Mandatory Environmental Service

[Thermodolia]

Picking up litter is just a very small thing. One that is actually quite important, especially if we deploy the new CCC into India and China

Would that be with or without waiting for those nations' governments to give approval first?

Well they can’t stop us if we are already there

[Kragholm Free States]

Would that be with or without waiting for those nations' governments to give approval first?

Well they can’t stop us if we are already there

China certainly would.

[Ifreann]

No it's not. Our lack of national holdings outside of this planet is a national security threat.

Which is pretty much never going to happen in time. So we need to focus on what we can do and what we can make a difference in instead of something that might not work or something that will work but we’ll all be dead before it does

So we're agreed, mandatory environmental service is out.

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Reinstate the draft. Everyone should go in for a year to be taught how to do first aid, exercise, safely handle firearms (how to check their chambers, unload them, lock them up, etcetera. Not shoot them accurately unless you want to learn it). How to drill, march, and work as a team. What it actually means to be tired, hungry, and cold. This could easily include environmental work.

How about fuck that, you go suffer if you want and you leave the rest of us alone.

[Thermodolia]

Which is pretty much never going to happen in time. So we need to focus on what we can do and what we can make a difference in instead of something that might not work or something that will work but we’ll all be dead before it does

So we're agreed, mandatory environmental service is out.

Um no. I’m not going to sit around and claim there’s nothing that can be done

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[Kragholm Free States]

So we're agreed, mandatory environmental service is out.

Um no. I’m not going to sit around and claim there’s nothing that can be done

No, you're just going to enslave everyone and accomplish absolutely nothing by doing so. Much better.

[Thermodolia]

Um no. I’m not going to sit around and claim there’s nothing that can be done

No, you're just going to enslave everyone and accomplish absolutely nothing by doing so. Much better.

Getting paid to do shit while serving your nation isn’t slavery. And I’ve already laid out what the new CCC would be doing

[Kragholm Free States]

No, you're just going to enslave everyone and accomplish absolutely nothing by doing so. Much better.

Getting paid to do shit while serving your nation isn’t slavery. And I’ve already laid out what the new CCC would be doing

I'd say forced labour with prison for any who refuse, which I believe is what you've advocated in this thread, is pretty damned close. And you haven't laid out what the new CCC would be doing, you've come up with some bullshit plan to ban all private sector environmental protection/conservation groups for some fucking reason and then have your CCC slaves somehow march into China and India and somehow operate unhindered by the Chinese or Indian governments.

[Thermodolia]

Getting paid to do shit while serving your nation isn’t slavery. And I’ve already laid out what the new CCC would be doing

I'd say forced labour with prison for any who refuse, which I believe is what you've advocated in this thread, is pretty damned close.

Conscription and getting paid to do it isn’t slavery.

And you haven't laid out what the new CCC would be doing, you've come up with some bullshit plan to ban all private sector environmental protection/conservation groups for some fucking reason and then have your CCC slaves somehow march into China and India and somehow operate unhindered by the Chinese or Indian governments.

The environment isn't going to be fixed by getting some young people to pick up litter. Real sysytematic change needs to take place and measures such as this are a side show to make people feel better about themselves.

Picking up litter is just a very small thing. One that is actually quite important, especially if we deploy the new CCC into India and China to help depollute their water ways which are the main cause of ocean pollution. At home the CCC could train and educate people in ways to reduce their environmental impact while also running recycling programs and drives across the nation.

This wouldn’t be the only things that would be happening as the state would also arrest those who are polluting the earth and Nationalize their Corporations if they have them.

Also working with the infrastructure rejuvenation corps and the military, the CCC could help construct nuclear power plants and other green energy plants across the US and the world

Please go ahead and read it. Because I know you haven’t. Also paying people to do shit isn’t slavery, they only have to been in for 2-3 years and then they can do anything they want.

[Kragholm Free States]

I'd say forced labour with prison for any who refuse, which I believe is what you've advocated in this thread, is pretty damned close.

Conscription and getting paid to do it isn’t slavery.

Debatable. If you go to prison for not doing it, it's certainly close. Doesn't matter if I was paying them £1,000,000 an hour, if I forced someone to labour or fight for me and locked them in a cage if they refused, I would be guilty of enslavement.

Picking up litter is just a very small thing. One that is actually quite important, especially if we deploy the new CCC into India and China to help depollute their water ways which are the main cause of ocean pollution.

You might be able to get away with that in India, but what happens when the Chinese government inevitably declares the CCC an attempt to usurp their sovereignty and starts arresting CCC personnel for operating in their territory?

At home the CCC could train and educate people in ways to reduce their environmental impact while also running recycling programs and drives across the nation.

As if there aren't already many many organisations doing just that. But oh no they're in the private sector so they must be banned because state good private sector evil.

This wouldn’t be the only things that would be happening as the state would also arrest those who are polluting the earth and Nationalize their Corporations if they have them.

You realise the state would have to arrest itself under that criterion, right? And it's a huge mistake to assume a nationalised corporation would pollute any less than a private one - all handing control over to an all-powerful state would do is reduce legal accountibility.

Also working with the infrastructure rejuvenation corps and the military, the CCC could help construct nuclear power plants and other green energy plants across the US and the world

At first glance that seemed relatively sensible, until I realised that you're suggesting relying on conscripts with very little proper training to build nuclear power plants across the world. I'm all for nuclear power plants, but they absolutely must be constructed and run by qualified nuclear engineers. Qualified nuclear engineers probably already have jobs in that field, either in the private sector or the state, so forcing them into your CCC is redundant and probably counterproductive.

[Ifreann]

So we're agreed, mandatory environmental service is out.

Um no. I’m not going to sit around and claim there’s nothing that can be done

Neither am I. But throwing labour at the problem isn't going to help.

[Fartsniffage]

Um no. I’m not going to sit around and claim there’s nothing that can be done

Neither am I. But throwing labour at the problem isn't going to help.

Like fuck am I giving up meat on Mondays.

[Galloism]

Neither am I. But throwing labour at the problem isn't going to help.

Like fuck am I giving up meat on Mondays.

Hear hear.

[Infected Mushroom]

So how do you stop this thing?

Renounce technology?

I'm not going to get behind that because I need my video games and shows.

Nuclear power is how you stop it.
But we would rather die of pollution than use the cleanest, safest form of power.

We deserve it TBH.
Thanks Greenpeace for destroying the environment.
My only consolation is I will see the anti nuclear environmentalists in Hell.

How can nuclear power solve the problem if we have a very limited supply of mineable uranium/plutonium etc?

[Ifreann]

Nuclear power is how you stop it.
But we would rather die of pollution than use the cleanest, safest form of power.

We deserve it TBH.
Thanks Greenpeace for destroying the environment.
My only consolation is I will see the anti nuclear environmentalists in Hell.

How can nuclear power solve the problem if we have a very limited supply of mineable uranium/plutonium etc?

Uranium and plutonium are extremely energy dense. There's as much energy in a kilo of uranium as there is in 3,000,000 kilos of coal.

[Thermodolia]

Neither am I. But throwing labour at the problem isn't going to help.

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Like fuck am I giving up meat on Mondays.

There’s always freshly sourced corporate overlords

[Thermodolia]

How can nuclear power solve the problem if we have a very limited supply of mineable uranium/plutonium etc?

Uranium and plutonium are extremely energy dense. There's as much energy in a kilo of uranium as there is in 3,000,000 kilos of coal.

Add in the possibility of Thorium and that shit nearly doubles

[Infected Mushroom]

How can nuclear power solve the problem if we have a very limited supply of mineable uranium/plutonium etc?

Uranium and plutonium are extremely energy dense. There's as much energy in a kilo of uranium as there is in 3,000,000 kilos of coal.

okay but will it not run out?

can you create it synthetically in reliable and sustainable amounts?

[Thermodolia]

Uranium and plutonium are extremely energy dense. There's as much energy in a kilo of uranium as there is in 3,000,000 kilos of coal.

okay but will it not run out?

can you create it synthetically in reliable and sustainable amounts?

Nuclear won’t run out for at least another 10,000 years

[Infected Mushroom]

okay but will it not run out?

can you create it synthetically in reliable and sustainable amounts?

Nuclear won’t run out for at least another 10,000 years

so is there a downside?

[Kragholm Free States]

Nuclear won’t run out for at least another 10,000 years

so is there a downside?

Other than people thinking it's scary, no.

Unfortunately, scared people are a rather influential force.

[The New California Republic]

How can nuclear power solve the problem if we have a very limited supply of mineable uranium/plutonium etc?

According to the NEA, identified uranium resources total 5.5 million metric tons, and an additional 10.5 million metric tons remain undiscovered—a roughly 230-year supply at today's consumption rate [...] fuel-recycling fast-breeder reactors, which generate more fuel than they consume, would use less than 1 percent of the uranium needed for current LWRs. Breeder reactors could match today's nuclear output for 30,000 years using only the NEA-estimated supplies.

https://www.scientificamerican.com/arti ... sits-last/

So with fast-breeder reactors we can have nuclear energy for 30,000 years, using just the uranium resources currently identified. I don't know about you, but 30,000 years worth of energy sounds like it'd solve the problem...

[Ifreann]

Uranium and plutonium are extremely energy dense. There's as much energy in a kilo of uranium as there is in 3,000,000 kilos of coal.

okay but will it not run out?

Yes, eventually. But it will take a very long time, and in the interim it doesn't poison the world quite so much. We'd have a very long time to improve existing technologies and to invent new ones or gain access to other sources of fuel.

can you create it synthetically in reliable and sustainable amounts?

No.

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Nuclear won’t run out for at least another 10,000 years

so is there a downside?

Nuclear waste is a problem, but not an unmanageable one. And any kind of power plant is, by its very nature, dangerous, but nuclear power plants are not anywhere near as dangerous as people sometimes imagine.

[The New California Republic]

so is there a downside?

Nuclear waste is a problem, but not an unmanageable one. And any kind of power plant is, by its very nature, dangerous, but nuclear power plants are not anywhere near as dangerous as people sometimes imagine.

As an aside I'm going on a tour inside the Chernobyl NPP next week.

[Ifreann]

Nuclear waste is a problem, but not an unmanageable one. And any kind of power plant is, by its very nature, dangerous, but nuclear power plants are not anywhere near as dangerous as people sometimes imagine.

As an aside I'm going on a tour inside the Chernobyl NPP next week.

Send us a postcard.

[The New California Republic]

As an aside I'm going on a tour inside the Chernobyl NPP next week.

Send us a postcard.

Attach it to a stick and you'll be able to use it as a reading lamp at night.