Mandatory Environmental Service

[Ifreann]

Em, no, that's not how nationalisation works.

Think of them like strikers, physically occupying the property. Obviously they’re not going to do all the paperwork.

I'd rather do the paperwork.

[New haven america]

Well, since you stole the question from Reddit, I'm gonna steal the gilded answer.

No, we shouldn't have a mandatory service, but instead provide a well funded service similar to the Civilian Conservation Corps, providing free room and board, college debt forgiveness or grants, and ~$1000-$2000 every month, with most of it going into savings or to home for family.

Now a similar system like this already exists, AmeriCorps NCCC, but it's not as well funded or as well known as it could be.

[Telconi]

Well, since you stole the question from Reddit, I'm gonna steal the gilded answer.

No, we shouldn't have a mandatory service, but instead provide a well funded service similar to the Civilian Conservation Corps, providing free room and board, and ~$1000-$2000 per month, with most of it going home to savings or family.

Now a similar system like this already exists, AmeriCorps NCCC, but it's not as well funded or as well known as it could be.

California has their own CCC as a state peogram.

[Major-Tom]

Perhaps incentivize it, as opposed to making it mandatory, that misses the mark.

[Infected Mushroom]

For me it depends on when this Doomsday happens.

If it will happen in my lifetime then I can maybe be convinced to support this (provided you can show it would avert the crisis).

It’s 100 plus years down the road then I’m going to oppose it.

I don’t want to be forced to do some environmental labour gig. I want freedom.

That’s where I’d honestly stand on this.

It'll happen in your lifetime but nothing you do individually will help.

Then Only if all nations do it

Otherwise, I oppose

I’m not going to do forced labour if India and China etc will shirk out

Everyone contribute, or we will all die and idc

[Ifreann]

It'll happen in your lifetime but nothing you do individually will help.

Then Only if all nations do it

Otherwise, I oppose

I’m not going to do forced labour if India and China etc will shirk out

Everyone contribute, or we will all die and idc

India and China adopting the same policy won't help either. Climate change isn't a matter of insufficient labour.

[Infected Mushroom]

Then Only if all nations do it

Otherwise, I oppose

I’m not going to do forced labour if India and China etc will shirk out

Everyone contribute, or we will all die and idc

India and China adopting the same policy won't help either. Climate change isn't a matter of insufficient labour.

What do you mean?

[Hladgos]

Honestly sounds like a cool deal. It’d still be a paid job like the military but for all the people don’t wanna get ripped and form terrible habits.
All for a mando year of service, you get to decide where ya want to go, and if you end up likin it, make a career out of it. Besides, frickin 18 year olds need to put some of that anxious energy somewhere.

[Liriena]

Mandatory environmental service instead of some stupid mandatory military service or mandatory internships in the private sector?

Well, Ostro, congrats on sharing with us the one instance of "government mandated work" that doesn't actually sound 100% horrible to my left libertarian ears.

[Krasny-Volny]

As someone who works in the environmental sector:

Most conservation corps are incredibly poorly managed. They're also not cost effective and survive only because the federal and state governments (largely through the AmeriCorps umbrella) give them massive subsidies. The only way they can compete with private contractors is because they leverage the subsidies and pay all their underqualified youth workers minimim wage or less.

Now you want to implement the conservation corps model on a nationwide scale, and magnify these problems a hundredfold? No thanks. The CCC era is long gone and it's impossible in this day and age to ever bring that back.

[Krasny-Volny]

Well, since you stole the question from Reddit, I'm gonna steal the gilded answer.

No, we shouldn't have a mandatory service, but instead provide a well funded service similar to the Civilian Conservation Corps, providing free room and board, college debt forgiveness or grants, and ~$1000-$2000 every month, with most of it going into savings or to home for family.

Now a similar system like this already exists, AmeriCorps NCCC, but it's not as well funded or as well known as it could be.

NCCC has nothing in common with the old CCC.

They do a ton of stuff, most of which has nothing to do with the environment. It includes some legitimate conservation work like culling invasive species or building trails, yes, but also data entry, teaching in undeveloped areas, building homes for poor communities, running soup kitchens, maintaining infrastructure, and disaster relief.

[Unia Ante]

Dumb idea imo. Also I do not believe the species is currently facing a crisis.

What do you mean? You don't believe in global warming?

[Infected Mushroom]

Dumb idea imo. Also I do not believe the species is currently facing a crisis.

What do you mean? You don't believe in global warming?

until and unless someone can tell me in very clear and absolute terms how we will no longer survive as a species, I'm hesitant to consider it a real threat

perhaps a few million people will suffer, but I believe humanity would adapt and survive right?

[New haven america]

Well, since you stole the question from Reddit, I'm gonna steal the gilded answer.

No, we shouldn't have a mandatory service, but instead provide a well funded service similar to the Civilian Conservation Corps, providing free room and board, college debt forgiveness or grants, and ~$1000-$2000 every month, with most of it going into savings or to home for family.

Now a similar system like this already exists, AmeriCorps NCCC, but it's not as well funded or as well known as it could be.

NCCC has nothing in common with the old CCC.

They do a ton of stuff, most of which has nothing to do with the environment. It includes some legitimate conservation work like culling invasive species or building trails, yes, but also data entry, teaching in undeveloped areas, building homes for poor communities, running soup kitchens, maintaining infrastructure, and disaster relief.

It was literally based on the CCC and the CCC was used as the organization's framework.

[Galloism]

What do you mean? You don't believe in global warming?

until and unless someone can tell me in very clear and absolute terms how we will no longer survive as a species, I'm hesitant to consider it a real threat

perhaps a few million people will suffer, but I believe humanity would adapt and survive right?

Probably. We're pretty hardy.

One of the hard things is going to be the reduction of landmass available for living. One of the things that happens with global warming is the extremes increase dramatically. The poles will be colder as the ocean currents slow down, and the equator will be hotter for the same reason.

Livable latitudes will drop dramatically, cramming humans into a smaller liveable space.

We'll survive, but we'll probably wind up killing a billion or two in the process.

[Infected Mushroom]

until and unless someone can tell me in very clear and absolute terms how we will no longer survive as a species, I'm hesitant to consider it a real threat

perhaps a few million people will suffer, but I believe humanity would adapt and survive right?

Probably. We're pretty hardy.

One of the hard things is going to be the reduction of landmass available for living. One of the things that happens with global warming is the extremes increase dramatically. The poles will be colder as the ocean currents slow down, and the equator will be hotter for the same reason.

Livable latitudes will drop dramatically, cramming humans into a smaller liveable space.

We'll survive, but we'll probably wind up killing a billion or two in the process.

since we'll survive in some form, I'm inclined to value/prioritize my own happiness and liberty over some duty to prevent global warming

[Galloism]

Probably. We're pretty hardy.

One of the hard things is going to be the reduction of landmass available for living. One of the things that happens with global warming is the extremes increase dramatically. The poles will be colder as the ocean currents slow down, and the equator will be hotter for the same reason.

Livable latitudes will drop dramatically, cramming humans into a smaller liveable space.

We'll survive, but we'll probably wind up killing a billion or two in the process.

since we'll survive in some form, I'm inclined to value/prioritize my own happiness and liberty over some duty to prevent global warming

Provided you're not in the billion or two that die, and since you're in Canada, the odds are definitely not in your favor.

[Infected Mushroom]

since we'll survive in some form, I'm inclined to value/prioritize my own happiness and liberty over some duty to prevent global warming

Provided you're not in the billion or two that die, and since you're in Canada, the odds are definitely not in your favor.

What about Hong Kong?

[Galloism]

Provided you're not in the billion or two that die, and since you're in Canada, the odds are definitely not in your favor.

What about Hong Kong?

Mostly going to drown. Some parts will be above water. Those will probably be too hot to live.

[Infected Mushroom]

What about Hong Kong?

Mostly going to drown. Some parts will be above water. Those will probably be too hot to live.

And Taiwan?

[Senkaku]

CCC GANG LET'S GET IT

[Galloism]

Mostly going to drown. Some parts will be above water. Those will probably be too hot to live.

And Taiwan?

Similar. More of Taiwan will be above water though.

[Infected Mushroom]

And Taiwan?

Similar. More of Taiwan will be above water though.

I see...

[Kowani]

Similar. More of Taiwan will be above water though.

I see...

As a general rule, most islands are fucked.

[Galloism]

Similar. More of Taiwan will be above water though.

I see...

Problem is both places are very low latitude - Taiwan at 23.7 degrees latitude, hong kong at 22.3 degrees latitude. That's going to be in the "hot zone". Taiwan has enough mountains there will be livable spots near the top, but it will be a relatively limited space.

In a hot earth, you'll need to move further north (or south, in the southern hemisphere). Mongolia. Oregon. Vermont. Germany. England.