Mandatory Environmental Service

[Novus America]

People doing national service get paid.

Or in the states add an incentive that for every year of national service you do a year of post secondary education gets paid for.

Basically making some thing like a GI bill for civilians then.
We already do this for military service.

[An Alan Smithee Nation]

I'm against mandatory service of any kind.

[Badb Catha]

Interesting idea. I do not disapprove, but perhaps a youth organization aimed at instilling environmentalist values would be better? This way they will learn at a younger and more impressionable age of the benefits for environmentalism and will carry on the knowledge and skills learned here into adulthood.

You can do both.

You can massively fund the BSA and GSA and make them into a state program by merging them with other youth organizations. Though I’d say that it shouldn’t be mandatory to join said organization under 18, doesn’t mean it shouldn’t be heavily promoted though

I was speaking more in a general sense than a purely American sense, but I agree all the same and applaud your initiative.

[Novitskaya]

Under my program you’ll have a choice of Military, Environmental, Civil, or Medical Service. Pick one or we’ll pick one for you. You will get paid and like the US military most things will be provided for you.

If you don’t you’ll be stripped of government benefits and thrown in prison

This is what I propose minus the prison.
Instead you get a big tax hike.
Or more technically those who compete it get a tax break.

I just generally don't think people should be forced to do anything, whether it is conscription, the environment, civil duties etc.

If we want to uphold fairness, Democracy, and freedom, we shouldn't force people to do services they possibly don't want to do.

Besides, what if lots of workers have low morale or training? If random people are just thrown at the environment/other things, that would not be good.

[Infected Mushroom]

For me it depends on when this Doomsday happens.

If it will happen in my lifetime then I can maybe be convinced to support this (provided you can show it would avert the crisis).

It’s 100 plus years down the road then I’m going to oppose it.

I don’t want to be forced to do some environmental labour gig. I want freedom.

That’s where I’d honestly stand on this.

Under my program you’ll have a choice of Military, Environmental, Civil, or Medical Service. Pick one or we’ll pick one for you. You will get paid and like the US military most things will be provided for you.

If you don’t you’ll be stripped of government benefits and thrown in prison

and how much would these positions pay?

does it come with a permanent job offer after?

[Novus America]

Interesting idea. I do not disapprove, but perhaps a youth organization aimed at instilling environmentalist values would be better? This way they will learn at a younger and more impressionable age of the benefits for environmentalism and will carry on the knowledge and skills learned here into adulthood.

We do need to convince kids nuclear is our savior not our enemy.
The solution is available and has been 70 years.
But we are too scared of it we would rather die of air pollution than be saved.
Maybe we deserve it TBH.

[The New California Republic]

It'd be an interesting option for conscientious objectors in lieu of compulsory military service (in countries that already have that of course).

[Novus America]

Under my program you’ll have a choice of Military, Environmental, Civil, or Medical Service. Pick one or we’ll pick one for you. You will get paid and like the US military most things will be provided for you.

If you don’t you’ll be stripped of government benefits and thrown in prison

and how much would these positions pay?

does it come with a permanent job offer after?

You could always reenlist if doing the military thing.
But sure, if the organization you are working for should have the ability to keep you on after your minimum service.

Job offer would not be guaranteed but they could keep you if you do a good job.

Pay would not be awesome, but enough to meet your basic needs.
Housing would be provide for those needing it as well.

[Thermodolia]

Under my program you’ll have a choice of Military, Environmental, Civil, or Medical Service. Pick one or we’ll pick one for you. You will get paid and like the US military most things will be provided for you.

If you don’t you’ll be stripped of government benefits and thrown in prison

and how much would these positions pay?

does it come with a permanent job offer after?

$20,000 base pay. Pay goes up from there.

No. But you could remain in the service you choose or where assigned too

[Old Tyrannia]

In principle, it's not a bad idea. In practice, I suspect the expense of paying those drafted into the service would prove prohibitive.

[Ethel mermania]

Or in the states add an incentive that for every year of national service you do a year of post secondary education gets paid for.

Basically making some thing like a GI bill for civilians then.
We already do this for military service.

Indeed.

[Liberal Thermidorian Reaction]

I'm against mandatory service of any kind.

This ^^

[Novitskaya]

I'm against mandatory service of any kind.

This ^^

Same.

[Ostroeuropa]

I'm against mandatory service of any kind.

This ^^

The Swiss allow men to opt out of military service in exchange for a lifetime 3% tax hike. We could do similar.

You can opt out of the service in exchange for higher taxes.

[Telconi]

This ^^

The Swiss allow men to opt out of military service in exchange for a lifetime 3% tax hike. We could do similar.

You can opt out of the service in exchange for higher taxes.

Or we could just not punish people for refusing to be punished.

[Purpelia]

Given that I am already categorically opposed to giving the state the right to force me to change my life style and habits for the purposes of saving the environment I obviously oppose this vehemently.

[Novus America]

This is what I propose minus the prison.
Instead you get a big tax hike.
Or more technically those who compete it get a tax break.

I just generally don't think people should be forced to do anything, whether it is conscription, the environment, civil duties etc.

If we want to uphold fairness, Democracy, and freedom, we shouldn't force people to do services they possibly don't want to do.

Besides, what if lots of workers have low morale or training? If random people are just thrown at the environment/other things, that would not be good.

Which is why it would be strongly encouraged (via tax breaks and government benefits), not forced.
And it would not be just throwing them at it.
People would be able to pick a certified job from a certified employer, generally only assigned one if they cannot find one. And assigned to a job best fitting them if assigned one.

[Ostroeuropa]

The Swiss allow men to opt out of military service in exchange for a lifetime 3% tax hike. We could do similar.

You can opt out of the service in exchange for higher taxes.

Or we could just not punish people for refusing to be punished.

It's not a punishment. It's an option.

People aren't "Punished" for not having children merely because a tax break exists if you do have them.

[Purpelia]

Or we could just not punish people for refusing to be punished.

It's not a punishment. It's an option.

People aren't "Punished" for not having children merely because a tax break exists if you do have them.

Actually that is exactly what they are. Tax breaks for anyone literally means that the rest of us have to be taxed more to make up for the difference.

[Telconi]

Or we could just not punish people for refusing to be punished.

It's not a punishment. It's an option.

People aren't "Punished" for not having children merely because a tax break exists if you do have them.

An option with penalties.

Nobody is assessed a childless tax.

[Thermodolia]

It's not a punishment. It's an option.

People aren't "Punished" for not having children merely because a tax break exists if you do have them.

An option with penalties.

Nobody is assessed a childless tax.

We probably should do that actually. Would help boost our numbers

[Ostroeuropa]

It's not a punishment. It's an option.

People aren't "Punished" for not having children merely because a tax break exists if you do have them.

An option with penalties.

Nobody is assessed a childless tax.

So do a general tax hike and then offer a tax break for signing up. Happy?

[Skyhooked]

An option with penalties.

Nobody is assessed a childless tax.

We probably should do that actually. Would help boost our numbers

From practical perspective it's all quantity over quality. There are many greedy people out there, who don't know shit about raising kids, so some may grow into totally spoiled brats, or even junkies and criminals. Child is not a hamster, and requires great responsibility and readiness to change the lifestyle. Better not tamper with that. Or tread carefully.

[Purpelia]

An option with penalties.

Nobody is assessed a childless tax.

So do a general tax hike and then offer a tax break for signing up. Happy?

That is literally no different. Stop trying to force environmentalism on people. That's the same strategy SJW use for their goals.

If you want people to follow you toward a goal lead them, don't force them through fear of penalty or taxation. For that is the way of tyrants.

[Infected Mushroom]

An option with penalties.

Nobody is assessed a childless tax.

So do a general tax hike and then offer a tax break for signing up. Happy?

...

This is actually incredibly devious. I'm impressed.