Mandatory Environmental Service

[Thermodolia]

Yeah, that may be awesome and such, but what to do with extended bureaucracy? And potentially surge in corruption.

What percentage of the medicare budget is spent on administration? Now look up the percentage that private insurance companies spend on administration.

You're welcome.

Nationalize all the healthcare companies!!

[Fartsniffage]

What percentage of the medicare budget is spent on administration? Now look up the percentage that private insurance companies spend on administration.

You're welcome.

Nationalize all the healthcare companies!!

Exactly. And fill them with national service medics.

[Kowani]

What percentage of the medicare budget is spent on administration? Now look up the percentage that private insurance companies spend on administration.

You're welcome.

Nationalize all the healthcare companies!!

Nationalize education while you’re at it. ‘Cause CollegeBoard had absolutely no idea what they’re doing.

[Thermodolia]

Nationalize all the healthcare companies!!

Nationalize education while you’re at it. ‘Cause CollegeBoard had absolutely no idea what they’re doing.

Nationalize all the things!!

[Skyhooked]

Nationalize education while you’re at it. ‘Cause CollegeBoard had absolutely no idea what they’re doing.

Nationalize all the things!!

Nationalize the nations!

[Fartsniffage]

Nationalize education while you’re at it. ‘Cause CollegeBoard had absolutely no idea what they’re doing.

Nationalize all the things!!

*gives you a mop to hold*

[Kowani]

Nationalize education while you’re at it. ‘Cause CollegeBoard had absolutely no idea what they’re doing.

Nationalize all the things!!

Nah. Leave porn out of government hands.

[The Emerald Legion]

Shamelessly stolen idea from reddit because I love it.

Mandatory military service is often discussed in terms of duty, national security, and so on. Given the current environmental crisis facing the species which Is likely to continue into the near future, would you support a mandatory environmentalism service, some term of service people are required to serve between the ages of 18 and say 30, or face penalties, until the crisis has passed.

The typical benefits of mandatory military service translate over here, it could serve as a means to instill national values, teach skills, discipline, team work and so on, allow large scale projects to be completed, and protects us from a species scale disaster.

Activities could include forestry, recycling, litter picking, renewables creation and installation, and so on. The usual drawbacks include conscientious objection, but for this project such an argument doesn't appear to hold up. Nor do the dangers of militarization of a nation and how it makes war more appealing, in fact, the culture it would instill in the public could generate something akin to Prussian militarism of an environmental style and dramatically alter a societies behavior. The only argument against mandatory military service which appears to translate is the standard liberty argument, which can surely only be viewed relative to the threat posed.

So, discuss I guess?

Liberty is never relative.

[Novus America]

We already have this actually to some degree. Two years honorable military service does get you citizenship.
But yes definitely should apply to the whole national service we would be creating.

Can you actually leave the US military honorably after only 2 years service?

Yes, two year enlistments do exist. Most are 4 year, but two and 6 year enlistments exist.
But you can get the citizenship before completing your full enlistment.
You do not have to be discharged to get citizenship from it of course.
After honorably serving two of four years you still get citizenship. Even if you have to complete two more, you will be a citizen while doing so.

[Kowani]

Nationalize all the things!!

Nationalize the nations!

Internationalize the nations!

[Novus America]

That would only slow the collapse of industrial society, so that's a no from me dawg

Not really. Sure making people do service too long would.
But two years national service would not.

[Fartsniffage]

Nationalize all the things!!

Nationalize the nations!

What did you find out when you looked up the administration costs of medicare versus private insurance?

[Bears Armed]

Throwing masses of unskilled (or poorly-trained) & probably poorly-motivated labour at the environment, especially if & when this involves moving large numbers of people from cities out into the countryside (where new facilities might need construction for housing & supporting them), might actually do more harm than good.

[Ostroeuropa]

Throwing masses of unskilled (or poorly-trained) & probably poorly-motivated labour at the environment, especially if & when this involves moving large numbers of people from cities out into the countryside (where new facilities might need construction for housing & supporting them), might actually do more harm than good.

Cities go undergo up-greening too and are arguably where most impact can be made. I talked previously about transforming urban environments with far more roof gardens and so on, as well as more greenery along the side of buildings, and this could facilitate that and its upkeep.

[Skyhooked]

Throwing masses of unskilled (or poorly-trained) & probably poorly-motivated labour at the environment, especially if & when this involves moving large numbers of people from cities out into the countryside (where new facilities might need construction for housing & supporting them), might actually do more harm than good.

Cities go undergo up-greening too and are arguably where most impact can be made. I talked previously about transforming urban environments with far more roof gardens and so on, as well as more greenery along the side of buildings, and this could facilitate that and its upkeep.

So basically, people won't have to go far away from homes and live in poorly built barracks.

[Infected Mushroom]

For me it depends on when this Doomsday happens.

If it will happen in my lifetime then I can maybe be convinced to support this (provided you can show it would avert the crisis).

It’s 100 plus years down the road then I’m going to oppose it.

I don’t want to be forced to do some environmental labour gig. I want freedom.

That’s where I’d honestly stand on this.

[Washington Resistance Army]

Mandatory service in general is something I'm becoming more and more fond of. Whether it be military, environmental, civic etc etc I feel like it could be a useful tool for being coming straight out of school.

[The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp]

Aslong as it pays then yes.


Better environnement, better employment rate.

[Thermodolia]

Throwing masses of unskilled (or poorly-trained) & probably poorly-motivated labour at the environment, especially if & when this involves moving large numbers of people from cities out into the countryside (where new facilities might need construction for housing & supporting them), might actually do more harm than good.

You do realize that you can train those who have no skills or are poorly trained? The National Service can do that. In 3 or 2 years you’ll have several highly trained individuals in all sorts of things

[Thermodolia]

For me it depends on when this Doomsday happens.

If it will happen in my lifetime then I can maybe be convinced to support this (provided you can show it would avert the crisis).

It’s 100 plus years down the road then I’m going to oppose it.

I don’t want to be forced to do some environmental labour gig. I want freedom.

That’s where I’d honestly stand on this.

Under my program you’ll have a choice of Military, Environmental, Civil, or Medical Service. Pick one or we’ll pick one for you. You will get paid and like the US military most things will be provided for you.

If you don’t you’ll be stripped of government benefits and thrown in prison

[Badb Catha]

Interesting idea. I do not disapprove, but perhaps a youth organization aimed at instilling environmentalist values would be better? This way they will learn at a younger and more impressionable age of the benefits for environmentalism and will carry on the knowledge and skills learned here into adulthood.

[Thermodolia]

Interesting idea. I do not disapprove, but perhaps a youth organization aimed at instilling environmentalist values would be better? This way they will learn at a younger and more impressionable age of the benefits for environmentalism and will carry on the knowledge and skills learned here into adulthood.

You can do both.

You can massively fund the BSA and GSA and make them into a state program by merging them with other youth organizations. Though I’d say that it shouldn’t be mandatory to join said organization under 18, doesn’t mean it shouldn’t be heavily promoted though

[Ethel mermania]

Mandatory national service, huh? More like lightly veiled attempt to make people do more things for free. Not too many people exactly love being forced to do things for free, so enviornmentalism can become even less popular than before.

Gotta add some pleasant carrot too, not only stick. Or folks may not care about quality and seek for every excuse to slack.

People doing national service get paid.

Or in the states add an incentive that for every year of national service you do a year of post secondary education gets paid for.

[Basaran]

Want to save and protect the planet?

ERASE HUMANITY

[Novus America]

For me it depends on when this Doomsday happens.

If it will happen in my lifetime then I can maybe be convinced to support this (provided you can show it would avert the crisis).

It’s 100 plus years down the road then I’m going to oppose it.

I don’t want to be forced to do some environmental labour gig. I want freedom.

That’s where I’d honestly stand on this.

Under my program you’ll have a choice of Military, Environmental, Civil, or Medical Service. Pick one or we’ll pick one for you. You will get paid and like the US military most things will be provided for you.

If you don’t you’ll be stripped of government benefits and thrown in prison

This is what I propose minus the prison.
Instead you get a big tax hike.
Or more technically those who compete it get a tax break.