by Ostroeuropa » Sat May 11, 2019 3:29 pm
by Czechoeuropa » Sat May 11, 2019 3:32 pm
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by Fartsniffage » Sat May 11, 2019 3:35 pm
by Ostroeuropa » Sat May 11, 2019 3:35 pm
Fartsniffage wrote:I know Denmark used to offer a choice if you were called for national service. The military or more social service. I guess this would fall under the latter for them.
by Ifreann » Sat May 11, 2019 3:37 pm
by Ostroeuropa » Sat May 11, 2019 3:38 pm
Ifreann wrote:Quite aside from everything else, by the time these Prussian environmentalist values had propagated through society there wouldn't be an environment left to protect, not without other drastic actions being taken first.
By way of comparison, imagine proposing reinstituting national service when an invading army is shelling your last free city.
by USS Monitor » Sat May 11, 2019 3:39 pm
by The Brytish Isles » Sat May 11, 2019 3:39 pm
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by Fartsniffage » Sat May 11, 2019 3:40 pm
Ifreann wrote:Quite aside from everything else, by the time these Prussian environmentalist values had propagated through society there wouldn't be an environment left to protect, not without other drastic actions being taken first.
By way of comparison, imagine proposing reinstituting national service when an invading army is shelling your last free city.
by Ifreann » Sat May 11, 2019 3:41 pm
Ostroeuropa wrote:Ifreann wrote:Quite aside from everything else, by the time these Prussian environmentalist values had propagated through society there wouldn't be an environment left to protect, not without other drastic actions being taken first.
By way of comparison, imagine proposing reinstituting national service when an invading army is shelling your last free city.
That sounds like a good time to admit the draft should have been done a while ago to me.
by Novus America » Sat May 11, 2019 3:45 pm
by Fartsniffage » Sat May 11, 2019 3:55 pm
Novus America wrote:Ostroeuropa wrote:
*shrug* that makes sense too.
At least for the US, mandatory military service for everyone would simply pull in far more people than they military could reasonably accommodate.
Or would want to, not everyone is suited for military service.
I am sure this would be the case for the UK as well.
But a national service, (I would not make it strictly mandatory per se, but you would have to complete it or lose access to most government benefits) would be good.
Some would go to do military service (those most motivated and qualified for it) but a revived CCC/CPS could be available as one of the alternative options.
Suitable environmental work should be included as an available path in a national service program.
Actually the US had something like this during WWII.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Civilian_Public_Service
by The Two Jerseys » Sat May 11, 2019 3:59 pm
by Novus America » Sat May 11, 2019 4:00 pm
Fartsniffage wrote:Novus America wrote:
At least for the US, mandatory military service for everyone would simply pull in far more people than they military could reasonably accommodate.
Or would want to, not everyone is suited for military service.
I am sure this would be the case for the UK as well.
But a national service, (I would not make it strictly mandatory per se, but you would have to complete it or lose access to most government benefits) would be good.
Some would go to do military service (those most motivated and qualified for it) but a revived CCC/CPS could be available as one of the alternative options.
Suitable environmental work should be included as an available path in a national service program.
Actually the US had something like this during WWII.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Civilian_Public_Service
Benefits like a passport. Otherwise you're just giving the rich an automatic out.
by Telconi » Sat May 11, 2019 4:00 pm
Ifreann wrote:Quite aside from everything else, by the time these Prussian environmentalist values had propagated through society there wouldn't be an environment left to protect, not without other drastic actions being taken first.
By way of comparison, imagine proposing reinstituting national service when an invading army is shelling your last free city.
by Novus America » Sat May 11, 2019 4:05 pm
The Two Jerseys wrote:Or we just reintroduce the draft and put the COs in this program.
by Skyhooked » Sat May 11, 2019 4:05 pm
by Fartsniffage » Sat May 11, 2019 4:09 pm
Skyhooked wrote:Mandatory national service, huh? More like lightly veiled attempt to make people do more things for free. Not too many people exactly love being forced to do things for free, so enviornmentalism can become even less popular than before.
Gotta add some pleasant carrot too, not only stick. Or folks may not care about quality and seek for every excuse to slack.
by Novus America » Sat May 11, 2019 4:11 pm
Skyhooked wrote:Mandatory national service, huh? More like lightly veiled attempt to make people do more things for free. Not too many people exactly love being forced to do things for free, so enviornmentalism can become even less popular than before.
Gotta add some pleasant carrot too, not only stick. Or folks may not care about quality and seek for every excuse to slack.
by Aeritai » Sat May 11, 2019 4:15 pm
by Skyhooked » Sat May 11, 2019 4:17 pm
Novus America wrote:Skyhooked wrote:Mandatory national service, huh? More like lightly veiled attempt to make people do more things for free. Not too many people exactly love being forced to do things for free, so enviornmentalism can become even less popular than before.
Gotta add some pleasant carrot too, not only stick. Or folks may not care about quality and seek for every excuse to slack.
Well again I would not make it strictly mandatory per se.
Just very beneficial to do so.
Also people should get paid a reasonable wage for it.
by Telconi » Sat May 11, 2019 4:18 pm
Fartsniffage wrote:Skyhooked wrote:Mandatory national service, huh? More like lightly veiled attempt to make people do more things for free. Not too many people exactly love being forced to do things for free, so enviornmentalism can become even less popular than before.
Gotta add some pleasant carrot too, not only stick. Or folks may not care about quality and seek for every excuse to slack.
People doing national service get paid.
by Fartsniffage » Sat May 11, 2019 4:26 pm
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