Funny how Identity politics end up harming the poor and working classes... it’s almost like Identity politics is an ideology that benefits only the elites...
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by West Leas Oros 2 » Wed May 22, 2019 7:09 am
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by Nakena » Wed May 22, 2019 7:11 am
West Leas Oros 2 wrote:Akrisen wrote:
The white elites will never accept that, only the white peasants can be forced to give up money to minorities.
Funny how Identity politics end up harming the poor and working classes... it’s almost like Identity politics is an ideology that benefits only the elites...
by The Xenopolis Confederation » Wed May 22, 2019 7:12 am
West Leas Oros 2 wrote:Akrisen wrote:
The white elites will never accept that, only the white peasants can be forced to give up money to minorities.
Funny how Identity politics end up harming the poor and working classes... it’s almost like Identity politics is an ideology that benefits only the elites...
by West Leas Oros 2 » Wed May 22, 2019 7:13 am
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by Nakena » Wed May 22, 2019 7:18 am
by West Leas Oros 2 » Wed May 22, 2019 7:19 am
Nakena wrote:West Leas Oros 2 wrote:What? I’m merely stating the ulterior motive of identity politics, that is to say, to hinder liberation.
Can't go against the left-liberal consensus.
Might be time for self-critique and a few more classes in cultural marxism.
Don't you know that standing up for blue class interests is by definition reactionary and that the urbanite hipsters are the new revolutionary avantgarde and that refugees etc. are the new proletariat?
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by Cappuccina » Wed May 22, 2019 12:08 pm
by West Leas Oros 2 » Wed May 22, 2019 12:10 pm
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by Cappuccina » Wed May 22, 2019 12:14 pm
by West Leas Oros 2 » Wed May 22, 2019 12:20 pm
Cappuccina wrote:West Leas Oros 2 wrote:Except that class identity doesn’t work the same as identity politics, and how does cultural identity matter?
Class identity is fluid and ultimately meaningless. (One can get richer or poorer, acquire means if product, and lose them). Culture changes but has continuity, something to ground oneself to.
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by Cappuccina » Wed May 22, 2019 12:29 pm
West Leas Oros 2 wrote:Cappuccina wrote:Class identity is fluid and ultimately meaningless. (One can get richer or poorer, acquire means if product, and lose them). Culture changes but has continuity, something to ground oneself to.
Sure, but that’s also a reason why class identity differs from other forms of identity, in that it’s fluid. Other identities are unchanging, and as a result can’t be a judge of character. One can examine how someone gained their class status, either through good or bad ways. Also, other identities aren’t inherently hierarchical, whereas class is a direct expression of one’s societal status.
by West Leas Oros 2 » Wed May 22, 2019 12:34 pm
Cappuccina wrote:West Leas Oros 2 wrote:Sure, but that’s also a reason why class identity differs from other forms of identity, in that it’s fluid. Other identities are unchanging, and as a result can’t be a judge of character. One can examine how someone gained their class status, either through good or bad ways. Also, other identities aren’t inherently hierarchical, whereas class is a direct expression of one’s societal status.
There's little point on having identification with a social status that is malleable and could be the results of various circumstances. You could be poor due to being bad with money, or to being exploited, you could be rich due to hard work or inheritance. Identity based on social status is flimsy and has no commonality other than being rich or poor.
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by LiberNovusAmericae » Sun Jun 02, 2019 1:21 pm
by Vassenor » Sun Jun 02, 2019 1:25 pm
by Des-Bal » Sun Jun 02, 2019 1:31 pm
Vassenor wrote:
Did I say that?
Cekoviu wrote:DES-BAL: Introverted, blunt, focused, utilitarian. Hard to read; not verbose online or likely in real life. Places little emphasis on interpersonal relationships, particularly with online strangers for whom the investment would outweigh the returns.
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Mindset: Logos
by Vassenor » Sun Jun 02, 2019 1:38 pm
by Ostroeuropa » Sun Jun 02, 2019 1:53 pm
by Des-Bal » Sun Jun 02, 2019 2:06 pm
Vassenor wrote:
Or you're shovelling words into my mouth in lieu of an actual argument.
Vassenor wrote:
Which depending on your point of view can be seen as backlash for how black Africans were treated under the old governments.
Cekoviu wrote:DES-BAL: Introverted, blunt, focused, utilitarian. Hard to read; not verbose online or likely in real life. Places little emphasis on interpersonal relationships, particularly with online strangers for whom the investment would outweigh the returns.
Desired perception: Logical, intellectual
Public perception: Neutral-positive - blunt, cold, logical, skilled at debating
Mindset: Logos
by Gormwood » Sun Jun 02, 2019 2:09 pm
Des-Bal wrote:Vassenor wrote:
Or you're shovelling words into my mouth in lieu of an actual argument.
Oh my mistake.Vassenor wrote:
Which depending on your point of view can be seen as backlash for how black Africans were treated under the old governments.
It looks like either you're saying something terrible or saying nothing. Explain why you made this statement.
by Vassenor » Sun Jun 02, 2019 2:11 pm
Des-Bal wrote:Vassenor wrote:
Or you're shovelling words into my mouth in lieu of an actual argument.
Oh my mistake.Vassenor wrote:
Which depending on your point of view can be seen as backlash for how black Africans were treated under the old governments.
It looks like either you're saying something terrible or saying nothing. Explain why you made this statement.
by Des-Bal » Sun Jun 02, 2019 2:11 pm
Gormwood wrote:Where did this custom of taking someone explaining a motive for an action as their explicit support of the action come from?
Cekoviu wrote:DES-BAL: Introverted, blunt, focused, utilitarian. Hard to read; not verbose online or likely in real life. Places little emphasis on interpersonal relationships, particularly with online strangers for whom the investment would outweigh the returns.
Desired perception: Logical, intellectual
Public perception: Neutral-positive - blunt, cold, logical, skilled at debating
Mindset: Logos
by Ostroeuropa » Sun Jun 02, 2019 2:12 pm
by -MAFDET- » Sun Jun 02, 2019 2:13 pm
by Des-Bal » Sun Jun 02, 2019 2:13 pm
Vassenor wrote:Explain how you got "I support this" from "some people think this".
Cekoviu wrote:DES-BAL: Introverted, blunt, focused, utilitarian. Hard to read; not verbose online or likely in real life. Places little emphasis on interpersonal relationships, particularly with online strangers for whom the investment would outweigh the returns.
Desired perception: Logical, intellectual
Public perception: Neutral-positive - blunt, cold, logical, skilled at debating
Mindset: Logos
by Ostroeuropa » Sun Jun 02, 2019 2:14 pm
-MAFDET- wrote:How fucking hilarious that the first people to respond to this drivel consists of a dude who literally identifies as a white nationalist in his signature and another guy with a crossed-off LGBTQ flag as his profile picture.
How disgusting.
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