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The Black Forrest wrote:

Washington Resistance Army wrote:
Not inherently. Though I'm pretty sure Spencer has called for "peaceful ethnic cleansing" in the past.

There is no such thing. You can't peacefully ethnic cleanse an area.

Tornado Queendom wrote:

The Black Forrest wrote:
There is no such thing. You can't peacefully ethnic cleanse an area.

I feel like there is, although it is one that you should NEVER EVER try at home: Deportation and forced emigration. Again, Do NOT try this at home.

Tornado Queendom wrote:

The Black Forrest wrote:
There is no such thing. You can't peacefully ethnic cleanse an area.

I feel like there is, although it is one that you should NEVER EVER try at home: Deportation and forced emigration. Again, Do NOT try this at home.

Freaneet wrote:I have too much privilege and I don't like that. Down with white privilege.

The Xenopolis Confederation wrote:

Freaneet wrote:I have too much privilege and I don't like that. Down with white privilege.

What privilege do you have?

Freaneet wrote:

The Xenopolis Confederation wrote:What privilege do you have?

I am white

The Xenopolis Confederation wrote:

Freaneet wrote:
I am white

What unfair and unearned advantages do you feel were conferred upon you personally by virtue of being white?

Cappuccina wrote:

West Leas Oros 2 wrote:I don't think being identitarian or nationalist is any better. Identity politics is a cancer, and like any cancer, must be removed. Nazis especially can fuck off.

Socialism is also a form of identity politics.....

The only difference is the worth of said "identity" to social order.

Freaneet wrote:

The Xenopolis Confederation wrote:What privilege do you have?

I am white

West Leas Oros 2 wrote:

Cappuccina wrote:Socialism is also a form of identity politics.....

The only difference is the worth of said "identity" to social order.

Except that class isn't an "identity" in the same vein as identity politics. Class is by it's very nature, a hierarchical structure that is based in material conditions and can be changed much more easily than identity. Not to mention, socialism isn't simply about one class, but about abolishing the class system altogether. Identity politics has no such ideas of eliminating identity as a system.

Freaneet wrote:

The Xenopolis Confederation wrote:What privilege do you have?

I am white

LiberNovusAmericae wrote:

Freaneet wrote:
I am white

Oh great, now we have a tankie meeting intersectonality and merging.

Kustonia wrote:

Liriena wrote:Meanwhile, neo-nazis are shooting people and calling for an ethnic cleansing of the United States.

Neo-Nazis have't been calling for an ethnic cleansing. In fact, they're fighting for their free speech rights.

Nova Cyberia wrote:

Tornado Queendom wrote:I feel like there is, although it is one that you should NEVER EVER try at home: Deportation and forced emigration. Again, Do NOT try this at home.

>forced emigration

Doesn't sound peaceful.

Vassenor wrote:

Kustonia wrote:
Neo-Nazis have't been calling for an ethnic cleansing. In fact, they're fighting for their free speech rights. There are very few Neo-Nazis around anymore. The people you consider to be Neo-Nazi are not acutally Neo-Nazi, but are nationalist and identitarian. You're just fear mongering to get people to listen to you. I can tell you that it's not working based on the poll data.

So when Richard Spencer calls for a White Ethnostate, that's not calling for Ethnic cleansing?

Crockerland wrote:

Liriena wrote:While the Black Hebrew Israelites are definitely dickheads, "some of the most racist people around"? The worst Black Hebrew Israelites have done recently is shout stupid shit. Meanwhile, neo-nazis are shooting people and calling for an ethnic cleansing of the United States.

White people calling for extermination of black people: They're CALLING FOR AN ETHNIC CLEANSING!!!
Black people calling for extermination of white people: Ah they're just saying stupid shit don't worry about it

https://www.splcenter.org/fighting-hate/intelligence-report/2017/return-violent-black-nationalist
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2016_shooting_of_Baton_Rouge_police_officers
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2016_shooting_of_Dallas_police_officers#Motive

Ostroeuropa wrote:

Liriena wrote:I tend to think of you and your politics as a very peculiar case, tbh, but I do appreciate your insight here.

Would you say that more openness to MRA activism within the left and a more critical left-wing attitude towards the consequences of institutionalized feminism would change your mind to some extent or at least encourage a return to solidarity?


I think you do have a point here, but I wouldn't necessarily extend it as far as saying it's the only major factor behind the rise of the far right. A lot of the young white men who are part of the far right today aren't of a disenfranchized working class background, but from a rather upper or upper middle class one. They are people who never had any sympathy for anything remotely close to left-wing ideals or the disenfranchised.

Yeah definitely, and where I can I try and push things that direction.
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I dunno about that. Politics in general tends toward representing those groups and they tend to be the most active. The working classes are disengaged in part because of this phenomanae, but when you offer them stuff like Brexit they turn out to vote. Likewise you've got street activism and a sense that voting is pointless. Think less in terms of who votes, and more in terms of who shares facebook memes.

The working classes aren't sharing feminist memes, that's for sure. They're sharing pro-white memes.

Liriena wrote:

Kustonia wrote:
Neo-Nazis have't been calling for an ethnic cleansing. In fact, they're fighting for their free speech rights.

Neo-nazis don't have any "free speech rights" other than the right to get dunked on.

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The Xenopolis Confederation wrote:

Liriena wrote:Neo-nazis don't have any "free speech rights" other than the right to get dunked on.

changemymind.jpg

In order for me to change your mind, I need you to provide an argument as to why you hold that position. I don't care if the changemymind.jpg was a joke, I am going to change your mind.

Liriena wrote:

The Xenopolis Confederation wrote:In order for me to change your mind, I need you to provide an argument as to why you hold that position. I don't care if the changemymind.jpg was a joke, I am going to change your mind.

What if I just pull a Shapiro and repeat the word "science" with a nasal pitch and at a rapid pace until you give up?

Kustonia wrote:Neo-Nazis have't been calling for an ethnic cleansing. In fact, they're fighting for their free speech rights.

LiberNovusAmericae wrote:

Kustonia wrote:Neo-Nazis have't been calling for an ethnic cleansing. In fact, they're fighting for their free speech rights.

Nazis remind me of tankies, as they demand free speech rights for themselves, before taking it away from everyone else.

Liriena wrote:

LiberNovusAmericae wrote:Nazis remind me of tankies, as they demand free speech rights for themselves, before taking it away from everyone else.

Yeah, that's pretty much it. When pressed on it, neo-nazis and the like are actually quite open about it too: for them, being part of a "free speech" crusade is just a political recruitment tool, not something they do out of a principled commitment to political freedom.

They also say that "traps" are gay and that there would be none in their white ethno-state.

The Xenopolis Confederation wrote:

Liriena wrote:Yeah, that's pretty much it. When pressed on it, neo-nazis and the like are actually quite open about it too: for them, being part of a "free speech" crusade is just a political recruitment tool, not something they do out of a principled commitment to political freedom.

They also say that "traps" are gay and that there would be none in their white ethno-state.

It's super disgusting to be honest (the use and discard attitude Nazis have toward free speech, not the use and discard attitude Nazis have toward... traps). It's like they're proud of their hypocrisy.