Learning about white privilege is anti-white, studies prove

[Kowani]

I’m gonna argue in good faith and assume for the sake of discussion that that’s gernally what is meant by those arguing that white privilege is a meaningful concept.

By fucking god is the term “white privilege” a really bad way of framing that concept. It seems particularly geared to make discussion of itself as needlessly difficult and unhelpful as possible.

Yeah, that’s definitely true. It’s why I say that we should use a different term.

[Country of CityTowne]

Not my place to say because I'm "a WhITE mALe (male at birth, anyhow) aND tHEREfORe anYtHINg i sAY Is WRonG!1!" as the feminists and other supremacist groups out there'd say, but the whole "white privilege" is honestly fucking stupid. If an entire group of people is consistently advantaged for centuries, that is privilege of that group, but just like with all things, times change. An average white middle-class no-history-beyond-this-point Brit in London receives similar opportunities as an average middle-class no-history-beyond-this-point Londoner of colour, if not the same. An average middle-class middle-class no-history-beyond-this-point female American receives similar opportunities as an average middle-class no-history-beyond-this-point male American, if not more. That is not to say that certain people are more disadvantaged or that certain groups of people are more likely to be disadvantaged, but that it's a relative thing.

Anybody who thinks that a poor kid in a richer country gets more choices than a rich kid in a poorer country without knowing all the facts is stupid at best.

It's all about the intricacies, the fine details. Making assumptions about someone just off of gender, sex, race, ethnicity, national origin, species, or any of that meaningless stuff is just plain pointless because there are always people to prove you wrong (par the last one but it was me trying to crack a joke for once) and there will always be people to prove you right. Saying that "ALL X are Y" or "NO X are Y" is plain incorrect unless it's something like "all people deserve equality" or emotional/plain rhetorical/obvious stuff along those lines.

...And I've no idea as to where this is going.

TLDR; weird person rants about opinions.

[Ors Might]

I’m gonna argue in good faith and assume for the sake of discussion that that’s gernally what is meant by those arguing that white privilege is a meaningful concept.

By fucking god is the term “white privilege” a really bad way of framing that concept. It seems particularly geared to make discussion of itself as needlessly difficult and unhelpful as possible.

Yeah, that’s definitely true. It’s why I say that we should use a different term.

I mean, one could just use the phrase “cultural racism” and cover roughly the same amount of ground and arguably do a better job of it. Framing what is ostensibly basic human decency as a privilege has its own bag of issues to unpack.

[Galloism]

Well, from the results of the study, it would appear that white privilege is mainly a way to cause the rise of white identity politics. Which is probably not a good thing.

Last time we had white identity politics become a major thing, Europe took a major hit.

Yes, this is partially the cause of bad communication on the part of the progressives, alt-lite/alt-right pundits deliberately misrepresenting the entire point of the argument, and just bad nomenclature. I would prefer to call it minority disadvantage, if only to avoid the backlash and connotations associated with the word privilege, but I also don’t believe that semantics are of utmost importance in comparison to the actual issue.

Well, a lot of things we use nomenclature to avoid viscreal reactions.

I used to police an area of Orlando that was.... a little rough. Gangs were rampant, and the neighborhood was mostly black. In fact, boys (especially, although girls to to an extent) are told that they will never be good enough for white folks and that it's worthless to even try, and only their brothers (by this, they mean black gang members) would ever truly understand and accept them, but only if they join the gang and act like them.

Now, if I had talked to these boys about getting rid of their toxic blackness, I don't think I would have gotten very far with them. Why?

What you call semantics actually matters - you can't open a conversation by insulting the person you're trying to talk to, and that's what this appears to do.

[Kowani]

Yeah, that’s definitely true. It’s why I say that we should use a different term.

I mean, one could just use the phrase “cultural racism” and cover roughly the same amount of ground and arguably do a better job of it. Framing what is ostensibly basic human decency as a privilege has its own bag of issues to unpack.

Fair.

Yes, this is partially the cause of bad communication on the part of the progressives, alt-lite/alt-right pundits deliberately misrepresenting the entire point of the argument, and just bad nomenclature. I would prefer to call it minority disadvantage, if only to avoid the backlash and connotations associated with the word privilege, but I also don’t believe that semantics are of utmost importance in comparison to the actual issue.

Well, a lot of things we use nomenclature to avoid viscreal reactions.

I used to police an area of Orlando that was.... a little rough. Gangs were rampant, and the neighborhood was mostly black. In fact, boys (especially, although girls to to an extent) are told that they will never be good enough for white folks and that it's worthless to even try, and only their brothers (by this, they mean black gang members) would ever truly understand and accept them, but only if they join the gang and act like them.

Now, if I had talked to these boys about getting rid of their toxic blackness, I don't think I would have gotten very far with them. Why?

What you call semantics actually matters - you can't open a conversation by insulting the person you're trying to talk to, and that's what this appears to do.

Okay, that’s fair.

[Liriena]

Not my place to say because I'm "a WhITE mALe (male at birth, anyhow) aND tHEREfORe anYtHINg i sAY Is WRonG!1!" as the feminists and other supremacist groups out there'd say, but the whole "white privilege" is honestly fucking stupid. If an entire group of people is consistently advantaged for centuries, that is privilege of that group, but just like with all things, times change. An average white middle-class no-history-beyond-this-point Brit in London receives similar opportunities as an average middle-class no-history-beyond-this-point Londoner of colour, if not the same. An average middle-class middle-class no-history-beyond-this-point female American receives similar opportunities as an average middle-class no-history-beyond-this-point male American, if not more. That is not to say that certain people are more disadvantaged or that certain groups of people are more likely to be disadvantaged, but that it's a relative thing.

Anybody who thinks that a poor kid in a richer country gets more choices than a rich kid in a poorer country without knowing all the facts is stupid at best.

It's all about the intricacies, the fine details. Making assumptions about someone just off of gender, sex, race, ethnicity, national origin, species, or any of that meaningless stuff is just plain pointless because there are always people to prove you wrong (par the last one but it was me trying to crack a joke for once) and there will always be people to prove you right. Saying that "ALL X are Y" or "NO X are Y" is plain incorrect unless it's something like "all people deserve equality" or emotional/plain rhetorical/obvious stuff along those lines.

...And I've no idea as to where this is going.

TLDR; weird person rants about opinions.

I think you just independently discovered intersectionality... but, like, for the wrong reason.

[Country of CityTowne]

Not my place to say because I'm "a WhITE mALe (male at birth, anyhow) aND tHEREfORe anYtHINg i sAY Is WRonG!1!" as the feminists and other supremacist groups out there'd say, but the whole "white privilege" is honestly fucking stupid. If an entire group of people is consistently advantaged for centuries, that is privilege of that group, but just like with all things, times change. An average white middle-class no-history-beyond-this-point Brit in London receives similar opportunities as an average middle-class no-history-beyond-this-point Londoner of colour, if not the same. An average middle-class middle-class no-history-beyond-this-point female American receives similar opportunities as an average middle-class no-history-beyond-this-point male American, if not more. That is not to say that certain people are more disadvantaged or that certain groups of people are more likely to be disadvantaged, but that it's a relative thing.

Anybody who thinks that a poor kid in a richer country gets more choices than a rich kid in a poorer country without knowing all the facts is stupid at best.

It's all about the intricacies, the fine details. Making assumptions about someone just off of gender, sex, race, ethnicity, national origin, species, or any of that meaningless stuff is just plain pointless because there are always people to prove you wrong (par the last one but it was me trying to crack a joke for once) and there will always be people to prove you right. Saying that "ALL X are Y" or "NO X are Y" is plain incorrect unless it's something like "all people deserve equality" or emotional/plain rhetorical/obvious stuff along those lines.

...And I've no idea as to where this is going.

TLDR; weird person rants about opinions.

I think you just independently discovered intersectionality... but, like, for the wrong reason.

I've no idea as to how to react to that.

[Tres Fleures]

I'm not sure what "white priveledge" even refers to, but people seem to think it means all white people get a free pass in life. I'm pretty sure that isn't true. I can pass for white, but that seems to bring me fewer priviledges, not more.

[Ors Might]

Not my place to say because I'm "a WhITE mALe (male at birth, anyhow) aND tHEREfORe anYtHINg i sAY Is WRonG!1!" as the feminists and other supremacist groups out there'd say, but the whole "white privilege" is honestly fucking stupid. If an entire group of people is consistently advantaged for centuries, that is privilege of that group, but just like with all things, times change. An average white middle-class no-history-beyond-this-point Brit in London receives similar opportunities as an average middle-class no-history-beyond-this-point Londoner of colour, if not the same. An average middle-class middle-class no-history-beyond-this-point female American receives similar opportunities as an average middle-class no-history-beyond-this-point male American, if not more. That is not to say that certain people are more disadvantaged or that certain groups of people are more likely to be disadvantaged, but that it's a relative thing.

Anybody who thinks that a poor kid in a richer country gets more choices than a rich kid in a poorer country without knowing all the facts is stupid at best.

It's all about the intricacies, the fine details. Making assumptions about someone just off of gender, sex, race, ethnicity, national origin, species, or any of that meaningless stuff is just plain pointless because there are always people to prove you wrong (par the last one but it was me trying to crack a joke for once) and there will always be people to prove you right. Saying that "ALL X are Y" or "NO X are Y" is plain incorrect unless it's something like "all people deserve equality" or emotional/plain rhetorical/obvious stuff along those lines.

...And I've no idea as to where this is going.

TLDR; weird person rants about opinions.

I think you just independently discovered intersectionality... but, like, for the wrong reason.

I think that might have more to do with how shitty “white privilege” is as a term to describe this crap than it does anything else.

[The Liamese Empire]

White privilege is a Cultural Marxist plot to divide and conquer America by making us believe that we are all a part of a group that is decided by physical characteristics and not individuals so of course demonizing "the white man" will make you lose sympathy for him even when he goes through the exact same scenario as another person with the only thing differentiating the two is their race.

[Kowani]

White privilege is a Cultural Marxist plot to divide and conquer America by making us believe that we are all a part of a group that is decided by physical characteristics and not individuals so of course demonizing "the white man" will make you lose sympathy for him even when he goes through the exact same scenario as another person with the only thing differentiating the two is their race.

Y’know, I thought people thinking that everything was a communist ploy was something from the 50’s

[Gormwood]

White privilege is a Cultural Marxist plot to divide and conquer America by making us believe that we are all a part of a group that is decided by physical characteristics and not individuals so of course demonizing "the white man" will make you lose sympathy for him even when he goes through the exact same scenario as another person with the only thing differentiating the two is their race.

Y’know, I thought people thinking that everything was a communist ploy was something from the 50’s

That's what happens when you drink fluoridated water.

[Liriena]

White privilege is a Cultural Marxist plot to divide and conquer America by making us believe that we are all a part of a group that is decided by physical characteristics and not individuals so of course demonizing "the white man" will make you lose sympathy for him even when he goes through the exact same scenario as another person with the only thing differentiating the two is their race.

A word of advice: it's probably bad praxis to start your argument off with an old, rebranded anti-semitic conspiracy theory.

[Liriena]

Y’know, I thought people thinking that everything was a communist ploy was something from the 50’s

That's what happens when you drink fluoridated water.

My precious bodily fluids ;_;

[Cameroi]

"white" as in human biology, is a genetic mutation that has existed for less then 3,000 years,
possibly less then 2,000, and will be a thing of the forgotten past in less then another 1,000.

human privilege is not a real thing beyond earth's solar system.

imagination is not what growing up is about leaving behind,
imagining yourself to be the center of the universe is.

all humans need to grow up,
especially those who call themselves 'white' and think that's supposed to make them some kind of a big deal.

yes my ancestors came mostly by way of europe, and are of pale skin and fine features.
but i call us what we are, living in the u.s., euro-americans, hyphinated just like afro-americans and asian-americans.

the only legitimately non-hyphinated person, is one who's ancestors are indiginous to where ever they happen to be.

so lets just forget about all this white fascist explative.
the only living white things are polar bears, ermines and similar creatures, with white fur or feathers.

as for the poll; where's the "meh" option?
learning about anything, isn't anti-anything,

if anything, it is selectively witholding any sort of potentially useful knowledge,
that is inheriently dishonest.

[Mycollis]

White privilege is a Cultural Marxist plot to divide and conquer America by making us believe that we are all a part of a group that is decided by physical characteristics and not individuals so of course demonizing "the white man" will make you lose sympathy for him even when he goes through the exact same scenario as another person with the only thing differentiating the two is their race.

A word of advice: it's probably bad praxis to start your argument off with an old, rebranded anti-semitic conspiracy theory.

"Muh Anti-Semitic Conspiracy theory!"

>implying it's false....

[Liriena]

A word of advice: it's probably bad praxis to start your argument off with an old, rebranded anti-semitic conspiracy theory.

"Muh Anti-Semitic Conspiracy theory!"

>implying it's false....

Great way to start off your NS career, fren.

[Vassenor]

A word of advice: it's probably bad praxis to start your argument off with an old, rebranded anti-semitic conspiracy theory.

"Muh Anti-Semitic Conspiracy theory!"

>implying it's false....

Get the beach towels. NS Summer has arrived.

[Liriena]

"Muh Anti-Semitic Conspiracy theory!"

>implying it's false....

Get the beach towels. NS Summer has arrived.

But I don't have my bikini bod yet! :c

[Neanderthaland]

"Muh Anti-Semitic Conspiracy theory!"

>implying it's false....

Get the beach towels. NS Summer has arrived.

What SPF do you need to protect against Nazism?

[An Alan Smithee Nation]

Get the beach towels. NS Summer has arrived.

What SPF do you need to protect against Nazism?

88

[Slongs]

Get the beach towels. NS Summer has arrived.

What SPF do you need to protect against Nazism?

-1

[Ostroeuropa]

White privilege is a Cultural Marxist plot to divide and conquer America by making us believe that we are all a part of a group that is decided by physical characteristics and not individuals so of course demonizing "the white man" will make you lose sympathy for him even when he goes through the exact same scenario as another person with the only thing differentiating the two is their race.

A word of advice: it's probably bad praxis to start your argument off with an old, rebranded anti-semitic conspiracy theory.

You can also use this logic to pretend the finance system has no influence in politics.
"Just a rebranded anti-semitic meme.", as though that's a functional rebuttal.

[Ors Might]

What SPF do you need to protect against Nazism?

88

I confess, I chuckled.

[Kowani]

A word of advice: it's probably bad praxis to start your argument off with an old, rebranded anti-semitic conspiracy theory.

You can also use this logic to pretend the finance system has no influence in politics.
"Just a rebranded anti-semitic meme.", as though that's a functional rebuttal.

Not really equivalent, but sure.