Learning about white privilege is anti-white, studies prove

[The Black Forrest]

So when Richard Spencer calls for a White Ethnostate, that's not calling for Ethnic cleansing?

Not inherently. Though I'm pretty sure Spencer has called for "peaceful ethnic cleansing" in the past.

There is no such thing. You can't peacefully ethnic cleanse an area.

[Washington Resistance Army]

Not inherently. Though I'm pretty sure Spencer has called for "peaceful ethnic cleansing" in the past.

There is no such thing. You can't peacefully ethnic cleanse an area.

Not in his mind lol

[Gormwood]

Not inherently. Though I'm pretty sure Spencer has called for "peaceful ethnic cleansing" in the past.

There is no such thing. You can't peacefully ethnic cleanse an area.

Milosevic Did Nothing Wrong. /s

[Tahar Joblis]

How do we know this?

This is a serious question. I expect that on the balance whites are better off than blacks when it comes to the discrimination game in America (the criminal justice system comes to mind), but right now, trying to meaningfully quantify discrimination that isn't favorable to whites is ... perhaps I shouldn't say "strictly verboten," but a sensitive topic at best in the social sciences. And a lot of the attempts to quantify discrimination involve terribly bad methodology, which means that different studies end up with very different conclusions.

We really don't know much, because it's hard to know what's really going on and politics (as always) figures heavily in determining what research is supported.

For example, as I noted, it's quite striking with respect to the literature on discrimination that in this study, poor blacks were overall viewed as more sympathetic figures than poor whites (in particular, by conservatives who hadn't had a white privilege lesson, and by liberals who'd had one). If the news coverage of the study in the OP led with that result (which is probably no less rigorously established by the study than the result used in the actual headlines) it would be a very different story (and, for that matter, might have made the study harder to publish & less likely to get news coverage).

I'm really curious what their respondent race tabs are, because that might turn out to entirely explain things.

Either way, it's pretty hard to actually get at what's happening on the ground as a matter of current events.

The biggest body what's usually called obvious evidence of institutional racism (differential outcomes due to presumably pervasive effects) has to do with effects that aren't dependent on discrimination happening today. Socioeconomic status is very sticky from generation to generation when we look at the big picture. Even looking more narrowly, you'll note that even the more conservative estimates are that wealth lasts 3-5 generations before dissipating. That's close to a century ago!

For a pointed example of that, many members of the planter class took massive financial losses related to the Civil War, either in terms of direct damage from being in the path of an army or because slaves were emancipated. However, many money-poor but well-educated and well-bred sons and daughters of the freshly-ruined planters were able to marry back into wealth.

I provided about 5 studies earlier dealing with some of the issues and attempts to quantify them.
Are they perfect, and universal? Probably not. But as a general idea, they work pretty well.

1 2 34 5

Here, I’ll link ‘em again.

Study 1 (actual link to study 1): The resume shows an educational record & experience record that would be very unusual (exceptional) for a black male job applicant. No control case for a white applicant. No indication if the resume submission process still included "optional" marking by race; if the "whitened" black resume is not actually indistinguishable, study lacks control case that would have been easy ("white" resume). There are a lot of limitations here.

Study 2: This marks an increase in disciplinary actions overall as well as disciplinary actions against black students. In relative terms, the latter increase is small. There's no reason to be confident that this isn't linked to a shift in behavior or SES. Notably, wealth and income gaps between upper and lower class have widened and social mobility is low.

"Study" 3: Not a study.

Study 4 (actual link): This is one of the interesting cases where removing the opportunity for face to face discrimination changes some differences in outcomes, but not all, because it turns out that profit-maximizing algorithms end up treating blacks and whites differently based on markers like education etc. Is this institutional discrimination on the basis of race - or on the basis of existing socioeconomic stratification, which aligns significantly with race?

Study 5: This one is interesting and suggestive but still gives only a weak measure of institutional discrimination. If you sift through what's going on, you can see that most of the aggregate inferred search threshold difference for black motorists is driven by a relatively small number of areas, for example - and the base rates for stopping and searching can be explained mostly by higher hit rate. Are police officers responding to drivers being black, or are black drivers more likely to act suspiciously in other ways? This is a problem that we can't easily solve, because we have almost no systematically coded data aside from that provided by police officers, who are hardly objective alternates to their own perspectives.

The criminal justice system differences are huge. That said, on the front line of law enforcement, results like this are sort of typical: You see a clear difference in treatment, but if you start conditioning the difference in treatment on apparent suspect behavior (e.g., having marijuana that gets found in a search) the differences get murkier - which speaks to the issue of differential treatment by algorithm in Study 4.

When discrimination is statistically rational, it becomes almost impossible to distinguish between discrimination based on race and discrimination based on rational factors that happen to correlate with race. You have to run a study where you can literally just control the variable of race (studies sort of like the audit study of Study 1, only actually comparing black vs white applicants with otherwise identical traits).

And what happens if you find the wrong effect or no effect? Those studies often get file-drawered.

[Tornado Queendom]

This study is correct. Really, really correct. Not only is the white race not any more privileged than the Jewish race (I could've used the ominous triple parentheses, but it's not a good idea on a site like this where it's basically insta-ban material.), for example, but they also get discriminated like other races do. I think there's even the early stages of a genocide in South Africa, as proven by GenocideWatch. However, I'd take that theory with a grain of salt.

[Kustonia]

Neo-Nazis have't been calling for an ethnic cleansing. In fact, they're fighting for their free speech rights. There are very few Neo-Nazis around anymore. The people you consider to be Neo-Nazi are not acutally Neo-Nazi, but are nationalist and identitarian. You're just fear mongering to get people to listen to you. I can tell you that it's not working based on the poll data.

Identitarians with very few exceptions are Nazis, just re-branded in the hope that it will become mainstream.

Y'know the thing I don't get?

They were caught on video chanting "You will not replace us." Unless a lot of Southerners suddenly spontaneously developed comedic German accents... It's really fucking impossible to hear it any other way.

Yet people keep insisting it was Jews. I wonder why that is?

They said both slogans. They said "You will not replace us" and they also said "Jews will not replace us." There is no way to deny their racism and anti-antisemitism.

---

Now I think we should get off this. The Neo-Nazis have little to do with the bullshit being spewed from many on the Left, which is what this thread is about.

Identitarians aren't Neo-Nazi at all. You're fear mongering again.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nouvelle_Droite
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Les_Identitaires
https://www.generation-identity.org.uk/
https://www.identityevropa.com

Also, just because you oppose Jewish finance and international capital doesn't mean you're anti-Semitic.

[Scomagia]

Identitarians with very few exceptions are Nazis, just re-branded in the hope that it will become mainstream.



They said both slogans. They said "You will not replace us" and they also said "Jews will not replace us." There is no way to deny their racism and anti-antisemitism.

---

Now I think we should get off this. The Neo-Nazis have little to do with the bullshit being spewed from many on the Left, which is what this thread is about.

Identitarians aren't Neo-Nazi at all. You're fear mongering again.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nouvelle_Droite
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Les_Identitaires
https://www.generation-identity.org.uk/
https://www.identityevropa.com

Also, just because you oppose Jewish finance and international capital doesn't mean you're anti-Semitic.

If you oppose so called "Jewish finance and international capital" specifically because they're Jewish, you are an Anti-Semite.

[Vassenor]

Identitarians with very few exceptions are Nazis, just re-branded in the hope that it will become mainstream.



They said both slogans. They said "You will not replace us" and they also said "Jews will not replace us." There is no way to deny their racism and anti-antisemitism.

---

Now I think we should get off this. The Neo-Nazis have little to do with the bullshit being spewed from many on the Left, which is what this thread is about.

Identitarians aren't Neo-Nazi at all. You're fear mongering again.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nouvelle_Droite
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Les_Identitaires
https://www.generation-identity.org.uk/
https://www.identityevropa.com

Also, just because you oppose Jewish finance and international capital doesn't mean you're anti-Semitic.

IE was opposed to anyone with progressive ideas, and refers to them with the snarl word of Cultural Marxism.[15]
IE was a racialist organization that tries to hide it under the guise of "human biodiversity".[15]
IE claimed to be censored because some companies have exercised their freedom to disassociate themselves with racist organizations.[16]
IE was opposed to (non-white) immigration into the US.[15]
IE did not allow Jews or other Semitic people from being members, stating that its membership is open only to (in their own words) non-Semitic Europeans (read whites).[17][12] Damigo has voiced anti-Semitic statements. While he has refused to state an opinion regarding the Holocaust and its denial,[12], he has alluded to the International Jewish conspiracy.[12]
“”One of the other aspects that’s been really missed is Jewish power, Jewish influence. It’s been extraordinarily negative for people of European heritage, for our foreign policy, for our domestic policy. And there has been a lot that’s happened that’s been pretty hurtful that the Jewish community has advocated for that has been very anti-white.

Sounds pretty neo nazi to me.

[West Leas Oros 2]

Meanwhile, neo-nazis are shooting people and calling for an ethnic cleansing of the United States.

Neo-Nazis have't been calling for an ethnic cleansing. In fact, they're fighting for their free speech rights. There are very few Neo-Nazis around anymore. The people you consider to be Neo-Nazi are not acutally Neo-Nazi, but are nationalist and identitarian. You're just fear mongering to get people to listen to you. I can tell you that it's not working based on the poll data.

I don't think being identitarian or nationalist is any better. Identity politics is a cancer, and like any cancer, must be removed. Nazis especially can fuck off.

[Cappuccina]

Neo-Nazis have't been calling for an ethnic cleansing. In fact, they're fighting for their free speech rights. There are very few Neo-Nazis around anymore. The people you consider to be Neo-Nazi are not acutally Neo-Nazi, but are nationalist and identitarian. You're just fear mongering to get people to listen to you. I can tell you that it's not working based on the poll data.

I don't think being identitarian or nationalist is any better. Identity politics is a cancer, and like any cancer, must be removed. Nazis especially can fuck off.

Socialism is also a form of identity politics.....

The only difference is the worth of said "identity" to social order.

[Narland]

My grandfather (WW2 Gen) used to say that his great-grandfather (Civil War Gen) used to say (amongst other things) that the white race was a political fiction created by demagogues to control weak minds. We are one race, the human race, and whatever differences we have is in where we congregate and how we treat others. Splaying people out by the color of their skin instead of their moral character and quality of their actions is the height of ignorance. Racists will always be hate-mongers and try to divide and conquer for whatever despotism they are selling by inciting the mobs into lynching. Pushing the myth of racial difference based on skin color is racist hate-mongering plain and simple. What should be decried is the baseness of human character when given over to scapegoat others, etc., etc. According to my grandfather he was a wise man who fought against slavery of the body and the mind. I concur.

Every generation has its hate-mongers, and they need to be decried, not harnessed as a political movement. One of the despotic poisons being sold this time is the myth of "White Privilege" aiming to destroy the very understanding personhood, sacrificing one's mind for the collective (and for the controller of the collective). Every collectivist needs an enemy and this time around it appears to be "White People," more specifically the "White Christian Male." and anyone willing to defend those in that category from unfounded harassment and calumny will suffer the same scorn. Any time hate-mongers gain control in never ends well for anybody.

[Bear Stearns]

Neo-Nazis have't been calling for an ethnic cleansing. In fact, they're fighting for their free speech rights. There are very few Neo-Nazis around anymore. The people you consider to be Neo-Nazi are not acutally Neo-Nazi, but are nationalist and identitarian. You're just fear mongering to get people to listen to you. I can tell you that it's not working based on the poll data.

So when Richard Spencer calls for a White Ethnostate, that's not calling for Ethnic cleansing?

Maybe, but a white American ethnic nationalist state has historical precedent in every other ethnic nationalist movement on the planet, ranging from Zimbabwe to Haiti to Israel.

[Vassenor]

So when Richard Spencer calls for a White Ethnostate, that's not calling for Ethnic cleansing?

Maybe, but a white American ethnic nationalist state has historical precedent in every other ethnic nationalist movement on the planet, ranging from Zimbabwe to Haiti to Israel.

So how does that make him and the rest of the "Hail Trump" crowd not Neo Nazis?

[Gormwood]

So when Richard Spencer calls for a White Ethnostate, that's not calling for Ethnic cleansing?

Maybe, but a white American ethnic nationalist state has historical precedent in every other ethnic nationalist movement on the planet, ranging from Zimbabwe to Haiti to Israel.

So which colonizer would the white nationalists fight for independence from?

[Bear Stearns]

Maybe, but a white American ethnic nationalist state has historical precedent in every other ethnic nationalist movement on the planet, ranging from Zimbabwe to Haiti to Israel.

So how does that make him and the rest of the "Hail Trump" crowd not Neo Nazis?

I don't know. Is he a Nazi? Nationalism is independent of governing ideology. I haven't heard him support anything relating to the 3rd Reich, but maybe he has.

[Bear Stearns]

Maybe, but a white American ethnic nationalist state has historical precedent in every other ethnic nationalist movement on the planet, ranging from Zimbabwe to Haiti to Israel.

So which colonizer would the white nationalists fight for independence from?

The multi-ethnic empire that is the United States, I'm assuming.

[Loben The 2nd]

So how does that make him and the rest of the "Hail Trump" crowd not Neo Nazis?

I don't know. Is he a Nazi? Nationalism is independent of governing ideology. I haven't heard him support anything relating to the 3rd Reich, but maybe he has.

Spencer is a moron who played his hand way too damn early.

[Gormwood]

So which colonizer would the white nationalists fight for independence from?

The multi-ethnic empire that is the United States, I'm assuming.

So the United States is oppressing the white nationalists somehow. Do tell.

[Bear Stearns]

The multi-ethnic empire that is the United States, I'm assuming.

So the United States is oppressing the white nationalists somehow. Do tell.

I didn't say that. Learn to read.

[Loben The 2nd]

The multi-ethnic empire that is the United States, I'm assuming.

So the United States is oppressing the white nationalists somehow. Do tell.

Well having black people in government positions around the country is a start....

[Gormwood]

So the United States is oppressing the white nationalists somehow. Do tell.

I didn't say that. Learn to read.

Comparing the white nationalists to historical independence movements kind of carries that implication.

[Bear Stearns]

I didn't say that. Learn to read.

Comparing the white nationalists to historical independence movements kind of carries that implication.

Not really... Most historical independence movements have been driven by ethnic chauvinism and economic interest.

[Gormwood]

Comparing the white nationalists to historical independence movements kind of carries that implication.

Not really... Most historical independence movements have been driven by ethnic chauvinism and economic interest.

You brought up Haiti. Not based on ethnic chauvinism and economic interest of the slaves.

[Loben The 2nd]

Not really... Most historical independence movements have been driven by ethnic chauvinism and economic interest.

You brought up Haiti. Not based on ethnic chauvinism and economic interest of the slaves.

More killing clubbing anyone in arms reach but whatever benoigles your tobagen.

[Bear Stearns]

Not really... Most historical independence movements have been driven by ethnic chauvinism and economic interest.

You brought up Haiti. Not based on ethnic chauvinism and economic interest of the slaves.

If Haiti had merely been about freedom from oppression, as soon as they French government was overthrown and slavery abolished, they would have called it a day.

Instead they massacred the entire white population and banned whites from immigrating and owning property for about 100 years.