Learning about white privilege is anti-white, studies prove

[Gormwood]

Why is disadvantage based on racism weighted more heavily than, say, disadvantage based on being a child sex abuse victim?

…Because the two evaluate completely different things? There are some progressives who will say that as a white male, you can never face discrimination. Those people are wrong.

Whites do face discrimination. However they rarely if ever face institutional or systematic discrimination.

[The Emerald Legion]

…This is the most disingenuous bullshit I’ve heard all day.

dis·in·gen·u·ous
/ˌdisənˈjenyo͞oəs/
adjective
not candid or sincere, typically by pretending that one knows less about something than one really does.

Studies are attempts to gather evidence and present an argument. This can, and frequently is done poorly, and Sociology is particularly rife with this, since they're not studying the physical laws of reality, but rather instead, very human social constructs.

And this was BEFORE our nation decided it was a good idea to force everyone through college flooding academia with thousands of people with no business being there.

[The Xenopolis Confederation]

…Because the two evaluate completely different things? There are some progressives who will say that as a white male, you can never face discrimination. Those people are wrong.

Whites do face discrimination. However they rarely if ever face institutional or systematic discrimination.

Non-institutional discrimination is still discrimination.

[Kowani]

…This is the most disingenuous bullshit I’ve heard all day.

dis·in·gen·u·ous
/ˌdisənˈjenyo͞oəs/
adjective
not candid or sincere, typically by pretending that one knows less about something than one really does.

Studies are attempts to gather evidence and present an argument. This can, and frequently is done poorly, and Sociology is particularly rife with this, since they're not studying the physical laws of reality, but rather instead, very human social constructs.

When you have actual evidence, go ahead and make an argument.

[Gormwood]

Whites do face discrimination. However they rarely if ever face institutional or systematic discrimination.

Non-institutional discrimination is still discrimination.

Which are nowhere near pervasive as institutional discrimination.

[Tahar Joblis]

Non-institutional discrimination is still discrimination.

Which are nowhere near pervasive as institutional discrimination.

How do we know this?

This is a serious question. I expect that on the balance whites are better off than blacks when it comes to the discrimination game in America (the criminal justice system comes to mind), but right now, trying to meaningfully quantify discrimination that isn't favorable to whites is ... perhaps I shouldn't say "strictly verboten," but a sensitive topic at best in the social sciences. And a lot of the attempts to quantify discrimination involve terribly bad methodology, which means that different studies end up with very different conclusions.

We really don't know much, because it's hard to know what's really going on and politics (as always) figures heavily in determining what research is supported.

For example, as I noted, it's quite striking with respect to the literature on discrimination that in this study, poor blacks were overall viewed as more sympathetic figures than poor whites (in particular, by conservatives who hadn't had a white privilege lesson, and by liberals who'd had one). If the news coverage of the study in the OP led with that result (which is probably no less rigorously established by the study than the result used in the actual headlines) it would be a very different story (and, for that matter, might have made the study harder to publish & less likely to get news coverage).

I'm really curious what their respondent race tabs are, because that might turn out to entirely explain things.

Either way, it's pretty hard to actually get at what's happening on the ground as a matter of current events.

The biggest body what's usually called obvious evidence of institutional racism (differential outcomes due to presumably pervasive effects) has to do with effects that aren't dependent on discrimination happening today. Socioeconomic status is very sticky from generation to generation when we look at the big picture. Even looking more narrowly, you'll note that even the more conservative estimates are that wealth lasts 3-5 generations before dissipating. That's close to a century ago!

For a pointed example of that, many members of the planter class took massive financial losses related to the Civil War, either in terms of direct damage from being in the path of an army or because slaves were emancipated. However, many money-poor but well-educated and well-bred sons and daughters of the freshly-ruined planters were able to marry back into wealth.

[Kowani]

Which are nowhere near pervasive as institutional discrimination.

How do we know this?

This is a serious question. I expect that on the balance whites are better off than blacks when it comes to the discrimination game in America (the criminal justice system comes to mind), but right now, trying to meaningfully quantify discrimination that isn't favorable to whites is ... perhaps I shouldn't say "strictly verboten," but a sensitive topic at best in the social sciences. And a lot of the attempts to quantify discrimination involve terribly bad methodology, which means that different studies end up with very different conclusions.

We really don't know much, because it's hard to know what's really going on and politics (as always) figures heavily in determining what research is supported.

For example, as I noted, it's quite striking with respect to the literature on discrimination that in this study, poor blacks were overall viewed as more sympathetic figures than poor whites (in particular, by conservatives who hadn't had a white privilege lesson, and by liberals who'd had one). If the news coverage of the study in the OP led with that result (which is probably no less rigorously established by the study than the result used in the actual headlines) it would be a very different story (and, for that matter, might have made the study harder to publish & less likely to get news coverage).

I'm really curious what their respondent race tabs are, because that might turn out to entirely explain things.

Either way, it's pretty hard to actually get at what's happening on the ground as a matter of current events.

The biggest body what's usually called obvious evidence of institutional racism (differential outcomes due to presumably pervasive effects) has to do with effects that aren't dependent on discrimination happening today. Socioeconomic status is very sticky from generation to generation when we look at the big picture. Even looking more narrowly, you'll note that even the more conservative estimates are that wealth lasts 3-5 generations before dissipating. That's close to a century ago!

For a pointed example of that, many members of the planter class took massive financial losses related to the Civil War, either in terms of direct damage from being in the path of an army or because slaves were emancipated. However, many money-poor but well-educated and well-bred sons and daughters of the freshly-ruined planters were able to marry back into wealth.

I provided about 5 studies earlier dealing with some of the issues and attempts to quantify them.
Are they perfect, and universal? Probably not. But as a general idea, they work pretty well.

1 2 34 5

Here, I’ll link ‘em again.

[West Leas Oros 2]

White privilege always seemed to me like a tool to distract the liberal left from fighting for the working class as a whole and noticing left-wing politicians have taken an anti-worker swing as well. In the US anyways....

That's why I don't consider them leftist. Calling them "left wing" is a misnomer because they are anti-proletarian.

[West Leas Oros 2]

I gotta love how everyone here is talking about how "Ess Jay Doubleyoos arEn't ReEL! yOu'Re mAkiNg sTufF uP!"

I was literally the type of SJW you claim doesn't exist. And I know for a fact that they are real, and are a threat to society.

[The Emerald Legion]

Studies are attempts to gather evidence and present an argument. This can, and frequently is done poorly, and Sociology is particularly rife with this, since they're not studying the physical laws of reality, but rather instead, very human social constructs.

When you have actual evidence, go ahead and make an argument.

My argument is more or less, sociology is a spurious attempt to sidestep politics by claiming politics is science that is corrupting academia as a whole and should be cut out for the greater health of science.

[Kustonia]

Meanwhile, neo-nazis are shooting people and calling for an ethnic cleansing of the United States.

Neo-Nazis have't been calling for an ethnic cleansing. In fact, they're fighting for their free speech rights. There are very few Neo-Nazis around anymore. The people you consider to be Neo-Nazi are not acutally Neo-Nazi, but are nationalist and identitarian. You're just fear mongering to get people to listen to you. I can tell you that it's not working based on the poll data.

[Gormwood]

Meanwhile, neo-nazis are shooting people and calling for an ethnic cleansing of the United States.

Neo-Nazis have't been calling for an ethnic cleansing. In fact, they're fighting for their free speech rights. There are very few Neo-Nazis around anymore. The people you consider to be Neo-Nazi are not acutally Neo-Nazi, but are nationalist and identitarian. You're just fear mongering to get people to listen to you. I can tell you that it's not working based on the poll data.

"Jews Will Not Replace Us" is really a plea to not replace tiki torches with menorahs.

[Vassenor]

Meanwhile, neo-nazis are shooting people and calling for an ethnic cleansing of the United States.

Neo-Nazis have't been calling for an ethnic cleansing. In fact, they're fighting for their free speech rights. There are very few Neo-Nazis around anymore. The people you consider to be Neo-Nazi are not acutally Neo-Nazi, but are nationalist and identitarian. You're just fear mongering to get people to listen to you. I can tell you that it's not working based on the poll data.

So when Richard Spencer calls for a White Ethnostate, that's not calling for Ethnic cleansing?

[The Emerald Legion]

Neo-Nazis have't been calling for an ethnic cleansing. In fact, they're fighting for their free speech rights. There are very few Neo-Nazis around anymore. The people you consider to be Neo-Nazi are not acutally Neo-Nazi, but are nationalist and identitarian. You're just fear mongering to get people to listen to you. I can tell you that it's not working based on the poll data.

"Jews Will Not Replace Us" is really a plea to not replace tiki torches with menorahs.

Y'know the thing I don't get?

They were caught on video chanting "You will not replace us." Unless a lot of Southerners suddenly spontaneously developed comedic German accents... It's really fucking impossible to hear it any other way.

Yet people keep insisting it was Jews. I wonder why that is?

[Vassenor]

Plus Identarian is pretty much a euphemism for Neo Nazi anyway.

[The Xenopolis Confederation]

Plus Identarian is pretty much a euphemism for Neo Nazi anyway.

Yep. Who even calls themselves "identitarian?" Calling yourself that is acting like identity politics is something to be proud of.

[Gormwood]

"Jews Will Not Replace Us" is really a plea to not replace tiki torches with menorahs.

Y'know the thing I don't get?

They were caught on video chanting "You will not replace us." Unless a lot of Southerners suddenly spontaneously developed comedic German accents... It's really fucking impossible to hear it any other way.

Yet people keep insisting it was Jews. I wonder why that is?

Nothing like neoNazi apologism.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=2DxtadywMnY

[Washington Resistance Army]

Neo-Nazis have't been calling for an ethnic cleansing. In fact, they're fighting for their free speech rights. There are very few Neo-Nazis around anymore. The people you consider to be Neo-Nazi are not acutally Neo-Nazi, but are nationalist and identitarian. You're just fear mongering to get people to listen to you. I can tell you that it's not working based on the poll data.

So when Richard Spencer calls for a White Ethnostate, that's not calling for Ethnic cleansing?

Not inherently. Though I'm pretty sure Spencer has called for "peaceful ethnic cleansing" in the past.

[The Huskar Social Union]

So when Richard Spencer calls for a White Ethnostate, that's not calling for Ethnic cleansing?

Not inherently. Though I'm pretty sure Spencer has called for "peaceful ethnic cleansing" in the past.

"Peaceful Ethnic Cleansing"

Yeah and im the god emperor of fucking sudan.

No such thing, then again Spencer is a fucking half wit so i shouldnt be too surprised

[The Xenopolis Confederation]

So when Richard Spencer calls for a White Ethnostate, that's not calling for Ethnic cleansing?

Not inherently. Though I'm pretty sure Spencer has called for "peaceful ethnic cleansing" in the past.

A white ethnostate in somewhere like America would however require mass relocation and many other oppressive complications.

[LiberNovusAmericae]

Meanwhile, neo-nazis are shooting people and calling for an ethnic cleansing of the United States.

Neo-Nazis have't been calling for an ethnic cleansing. In fact, they're fighting for their free speech rights. There are very few Neo-Nazis around anymore. The people you consider to be Neo-Nazi are not acutally Neo-Nazi, but are nationalist and identitarian. You're just fear mongering to get people to listen to you. I can tell you that it's not working based on the poll data.

Identitarians with very few exceptions are Nazis, just re-branded in the hope that it will become mainstream.

"Jews Will Not Replace Us" is really a plea to not replace tiki torches with menorahs.

Y'know the thing I don't get?

They were caught on video chanting "You will not replace us." Unless a lot of Southerners suddenly spontaneously developed comedic German accents... It's really fucking impossible to hear it any other way.

Yet people keep insisting it was Jews. I wonder why that is?

They said both slogans. They said "You will not replace us" and they also said "Jews will not replace us." There is no way to deny their racism and anti-antisemitism.

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Now I think we should get off this. The Neo-Nazis have little to do with the bullshit being spewed from many on the Left, which is what this thread is about.

[Crockerland]

Black Panther Party and Black Hebrew Israelites are some of the most racist people around.

While the Black Hebrew Israelites are definitely dickheads, "some of the most racist people around"? The worst Black Hebrew Israelites have done recently is shout stupid shit. Meanwhile, neo-nazis are shooting people and calling for an ethnic cleansing of the United States.

White people calling for extermination of black people: They're CALLING FOR AN ETHNIC CLEANSING!!!
Black people calling for extermination of white people: Ah they're just saying stupid shit don't worry about it

https://www.splcenter.org/fighting-hate/intelligence-report/2017/return-violent-black-nationalist
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2016_shooting_of_Baton_Rouge_police_officers
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2016_shooting_of_Dallas_police_officers#Motive

[Meikaii]

Ive maintained that the only systemic privilege that exists these days gives said privileges to the rich and anyone else just falls to the wayside. Obviously, this is not to deny that white privilege existed as a systemic institution in the past, nor do I forget that the majority of those privileged are white.
It's systemic class warfare by the rich to keep the poor down, and yes, this does have the appearance of white privilege but thats because, due to capitalism, America was founded on slave labour and as a result, those who found themselves enslaved, free later or not, found themselves as third class citizens who had no mobility because they were kept from having anything. The conclusion to come to is that capitalism, while great as a starting economy, becomes parasitic, just as can be clearly seen in America today. It is a system that, by its very nature, is a Ponzi scheme until it finally falls simply by the majourity of people not having enough resources to keep the system going and it collapses under its own corpulence.

[Vassenor]

So when Richard Spencer calls for a White Ethnostate, that's not calling for Ethnic cleansing?

Not inherently. Though I'm pretty sure Spencer has called for "peaceful ethnic cleansing" in the past.

How does establishing an ethnostate "not inherently" involve ethnic cleansing?

[Washington Resistance Army]

Not inherently. Though I'm pretty sure Spencer has called for "peaceful ethnic cleansing" in the past.

How does establishing an ethnostate "not inherently" involve ethnic cleansing?

Depending on locale the desired ethnicity could already make up a near or total majority already and render a need for ethnic cleansing moot. Most plans in the US for a white homeland for example tend to focus on areas that are already near totally white (90%+) like the northwest.