Learning about white privilege is anti-white, studies prove

[New haven america]

Maybe you should stop using the language of white supremacist groups and people might consider what you're saying.

Might.

Nothing I'm saying is "Supremacism". I'm proud of who I am, I want the best for the people I love and I want to have a particular collective destiny. I can't worry about labels, if someone wants to stop you, they will misrepresent you no matter what your rhetoric. If someone wants to work with me towards peace, they will listen, regardless. I can't change for the people who want to destroy me.

Well that's just a blatant lie.

[Skarten]

You knows the Ionians were Greek right?

PROTIP: the Lydians were not on the side of the Ionians.

And what sack are you talking about? As in, what war is it from?

The Ionian Revolt. Did you not read my post?

Is this Aryan Literacy I'm observing right now, the hot new alternative to Jewish Literacy?

When did it happen? You can't just say "The Sack of X" and expect it to be enough.

498 BC. You know. During the Ionian Revolt. Try to keep up.

So apparently, an sack which happened in an REVOLT against Persians is "Butchering and enslaving"?

I mean, i didn't know revolts counted as colonization. Huh, TIL.

[Skarten]

Because it's not a good thing. Not everyone wants to be part of a culture-less cosmopolitan blob. Weren't you left-wingers the ones who wanted "diversity"? Although, in retrospect, it seems like that's really just a code word for "No white people"

Except no.

Cultures still exist, as does the nation state.

There is however one united world paltmently assembly that governs the nation states like provinces, or like states in the US.

Which would be impossible due to the fact of the drastically different cultures. The sheer size of such government would ensure it would fail. I mean, look at the League of Nations or the UN, the closest thing to a world government.

[Emulation White]

I just want a home where my people can govern themselves, independently and racially concious.

I'm intrigued; could I honestly enquire as to why is this important to you?

Uniting humanity? Hah yeah good joke, that's not going to work unless you decide to somehow turn humanity in this one homogenous blob who dont have any ideology of their own.

Bringing all of the cultures of the world together sounds to me like it would result in a glorious harmonic interchange rather than homogeneity. Perhaps that's just me being optimistic, of course!

I've grown up in urban-mostly non-white areas my whole life. I've enjoyed the experience and met a lot of people who've had a positive impact on my life. But all my favorite art, music, culture friends, etc grow from the same tree as I. I would be at a loss to articulate the love I feel for my White girlfriend or the unspeakable closeness and understanding that emanates from the thickness of blood. It is visceral to the core, it is the antithesis of idealogy.

[Former Citizens of the Nimbus System]

PROTIP: the Lydians were not on the side of the Ionians.

The Ionian Revolt. Did you not read my post?

Is this Aryan Literacy I'm observing right now, the hot new alternative to Jewish Literacy?

498 BC. You know. During the Ionian Revolt. Try to keep up.

So apparently, an sack which happened in an REVOLT against Persians is "Butchering and enslaving"?

I mean, i didn't know revolts counted as colonization. Huh, TIL.

I think it's the Athenian intervention during the revolt that's being referred to.

Still see no reason why any of this matters, though.

[New Kvenland]

imagine you happen to come across this site and think "oh you can make your own country, that's cute" so you open the forum and this is the first thing you see

alternatively imagine hooting and hollering over white privilege classes existing

[Skarten]

So apparently, an sack which happened in an REVOLT against Persians is "Butchering and enslaving"?

I mean, i didn't know revolts counted as colonization. Huh, TIL.

I think it's the Athenian intervention during the revolt that's being referred to.

Still see no reason why any of this matters, though.

I'm simply countering this tired argument that europeans are somehow this evil group of people who did nothing but invade and enslave other continents through the entirety of their existence, something which was only done by them.

[Former Citizens of the Nimbus System]

I'm intrigued; could I honestly enquire as to why is this important to you?
I've grown up in urban-mostly non-white areas my whole life. I've enjoyed the experience and met a lot of people who've had a positive impact on my life. But all my favorite art, music, culture friends, etc grow from the same tree as I. I would be at a loss to articulate the love I feel for my White girlfriend or the unspeakable closeness and understanding that emanates from the thickness of blood. It is visceral to the core, it is the antithesis of idealogy.

Forgive me; I'm still not sure I understand. Why does this require the formation of an independent polity?

[Emulation White]

Nothing I'm saying is "Supremacism". I'm proud of who I am, I want the best for the people I love and I want to have a particular collective destiny. I can't worry about labels, if someone wants to stop you, they will misrepresent you no matter what your rhetoric. If someone wants to work with me towards peace, they will listen, regardless. I can't change for the people who want to destroy me.

Well that's just a blatant lie.

I'm being honest. If your mind is made up, then so be it. The olive branch stands if you decide to lay down your arms.

[Skarten]

imagine you happen to come across this site and think "oh you can make your own country, that's cute" so you open the forum and this is the first thing you see

alternatively imagine hooting and hollering over white privilege classes existing

It be like that sometimes.

[New haven america]

I'm intrigued; could I honestly enquire as to why is this important to you?


Bringing all of the cultures of the world together sounds to me like it would result in a glorious harmonic interchange rather than homogeneity. Perhaps that's just me being optimistic, of course!

I've grown up in urban-mostly non-white areas my whole life. I've enjoyed the experience and met a lot of people who've had a positive impact on my life. But all my favorite art, music, culture friends, etc grow from the same tree as I. I would be at a loss to articulate the love I feel for my White girlfriend or the unspeakable closeness and understanding that emanates from the thickness of blood. It is visceral to the core, it is the antithesis of idealogy.

Art and music aren't race specific, sorry.

[Former Citizens of the Nimbus System]

I think it's the Athenian intervention during the revolt that's being referred to.

Still see no reason why any of this matters, though.

I'm simply countering this tired argument that europeans are somehow this evil group of people who did nothing but invade and enslave other continents through the entirety of their existence, something which was only done by them.

Huh. Well, history attests to pretty much everyone who could doing that. European colonial powers just happened to be the major force for it in the past half-millennium and did so on a very large scale.

In my view we are not responsible for the crimes of our ancestors but we should nonetheless recognise that we are influenced by the cultural artefacts perpetuated by those same ancestors and that we do have a responsibility to break those influences on ourselves if they are harmful. Since European colonialism is a highly significant contributor to the modern state of power relations on every scale, its influence tends to be similarly significant.

[Emulation White]

Forgive me; I'm still not sure I understand. Why does this require the formation of an independent polity?

The same reason someone wants to live on their own, but on a collective standard. I don't want to be subsumed in a civic disparate mass. We have to make our own decisions from a racially aware platform and have the pride that comes with controlling one's (collective) own destiny. People talk about "American Values", but these change every 4 years. Multi-cultural societies are formed at idealogical levels. I am not a race-denier. I want depth, biology. It is instinctive, that is where it begins

[Fartsniffage]

Forgive me; I'm still not sure I understand. Why does this require the formation of an independent polity?

The same reason someone wants to live on their own, but on a collective standard. I don't want to be subsumed in a civic disparate mass. We have to make our own decisions from a racially aware platform and have the pride that comes with controlling one's (collective) own destiny. People talk about "American Values", but these change every 4 years. Multi-cultural societies are formed at idealogical levels. I am not a race-denier. I want depth, biology. It is instinctive, that is where it begins

I love this. You want individual decision making but public decision making. But only in the same racial group.

Don't you see the issue with that?

[Emulation White]

I've grown up in urban-mostly non-white areas my whole life. I've enjoyed the experience and met a lot of people who've had a positive impact on my life. But all my favorite art, music, culture friends, etc grow from the same tree as I. I would be at a loss to articulate the love I feel for my White girlfriend or the unspeakable closeness and understanding that emanates from the thickness of blood. It is visceral to the core, it is the antithesis of idealogy.

Art and music aren't race specific, sorry.

If that is what you believe. From my understanding your perspective is false, and our disagreement on race is irreconciable. However, that does not disturb me in the least, live as you wish. All I want is the same dignity for myself and the people who would join me. No moral arguments, simply empathy and respect, that is how the world will move forward.

[Conserative Morality]

So apparently, an sack which happened in an REVOLT against Persians is "Butchering and enslaving"?

Yep. You do realize that butchering and enslaving people is butchering and enslaving people, and that Lydians aren't Persians? It's okay, I know all those non-European types look the same to you. =^)

I mean, i didn't know revolts counted as colonization. Huh, TIL.

Nice goalpost moving.

[New haven america]

Art and music aren't race specific, sorry.

If that is what you believe. From my understanding your perspective is false, and our disagreement on race is irreconciable. However, that does not disturb me in the least, live as you wish. All I want is the same dignity for myself and the people who would join me. No moral arguments, simply empathy and respect, that is how the world will move forward.

If that was the case then why is one of the best rappers of all time white? Or how could a Chinese artist make a European style sculpture that rivals that of several European artists?

[Conserative Morality]

I think it's the Athenian intervention during the revolt that's being referred to.

Still see no reason why any of this matters, though.

I'm simply countering this tired argument that europeans are somehow this evil group of people who did nothing but invade and enslave other continents through the entirety of their existence, something which was only done by them.

[Russkiya Svyachena]

Honestly, the American idea that America itself is a bad country that only did bad things should be dispelled. I find it surprising that people in our former rivals hate their own country and race more than the older generation here does, and while we aren’t taught in school or the media doesn’t act like America is the best country ever, many of us in the younger Russian generation have a respect for America that Americans themselves seem to not have these days.

[Former Citizens of the Nimbus System]

Forgive me; I'm still not sure I understand. Why does this require the formation of an independent polity?

The same reason someone wants to live on their own, but on a collective standard. I don't want to be subsumed in a civic disparate mass. We have to make our own decisions from a racially aware platform and have the pride that comes with controlling one's (collective) own destiny. People talk about "American Values", but these change every 4 years. Multi-cultural societies are formed at idealogical levels. I am not a race-denier. I want depth, biology. It is instinctive, that is where it begins

I think that my critique of the above (and feel free to challenge me on anything that follows) revolves around the idea that race doesn't exist on a genetic level; here's an article on that. That would suggest to me that a view of race as a self-defining and other-defining factor comes from cultural and social awareness; it is instinctual but it is learned instinct, not inborn instinct. In this case, a change in culture and society away from the idea of race would render the entire concept of a racially-defined polity meaningless.

[Emulation White]

The same reason someone wants to live on their own, but on a collective standard. I don't want to be subsumed in a civic disparate mass. We have to make our own decisions from a racially aware platform and have the pride that comes with controlling one's (collective) own destiny. People talk about "American Values", but these change every 4 years. Multi-cultural societies are formed at idealogical levels. I am not a race-denier. I want depth, biology. It is instinctive, that is where it begins

I love this. You want individual decision making but public decision making. But only in the same racial group.

Don't you see the issue with that?

I assume you object to exclusivess or some historical precedent? Exclusiveness is endemic to life and will always exist in biological, idealogical, accidental or practical forms. What is so wrong with a nation that would cooperate with other nations on a global level, be open to trade and seek ecological harmony? The fact that we would be homogenous? So what?

[Conserative Morality]

Honestly, the American idea that America itself is a bad country that only did bad things should be dispelled. I find it surprising that people in our former rivals hate their own country and race more than the older generation here does, and while we aren’t taught in school or the media doesn’t act like America is the best country ever, many of us in the younger Russian generation have a respect for America that Americans themselves seem to not have these days.

It's not true in the least, though. Most Americans are very patriotic, and our media and schooling system reinforce this in a big way.

[Diarcesia]

Honestly, the American idea that America itself is a bad country that only did bad things should be dispelled. I find it surprising that people in our former rivals hate their own country and race more than the older generation here does, and while we aren’t taught in school or the media doesn’t act like America is the best country ever, many of us in the younger Russian generation have a respect for America that Americans themselves seem to not have these days.

Self-criticism is a good thing and it helps us improve. Also, too much of a good thing is also a thing, and it's bad.

[Fartsniffage]

I love this. You want individual decision making but public decision making. But only in the same racial group.

Don't you see the issue with that?

I assume you object to exclusivess or some historical precedent? Exclusiveness is endemic to life and will always exist in biological, idealogical, accidental or practical forms. What is so wrong with a nation that would cooperate with other nations on a global level, be open to trade and seek ecological harmony? The fact that we would be homogenous? So what?

Your society isn't homogeneous. You might want it to be but that boat left a long time ago.

Maybe stop being so fascist and maybe move on?

[Diarcesia]

I assume you object to exclusivess or some historical precedent? Exclusiveness is endemic to life and will always exist in biological, idealogical, accidental or practical forms. What is so wrong with a nation that would cooperate with other nations on a global level, be open to trade and seek ecological harmony? The fact that we would be homogenous? So what?

Your society isn't homogeneous. You might want it to be but that boat left a long time ago.

Maybe stop being so fascist and maybe move on?

And even if it is, it won't take long for its members to constrict their criteria of homogeneity. Now that you have national homogeneity? Let's make it provincial!