Learning about white privilege is anti-white, studies prove

[Ostroeuropa]

If constant reference to white privilege without inclusion of class privilege lowers empathy for white people and makes people less empathetic toward them than other races, how is that not racism?

For example, reference to black criminality without important context would be systemic media racism, yes?

Go ahead, what's your reasoning. Previously you could argue that just because an article references white privilege and doesn't mention class doesn't make it de-facto anti-white, we now know that is not the case.

You are acting as if the results of a very specific experiment on white privilege were reflective of a direct motivation on the part of everyone or most people who produce and circulate work related to the concept of white privilege.

You know better than to suggest racism requires intent.

[Ostroeuropa]

So being less likely to get brutalized or gunned down by cops during a routine traffic stop compared to people of color isn't a privilege?

At the risk of maybe not reflecting his views properly, I'm pretty sure Ostro's argument is that, in order to be considered a privilege, white people would actually have to demonstrably benefit from that disadvantage faced by black people. As in, they would have to be receiving an advantage, rather than a lack of disadvantages.

This is a pretty fair assessment. I'd also argue that the militarization of police and the presence of racism against black people means white people face disadvantage here too.

Much like poverty is a social ill that impacts people who aren't poor too through its effects on society.

The fact that police racism against blacks exists doesn't merely not benefit whites, it means that whites are less able to mount an offensive against police brutality in their own communities. A general lowering of the bar, akin to the slavery issue and its impact on white wages. With respect to the police this also means bleed over from being trained to treat criminals a certain way, a way that would probably be more nuanced if "Black person" wasn't their idea of criminal. That training might diminish in the face of a white criminal, but doesn't go away entirely. Similar to the racialization of white muslims, white criminals become partly "racialized" I would argue through having similar characteristics to an "Other" that has been demonized and stereotyped.

Moreover there are characteristics associated with whites which negatively impact them more directly, and likewise by proxy impact minorities in an aftershock.

So i'd say you've explained my position well, but I'd also contest the notion that whites face a lack of disadvantages.

It doesn't merely not benefit me for my neighbors house to burn down, but if my house is next to his and takes damage too, merely a lesser amount, and then we blithlely compare the two and say the white is at an advantaged state because of the fire, or even a neutral one, we're making a mistake.

[Unstoppable Empire of Doom]

White priveledge, systemic racism, and cultural appropriation are all falsehoods.

Priveledge is based on wealth not skin color.

Systemic racism nearly ended in the 60's. During the 1990's the last of it was stamped out. Now we are only dealing with the remnants and after affects. This will take generations to heal and there is no magical fast forward button for it.

You cannot appropriate culture that is your own. Take a black guy and a white girl from Cleveland and LA and they will have more in common than a black girl from Baltimore and a Black guy from Sudan. Culture is the culmination of various factors not exclusively skin color.

[Vassenor]

White priveledge, systemic racism, and cultural appropriation are all falsehoods.

Priveledge is based on wealth not skin color.

Systemic racism nearly ended in the 60's. During the 1990's the last of it was stamped out. Now we are only dealing with the remnants and after affects. This will take generations to heal and there is no magical fast forward button for it.

You cannot appropriate culture that is your own. Take a black guy and a white girl from Cleveland and LA and they will have more in common than a black girl from Baltimore and a Black guy from Sudan. Culture is the culmination of various factors not exclusively skin color.

And you base these claims on what evidence?

[Former Citizens of the Nimbus System]

Systemic racism nearly ended in the 60's. During the 1990's the last of it was stamped out. Now we are only dealing with the remnants and after affects. This will take generations to heal and there is no magical fast forward button for it.

I would disagree; nonetheless, accepting your premise, do we not have a responsibility to try anyway? The products of racism are clearly damaging and when something is damaging I prefer to act rather than stand idly by.

[Liriena]

Systemic racism nearly ended in the 60's. During the 1990's the last of it was stamped out. Now we are only dealing with the remnants and after affects. This will take generations to heal and there is no magical fast forward button for it.

The "remnants and after effects" of systemic racism that you speak of include disproportionate levels of poverty, school segregation, employment discrimination, a biased criminal justice system and continued voter disenfranchisement, much of it still enabled if not actively promoted by the political system. Those don't sound like actual "remnants and after effects" to me. They sound like systemic racism that's still very much active, institutionalized and widespread. The only difference is that it's no longer explicitly codified as such by law or explicitly condoned by political leaders.

[Gormwood]

So being less likely to get brutalized or gunned down by cops during a routine traffic stop compared to people of color isn't a privilege?

At the risk of maybe not reflecting his views properly, I'm pretty sure Ostro's argument is that, in order to be considered a privilege, white people would actually have to demonstrably benefit from that disadvantage faced by black people. As in, they would have to be receiving an advantage, rather than a lack of disadvantages.

So it's not white privilege, it's white advantage.

[Galloism]

So being less likely to get brutalized or gunned down by cops during a routine traffic stop compared to people of color isn't a privilege?

Ask women.

[Gormwood]

So being less likely to get brutalized or gunned down by cops during a routine traffic stop compared to people of color isn't a privilege?

Ask women.

Right, forgot Sandra Bland got off with a slap on the wrist.

[Galloism]

Ask women.

Right, forgot Sandra Bland got off with a slap on the wrist.

Just like Daniel Shaver.

[Gormwood]

Right, forgot Sandra Bland got off with a slap on the wrist.

Just like Daniel Shaver.

Oh please, you were insinuating women have special privileges. The MRA in you slipped and got caught trying to move the goalpost.

[Galloism]

Just like Daniel Shaver.

Oh please, you were insinuating women have special privileges. The MRA in you slipped and got caught trying to move the goalpost.

Hey, you're the one who asserted it was privilege to be less likely to be gunned down by police.

I'm just following that to its logical conclusion.

Personally, I'd like police to be a lot more restrained towards everyone, although obviously there's a lot more restraint needed on black people and men, and black men in particular.

[LiberNovusAmericae]

There is going to be a time when you'll regret spending so much of your time and youth defending white supremacists and MRAs in a niche nation-building forum, Ostro.

As for the study, is it a study. You could probably find a study proving the opposite.

Not everyone who hates SJWism is a white supremacist.

[Telconi]

Oh please, you were insinuating women have special privileges. The MRA in you slipped and got caught trying to move the goalpost.

Hey, you're the one who asserted it was privilege to be less likely to be gunned down by police.

I'm just following that to its logical conclusion.

Personally, I'd like police to be a lot more restrained towards everyone, although obviously there's a lot more restraint needed on black people and men, and black men in particular.

Clearly the capacity to be not brutally gunned down is an undeserved privilege extended by the state to people who don't meet the melanin threshold of denial.

[Kustonia]

"In recent times it has been fashionable to talk of the levelling of nations, of the disappearance of different races in the melting pot of contemporary civilization. I do not agree with this opinion, but its discussion remains another question. Here it is merely fitting to say that the disappearance of nations would have impoverished us no less than if all men had become alike, with one personality and one face. Nations are the wealth of mankind, its collective personalities; the very least of them wears its own special colours and bears within itself a special facet of the Divine intention."

- Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn

[Galloism]

Hey, you're the one who asserted it was privilege to be less likely to be gunned down by police.

I'm just following that to its logical conclusion.

Personally, I'd like police to be a lot more restrained towards everyone, although obviously there's a lot more restraint needed on black people and men, and black men in particular.

Clearly the capacity to be not brutally gunned down is an undeserved privilege extended by the state to people who don't meet the melanin threshold of denial.

I mean, sort of.

I downloaded the table here from policeviolencereport.org.

I threw a couple of countif statements in there.

516 were white
282 were black
234 were hispanic
12 asians
70 of an unknown or undetermined
29 other

Also,

1084 were male
59 were female
3 were transgender
1 was unknown

[Liriena]

There is going to be a time when you'll regret spending so much of your time and youth defending white supremacists and MRAs in a niche nation-building forum, Ostro.

As for the study, is it a study. You could probably find a study proving the opposite.

Not everyone who hates SJWism is a white supremacist.

"SJWism" is not a thing.

[Des-Bal]

Oh please, you were insinuating women have special privileges. The MRA in you slipped and got caught trying to move the goalpost.

You said this:

So being less likely to get brutalized or gunned down by cops during a routine traffic stop compared to people of color isn't a privilege?

You spelled out being less likely to be gunned down or brutalized as a privilege. 23% of people shot by the police are black. 95% are men. You appear to be the one moving goalposts.

[Liriena]

"In recent times it has been fashionable to talk of the levelling of nations, of the disappearance of different races in the melting pot of contemporary civilization. I do not agree with this opinion, but its discussion remains another question. Here it is merely fitting to say that the disappearance of nations would have impoverished us no less than if all men had become alike, with one personality and one face. Nations are the wealth of mankind, its collective personalities; the very least of them wears its own special colours and bears within itself a special facet of the Divine intention."

- Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn

White people are not entitled to racial homogeneity nor do we need racial homogeneity to "preserve" our national identities. Skin tone is not the natural or god-given essence of a nationality.

Also, Solzhenitsyn was a thot and a nasty hoe.

[Gormwood]

Oh please, you were insinuating women have special privileges. The MRA in you slipped and got caught trying to move the goalpost.

You said this:

So being less likely to get brutalized or gunned down by cops during a routine traffic stop compared to people of color isn't a privilege?

You spelled out being less likely to be gunned down or brutalized as a privilege. 23% of people shot by the police are black. 95% are men. You appear to be the one moving goalposts.

So touché? Do you win a grand prize?

[Des-Bal]

"SJWism" is not a thing.

Yes it is. If you see a thing and describe it with a word then it's a thing whether or not you like the word. SJWs and by extension SJWism exist.

[Des-Bal]

So touché? Do you win a grand prize?

Yes, I get to watch you throw this weird tantrum and twist instead of just saying "yeah I guess I that makes sense."

[Kustonia]

"In recent times it has been fashionable to talk of the levelling of nations, of the disappearance of different races in the melting pot of contemporary civilization. I do not agree with this opinion, but its discussion remains another question. Here it is merely fitting to say that the disappearance of nations would have impoverished us no less than if all men had become alike, with one personality and one face. Nations are the wealth of mankind, its collective personalities; the very least of them wears its own special colours and bears within itself a special facet of the Divine intention."

- Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn

White people are not entitled to racial homogeneity nor do we need racial homogeneity to "preserve" our national identities. Skin tone is not the natural or god-given essence of a nationality.

Also, Solzhenitsyn was a thot and a nasty hoe.

White people have had racial homogeneity, and race is the one and only thing that can preserve European culture. Other races of people do not care about Whites and their culture, they have their own to preserve. Also, why should non-whites care? They didn't build White civilization, they built their own civilizations, and they can return to them any time they'd like. Whites do not have that privilege.

[The Black Forrest]

"SJWism" is not a thing.

Yes it is. If you see a thing and describe it with a word then it's a thing whether or not you like the word. SJWs and by extension SJWism exist.

Hmmm? Maybe to the Op and the MRA types. Most would give you a if you go on about it.

[Des-Bal]

Hmmm? Maybe to the Op and the MRA types. Most would give you a if you go on about it.

If you don't believe there are people who seek to be offended and fixate on "social justice" concepts to be trendy you're not paying attention.