Alpha-Betas: Do they exist?

[The Rich Port]

Only soyboys think they don't, or that it is a "Social Construct" stop denying facts and common sense. Also cut wayyy down on the soy intake, I'm not joking soyboys have less testosterone than 85 year old men.

And yet, despite not believing in it and being a soyboy by your definition, having low testosterone means nothing on whether you're successful at getting women to sleep with you.

Women don't really care about how much testosterone you produce, and testosterone levels have nothing to do with the important thing like stamina, size, and energy.

[Kowani]

The illogical worldview you have is no different from Osama’s underneath. Heck, his was even more justified.

That’s a statement not a point.

A distinction without difference.

[Heloin]

Only soyboys think they don't, or that it is a "Social Construct" stop denying facts and common sense. Also cut wayyy down on the soy intake, I'm not joking soyboys have less testosterone than 85 year old men.

And yet, despite not believing in it and being a soyboy by your definition, having low testosterone means nothing on whether you're successful at getting women to sleep with you.

Women don't really care about how much testosterone you produce, and testosterone levels have nothing to do with the important thing like stamina, size, and energy.

The higher ones testosterone level, the likelier they are to go bald sooner.

[Saiwania]

I'd say that it's probably true that a lot if not most of the Incels, can't be saved. Mentally, they're often in a worse place than even Kuroki Tomoko. They want relationships and sex like Tomoko wants popularity and fun amongst her peers. But generally speaking, none of those things are just freely given, it just isn't how the world works.

An Incel doesn't have to be miserable though, so much of the answer to their problem lies inward.

[New haven america]

Only soyboys think they don't, or that it is a "Social Construct" stop denying facts and common sense. Also cut wayyy down on the soy intake, I'm not joking soyboys have less testosterone than 85 year old men.

And yet, despite not believing in it and being a soyboy by your definition, having low testosterone means nothing on whether you're successful at getting women to sleep with you.

Women don't really care about how much testosterone you produce, and testosterone levels have nothing to do with the important thing like stamina, size, and energy.

Also, men with lower testosterone probably wouldn't care about sex anyway, as hormonal imbalance commonly causes the lowering of one's sex drive.

[Slotted Floppies]

That’s a statement not a point.

A distinction without difference.

Righty o then

[Cannot think of a name]

"But can't you see that I'm such a nice guy?"

"I even wore my special fedora with my prized Princess Celestia pin. Who don't you love me!?"

As a lover of hats, the fucked off gentlemen's obsession with fedoras and such really fucking annoys me. I've been wearing a Pork Pie etc since high school for perfectly acceptable dorky reasons (I was a jazz musician and wanted to be a cool jazz musician) that I can gladly accept ridicule for (I mean...it's pretty stupid), but having to go, "Oh no, sorry random woman. I'm not about to accost you for my self enforced lack of appeal, I just like dumb hats for another dumb reason" sucks.

"Why don't they let me in their stupid club for jerks" seems like such a sweet pickup line...

I've gotten dates with "You're the only ten I see" and by being nice. I bet most Incels could use just about any pick up line and finally get a date, if they'd not treat other people as objects and be actually nice.

More than one girlfriend or expression of interest far, far above my weight so to speak by not trying to hump their leg because of their features. Strangely enough, and this is not a panacea because women (I don't have to tell you this) are a mass of individuals with individual desires wants and reactions etc, if you don't constantly go, "So when you gonna let me at those giant breast" you eventually get access to those giant breasts. And all you have to do is engage with them as a person without agenda and appreciate them as an individual. Bonus points, even if it doesn't grant you access to their fruity pebbles, you got to know someone as a person and made a friend which should never be undervalued in this world.

And your opinion that victims of mass shootings are at fault for mass shootings is totally valid?

No society over prioritising community over individuals is at fault. The shootings are a response.

Whaaat the fuck are you talking about?

[New haven america]

"I even wore my special fedora with my prized Princess Celestia pin. Who don't you love me!?"

As a lover of hats, the fucked off gentlemen's obsession with fedoras and such really fucking annoys me. I've been wearing a Pork Pie etc since high school for perfectly acceptable dorky reasons (I was a jazz musician and wanted to be a cool jazz musician) that I can gladly accept ridicule for (I mean...it's pretty stupid), but having to go, "Oh no, sorry random woman. I'm not about to accost you for my self enforced lack of appeal, I just like dumb hats for another dumb reason" sucks.

Hey man, I'm with you, fedoras can look pretty snazzy/fun on the right person.

Unfortunately, the wrong people are wearing them the most and making everyone else look bad. >_>

[Cataluna]

Alphas and Betas do exist, but the dichotomy is entirely constructed. The ideal brought by hegemonic masculinity is the "alpha" state, whereas alternative masculinities form a sort of "beta" class. Toxic masculinity, then, is the process of alpha-ification which results from the fear of descending into the beta class.

[Slotted Floppies]

"I even wore my special fedora with my prized Princess Celestia pin. Who don't you love me!?"

As a lover of hats, the fucked off gentlemen's obsession with fedoras and such really fucking annoys me. I've been wearing a Pork Pie etc since high school for perfectly acceptable dorky reasons (I was a jazz musician and wanted to be a cool jazz musician) that I can gladly accept ridicule for (I mean...it's pretty stupid), but having to go, "Oh no, sorry random woman. I'm not about to accost you for my self enforced lack of appeal, I just like dumb hats for another dumb reason" sucks.

I've gotten dates with "You're the only ten I see" and by being nice. I bet most Incels could use just about any pick up line and finally get a date, if they'd not treat other people as objects and be actually nice.

More than one girlfriend or expression of interest far, far above my weight so to speak by not trying to hump their leg because of their features. Strangely enough, and this is not a panacea because women (I don't have to tell you this) are a mass of individuals with individual desires wants and reactions etc, if you don't constantly go, "So when you gonna let me at those giant breast" you eventually get access to those giant breasts. And all you have to do is engage with them as a person without agenda and appreciate them as an individual. Bonus points, even if it doesn't grant you access to their fruity pebbles, you got to know someone as a person and made a friend which should never be undervalued in this world.

No society over prioritising community over individuals is at fault. The shootings are a response.

Whaaat the fuck are you talking about?

Honestly man, I have no idea. Kinda was hoping to earn my DOS by saying something fucked up. But I don’t appear to have broken any rules with this shitstorm tirade.

[Heloin]

No society over prioritising community over individuals is at fault. The shootings are a response.

Whaaat the fuck are you talking about?

Probably something to the effect that he actually sympathises with Incel shooters to some degree but he's still sane enough to know saying that out loud would probably not be smart.

[Kowani]

A distinction without difference.

Righty o then

Constantly deflecting doesn’t help you, k’now.

[New haven america]

Whaaat the fuck are you talking about?

Probably something to the effect that he actually sympathises with Incel shooters to some degree but he's still sane enough to know saying that out loud would probably not be smart.

It just a joke, they're not being serious.

It's just a joke, just a joke...

[Heloin]

As a lover of hats, the fucked off gentlemen's obsession with fedoras and such really fucking annoys me. I've been wearing a Pork Pie etc since high school for perfectly acceptable dorky reasons (I was a jazz musician and wanted to be a cool jazz musician) that I can gladly accept ridicule for (I mean...it's pretty stupid), but having to go, "Oh no, sorry random woman. I'm not about to accost you for my self enforced lack of appeal, I just like dumb hats for another dumb reason" sucks.

Hey man, I'm with you, fedoras can look pretty snazzy/fun on the right person.

Unfortunately, the wrong people are wearing them the most and making everyone else look bad. >_>

I'd like to wear my flat cap more often but I don't want to look like a hipster or alt-righty.

[New haven america]

Hey man, I'm with you, fedoras can look pretty snazzy/fun on the right person.

Unfortunately, the wrong people are wearing them the most and making everyone else look bad. >_>

I'd like to wear my flat cap more often but I don't want to look like a hipster or alt-righty.

I'm pretty sure women are able to get away with weird fashion easier than men can.

[Cannot think of a name]

And yet, despite not believing in it and being a soyboy by your definition, having low testosterone means nothing on whether you're successful at getting women to sleep with you.

Women don't really care about how much testosterone you produce, and testosterone levels have nothing to do with the important thing like stamina, size, and energy.

Also, men with lower testosterone probably wouldn't care about sex anyway, as hormonal imbalance commonly causes the lowering of one's sex drive.

I gotta admit, I've been seeing ads telling me that I'll be experiencing this drop in sex drive as I get older and honestly...I can't fucking wait. Neither can my browser.

And yet, despite not believing in it and being a soyboy by your definition, having low testosterone means nothing on whether you're successful at getting women to sleep with you.

Women don't really care about how much testosterone you produce, and testosterone levels have nothing to do with the important thing like stamina, size, and energy.

The higher ones testosterone level, the likelier they are to go bald sooner.

I started balding at 17. If this is a result of testosterone, it was its only gift.

Oh hey, look...another possible reason I like hats.

Only soyboys think they don't, or that it is a "Social Construct" stop denying facts and common sense. Also cut wayyy down on the soy intake, I'm not joking soyboys have less testosterone than 85 year old men.

And yet, despite not believing in it and being a soyboy by your definition, having low testosterone means nothing on whether you're successful at getting women to sleep with you.

Women don't really care about how much testosterone you produce, and testosterone levels have nothing to do with the important thing like stamina, size, and energy.

Just had this image of women checking like the Jedi order looking at midiclorins...

Only soyboys think they don't, or that it is a "Social Construct" stop denying facts and common sense. Also cut wayyy down on the soy intake, I'm not joking soyboys have less testosterone than 85 year old men.

Soy contains testosterone and would probably boost those levels if a number that doesn't mean anything is important to you.

Wait really? That's fucking hilarious.

[Costa Fierro]

The alpha-beta paradigm doesn't really exist but there are dominant/confident and submissive/passive types. The former tend to be those that society regards as attractive and therefore have better social standing and the confidence that comes with being treated better by society. The latter tend to be forced into their type purely because society disregards their confidence as "being creepy" or other negative interpretations of behaviour. While confidence is something that is present in everyone, only one group of people are encouraged to display it.

[Cataluna]

Probably something to the effect that he actually sympathises with Incel shooters to some degree but he's still sane enough to know saying that out loud would probably not be smart.

It just a joke, they're not being serious.

It's just a joke, just a joke...

Don't let it faze you. Pity instead those who don't want your pity. The incel was once someone insecure who made that insecurity their identity. Some things you can do if you want to make a positive difference include:
Being gracious and supportive to young men in your life
Not engaging with incels (I know this is NSG, but still)
Being more open and honest about how toxic sexuality affects our culture

[Costa Fierro]

Alphas and Betas do exist, but the dichotomy is entirely constructed. The ideal brought by hegemonic masculinity is the "alpha" state, whereas alternative masculinities form a sort of "beta" class. Toxic masculinity, then, is the process of alpha-ification which results from the fear of descending into the beta class.

Oh it's the favourite feminist term "toxic masculinity" shoved inside a conversation where it doesn't belong.

[New haven america]

The alpha-beta paradigm doesn't really exist but there are dominant/confident and submissive/passive types. The former tend to be those that society regards as attractive and therefore have better social standing and the confidence that comes with being treated better by society. The latter tend to be forced into their type purely because society disregards their confidence as "being creepy" or other negative interpretations of behaviour. While confidence is something that is present in everyone, only one group of people are encouraged to display it.

Why aren't you going your own way yet!?

[Cannot think of a name]

I'd like to wear my flat cap more often but I don't want to look like a hipster or alt-righty.

I'm pretty sure women are able to get away with weird fashion easier than men can.

Yeah. True. I have fashion friends who showed me that it's all the fault of this one dude and, contrary to what I would have thought, the "Dandy" movement. The best part of learning all that was that there was a thing called "The War of the Dudes" which is an awesome name regardless of what it is, but it turned out it was two socialite motherfuckers who ran themselves into poverty out dressing each other but in muted ways when prior to this dude (in the old sense of the term and not the cool current California sense) men of society at least wore all sorts of fancy ass weird shit and it was cool. I can't remember the guy's name but if you work back from "War of the Dudes" you might be able to find it. It's fucking nuts. Rich people...

[Heloin]

I'd like to wear my flat cap more often but I don't want to look like a hipster or alt-righty.

I'm pretty sure women are able to get away with weird fashion easier than men can.

Definitely. Though the problem is how I normally dress I'm fairly androgynous, even when I'm wearing my Kilt.

[Costa Fierro]

Not engaging with incels (I know this is NSG, but still)

So to help those who suffer from a lack of social skills and the associated isolation is to isolate them even more?

[Cataluna]

Oh it's the favourite feminist term "toxic masculinity" shoved inside a conversation where it doesn't belong.

You not liking feminist terminology doesn't make it an invalid interpretation /shrug

[Cataluna]

Not engaging with incels (I know this is NSG, but still)

So to help those who suffer from a lack of social skills and the associated isolation is to isolate them even more?

Engaging them in a public forum will inevitably lead to their victim complex being strengthened. What's better, if you feel so inclined, is to reach out to them privately.