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Aclion
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Postby Aclion » Wed May 08, 2019 9:07 pm

Alpha beta don't even exist in wolves.
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Grenartia
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Postby Grenartia » Wed May 08, 2019 9:14 pm

Xmara wrote:I think those terms are stupid and I hate when people on the internet tell me that I must only be attracted to big, buff jerk jock-types (aka alphas) because I am female, and apparently all women are attracted to big, buff jerk jocks.


I have a suspicion the only reason any woman goes after them (other than the intimidation factor) is because society conditions them into thinking they are their "ideal" partners, in much the same way that society conditions men into thinking a blonde haired, blue eyed, lightly tanned, skimpily-clad woman with DD breasts is their "ideal" partner.

Eternal Lotharia wrote:
Grenartia wrote:
I guess I'm proof otherwise.



Fam, if anyone here is larping, its you.



On the contrary, incels are very much relevant to the topic at hand. Hence why you brought them up in the first place.

Incels do damage society. They are sexist and hostile.


Oh, I know. I openly admit that up until I was in 10th grade, I used to be sexist, and I did resent women (but only the ones I found attractive, I viewed the 'unattractive' ones as being not worth my attention at all) for not being into me like they were with the 'big buff jocks'. I have since realized the error of my ways, thank god.

...Though I'll admit the first time ever someone brought them up to me I thought they just meant Virgins.

Man I felt stupid after some research.


I'm actually kinda surprised at how common this misconception is.
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Kaystein
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Postby Kaystein » Wed May 08, 2019 9:17 pm

Eternal Lotharia wrote:
Kaystein wrote:It sounds like you need to reach out and find new social circles. You interact with fascists too much. Point for that being, I've don't see the word "cuck" used outside of the alt-right, or trolls in general. Most normal people have enough self-respect to find better language.

RP forum baby. :p

Also, I see this argument on Breitbart all the time while I study them, which means it's become a political argument widely accepted by the Right.

Breitbart is the 2nd most popular Republican news site


Brietbart and OKCupid aren't great websites to visit frequently.

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Heloin
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Postby Heloin » Wed May 08, 2019 9:17 pm

Grenartia wrote:
Xmara wrote:I think those terms are stupid and I hate when people on the internet tell me that I must only be attracted to big, buff jerk jock-types (aka alphas) because I am female, and apparently all women are attracted to big, buff jerk jocks.


I have a suspicion the only reason any woman goes after them (other than the intimidation factor) is because society conditions them into thinking they are their "ideal" partners, in much the same way that society conditions men into thinking a blonde haired, blue eyed, lightly tanned, skimpily-clad woman with DD breasts is their "ideal" partner.

Flat girls are were it's at :p

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Kowani
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Postby Kowani » Wed May 08, 2019 9:19 pm

Heloin wrote:
Grenartia wrote:
I have a suspicion the only reason any woman goes after them (other than the intimidation factor) is because society conditions them into thinking they are their "ideal" partners, in much the same way that society conditions men into thinking a blonde haired, blue eyed, lightly tanned, skimpily-clad woman with DD breasts is their "ideal" partner.

Flat girls are were it's at :p

This but unironically.
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Heloin
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Postby Heloin » Wed May 08, 2019 9:19 pm

Kowani wrote:
Heloin wrote:Flat girls are were it's at :p

This but unironically.

You think I'm being ironic?

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Kowani
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Postby Kowani » Wed May 08, 2019 9:24 pm

Heloin wrote:
Kowani wrote:This but unironically.

You think I'm being ironic?

I take anything with:p as irony.

Eternal Lotharia wrote:
Kowani wrote:This but unironically.

Eh, it depends. It can look great on some people, or bad on others m8.

I’ve yet to fall in love with any girl who wasn’t flat, so…
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Postby Kowani » Wed May 08, 2019 9:26 pm

Eternal Lotharia wrote:
Kowani wrote:I take anything with:p as irony.


I’ve yet to fall in love with any girl who wasn’t flat, so…

Eh, I've had both.

There’s no accounting for taste. :p
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Postby Slotted Floppies » Wed May 08, 2019 9:26 pm

Eternal Lotharia wrote:
Grenartia wrote:
I guess I'm proof otherwise.



Fam, if anyone here is larping, its you.



On the contrary, incels are very much relevant to the topic at hand. Hence why you brought them up in the first place.

Incels do damage society. They are sexist and hostile.

...Though I'll admit the first time ever someone brought them up to me I thought they just meant Virgins.

Man I felt stupid after some research.


Incels don’t damage society.
Societies that include women are damaging to everyone, incels are just an example of the damage it’s socially justifiable to abuse.
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Saiwania
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Postby Saiwania » Wed May 08, 2019 9:27 pm

I would say it definitely exists. Just like the "friend zone" exists. Only I have to clarify that none of this stuff exists in any literal sense, it is more metaphor. These are primarily just derogatory situations for people to find themselves in. Someone can become more "alpha" just as someone's tendency can be more "beta." Someone who's waited too long to make their feelings toward someone clear, is more likely to be "just friends" with them at best.

It doesn't necessarily have to be a physical thing to be recognized as apart of what's observed or common to real life.
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Heloin
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Postby Heloin » Wed May 08, 2019 9:27 pm

Eternal Lotharia wrote:
Kowani wrote:This but unironically.

Eh, it depends. It can look great on some people, or bad on others m8.

Image

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Kowani
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Postby Kowani » Wed May 08, 2019 9:29 pm

Slotted Floppies wrote:
Eternal Lotharia wrote:Incels do damage society. They are sexist and hostile.

...Though I'll admit the first time ever someone brought them up to me I thought they just meant Virgins.

Man I felt stupid after some research.


Incels don’t damage society.
Societies that include women are damaging to everyone, incels are just an example of the damage it’s socially justifiable to abuse.

…How is including women damaging to everyone?
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Kowani
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Postby Kowani » Wed May 08, 2019 9:32 pm

Eternal Lotharia wrote:
Kowani wrote:There’s no accounting for taste. :p

*Stabs* :p

Being stabbed is antithetical to pleasure.
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Aglanen
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Postby Aglanen » Wed May 08, 2019 9:35 pm

No, I don't. And the sweeping majority of people who propagate this garbage have done more than enough to prove that they are suffering from some very serious mental issues. If I were king of the world for a day, I would send them to the ward. Not out of spite per se, but because I think they are genuinely so screwed up that professional help in an isolated environment is the only course of action could have any beneficial impact on their lives. Before they become a danger to both themselves and others.

With the heavy amount of criminal cases and even terrorism associated with incels, I don't see why we should look at them any different than we would with pedophiles or psychopaths.
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Heloin
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Postby Heloin » Wed May 08, 2019 9:35 pm

Kowani wrote:
Slotted Floppies wrote:
Incels don’t damage society.
Societies that include women are damaging to everyone, incels are just an example of the damage it’s socially justifiable to abuse.

…How is including women damaging to everyone?

I'm not giving up everything I want, becoming a chaste straight virgin, and marrying guys "on my level".

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Grenartia
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Postby Grenartia » Wed May 08, 2019 9:35 pm

Slotted Floppies wrote:
Eternal Lotharia wrote:Incels do damage society. They are sexist and hostile.

...Though I'll admit the first time ever someone brought them up to me I thought they just meant Virgins.

Man I felt stupid after some research.


Incels don’t damage society.


If not for incels, Elliot Rodger and the copycats wouldn't have happened.

Societies that include women are damaging to everyone,


God, that is such a fucking thermonuclear hot, galaxy brain take.

incels are just an example of the damage it’s socially justifiable to abuse.


Maybe if incels stopped having inherently negative and derogatory views of women, they wouldn't be called out for having those views. Any "abuse" is brought on yourselves.
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Postby Slotted Floppies » Wed May 08, 2019 9:35 pm

Kowani wrote:
Slotted Floppies wrote:
Incels don’t damage society.
Societies that include women are damaging to everyone, incels are just an example of the damage it’s socially justifiable to abuse.

…How is including women damaging to everyone?



Women consistently vote to increase the welfare state.
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The Rich Port
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Postby The Rich Port » Wed May 08, 2019 9:36 pm

Slotted Floppies wrote:As likely the only Incel on NSG it pains me every time I have to read about alphas and betas.

It’s like people are incapable of evaluating everything as good/bad.


... Most likely because, except for you, to incels, being a chad is good and being an omega is bad, and that's how it emerged in r/incel and the Incel "community"?

It's only now that people are ridiculing it that I've seen a reversal on it.

Incel isn't just being involuntarily celibate, not anymore.
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Postby Grenartia » Wed May 08, 2019 9:38 pm

Eternal Lotharia wrote:
Slotted Floppies wrote:

Women consistently vote to increase the welfare state.

:roll:

So helping people harms society.

Not contradictory at all.


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Postby Slotted Floppies » Wed May 08, 2019 9:39 pm

The Rich Port wrote:
Slotted Floppies wrote:As likely the only Incel on NSG it pains me every time I have to read about alphas and betas.

It’s like people are incapable of evaluating everything as good/bad.


... Most likely because, except for you, to incels, being a chad is good and being an omega is bad, and that's how it emerged in r/incel and the Incel "community"?

It's only now that people are ridiculing it that I've seen a reversal on it.

Incel isn't just being involuntarily celibate, not anymore.


No there’s also having discriminatory and entirely accurate opinions of women.
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Postby Slotted Floppies » Wed May 08, 2019 9:39 pm

Eternal Lotharia wrote:
Slotted Floppies wrote:

Women consistently vote to increase the welfare state.

:roll:

So helping people harms society.

Not contradictory at all.


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The Rich Port
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Postby The Rich Port » Wed May 08, 2019 9:39 pm

Slotted Floppies wrote:
Eternal Lotharia wrote:Incels do damage society. They are sexist and hostile.

...Though I'll admit the first time ever someone brought them up to me I thought they just meant Virgins.

Man I felt stupid after some research.


Incels don’t damage society.
Societies that include women are damaging to everyone, incels are just an example of the damage it’s socially justifiable to abuse.


Breh... What the fuck.

So... Every society?

Because you would die out eventually because males can't reproduce?
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Heloin
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Postby Heloin » Wed May 08, 2019 9:40 pm

Slotted Floppies wrote:
The Rich Port wrote:
... Most likely because, except for you, to incels, being a chad is good and being an omega is bad, and that's how it emerged in r/incel and the Incel "community"?

It's only now that people are ridiculing it that I've seen a reversal on it.

Incel isn't just being involuntarily celibate, not anymore.


No there’s also having discriminatory and entirely accurate opinions of women.

Sounds like your opinions on women could use some work.

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Kowani
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Postby Kowani » Wed May 08, 2019 9:40 pm

Slotted Floppies wrote:
Kowani wrote:…How is including women damaging to everyone?



Women consistently vote to increase the welfare state.

…You know who you’re talking to, right?
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Postby Slotted Floppies » Wed May 08, 2019 9:41 pm

The Rich Port wrote:
Slotted Floppies wrote:
Incels don’t damage society.
Societies that include women are damaging to everyone, incels are just an example of the damage it’s socially justifiable to abuse.


Breh... What the fuck.


So... Every society?

Because you would die out eventually because males can't reproduce?



We aren’t far off from artificial wombs, axolotyl tanks or any other non female method of obtaining children.
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