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Postby Eternal Lotharia » Sat May 11, 2019 12:04 pm

The South Falls wrote:
Eternal Lotharia wrote:That or they make a mistake.

A lot of child porn legally speaking, is just teenagers sending sexually explicit pics or images of themselves.

I ain't defending child porn, but I'd just like to say it can cause more harm than the already traumatic stuff commonly associated with it, often it can ruin people's lives cuz they were a horny teenager and sent a lewd image or video. So that can be harmful too.

There's a difference between a 14yr old sending nudes, and a 9or 10yr old being forced upon by an older man on camera.

Of course, I was making a distinction explicitly to make that clear of how both types of legally recognized child porn can harm people's lives.

It's a serious issue we need to confront.
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Postby Cekoviu » Sat May 11, 2019 12:04 pm

Ifreann wrote:
Kowani wrote:So, tell me, how would you fix it?

Nuke the world to purge capitalism, talk to dolphins, wait for alien comrades to deliver the technology for space communism.


Eternal Lotharia wrote:Uploading personal porn to a porn site is as cringy as it sounds freedom of speech when done on a appropriate site.

In the same way that posting minion memes on Facebook is free speech. It isn't. You don't have a right to use Facebook, or Nation States, or Pornhub.

I think it should be legally mandated in every country that everybody over 18 has the right to use Pornhub, for the good of the nation
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Postby Eternal Lotharia » Sat May 11, 2019 12:06 pm

Cekoviu wrote:
Ifreann wrote:Nuke the world to purge capitalism, talk to dolphins, wait for alien comrades to deliver the technology for space communism.



In the same way that posting minion memes on Facebook is free speech. It isn't. You don't have a right to use Facebook, or Nation States, or Pornhub.

I think it should be legally mandated in every country that everybody over 18 has the right to use Pornhub, for the good of the nation

Honestly, in a non-memey way I agree.

However the law I proposed to deal with the issues arising from that should be applied, so that we can avoid some terrible mistakes, of course with some more details to refine it.
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Postby Ifreann » Sat May 11, 2019 12:07 pm

Cekoviu wrote:
Ifreann wrote:Nuke the world to purge capitalism, talk to dolphins, wait for alien comrades to deliver the technology for space communism.



In the same way that posting minion memes on Facebook is free speech. It isn't. You don't have a right to use Facebook, or Nation States, or Pornhub.

I think it should be legally mandated in every country that everybody over 18 has the right to use Pornhub, for the good of the nation

The sacred right to show the internet your bum.
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Postby Eternal Lotharia » Sat May 11, 2019 12:08 pm

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Cekoviu wrote:I think it should be legally mandated in every country that everybody over 18 has the right to use Pornhub, for the good of the nation

The sacred right to show the internet your bum.

The sacred right to willingly embarrass yourself.

It's a right yeah, but...You do you dude. :p
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Postby Novus America » Sat May 11, 2019 12:09 pm

Galloism wrote:
Hatterleigh wrote:wdym? Should it be a national decision?

How is it a federal problem?

I mean this seriously. Let's assume pornography is harmful to the individual (no evidence has found that on the net, but let's go with it).

How is it the problem of the state, and by that, I mean the government?

And while you think about that, I want you to ponder this image:

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“Fast food, it concluded, contained on average 33% fewer calories than more formal restaurant meals.”
https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.cnn.co ... index.html

Actually “Fast Food” is often more “healthy” than the food at other restaurants.
But here is the thing.
You can eat at McDonalds every day an lose weight. Or eat at it every day and gain weight.

Obviously if you eat two large double quarter pounder meals a day with a non diet juice or soda, yeah, unless you do Michael Phelps like workouts you are probably getting fat.

Neither porn nor fast food are inherently bad, in moderation, if you are educated regarding the impacts.
The solution is education, not authoritarian bans.
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Postby Ifreann » Sat May 11, 2019 12:13 pm

Eternal Lotharia wrote:
Ifreann wrote:The sacred right to show the internet your bum.

The sacred right to willingly embarrass yourself.

It's a right yeah, but...You do you dude. :p

It isn't a right, though.
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Postby Mestovakia » Sat May 11, 2019 12:16 pm

Borovan entered the region as he wrote:Porn bad it desensitizes people and make it hard to have sex with person because you need higher stimuli to get a turn on and there's a higher chance you'll turn into a pedohile


Uh...what?

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Postby Novus America » Sat May 11, 2019 12:23 pm

Cekoviu wrote:
Hammer Britannia wrote:How about not restrict people's right to consume and/or use material in their own house?

Then you get into the issue of child pornography and other pornography created without consent, though - consuming such products should not be allowed.


Indeed. Consuming products made by abused children should be banned.
Now when are we banning Chinese clothing?

Sure we need to stop the worst labor abuses, but the average sex worker in the west is treated better than the average Chinese factory worker. Forced labor, child labor, abuse of workers is bad. But global trade actively encourages it.
Yes we should try to do something about it (but we obviously will not because muh “free trade”) but this is not exclusively a porn issue.
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Postby Cekoviu » Sat May 11, 2019 12:34 pm

Novus America wrote:
Cekoviu wrote:Then you get into the issue of child pornography and other pornography created without consent, though - consuming such products should not be allowed.


Indeed. Consuming products made by abused children should be banned.
Now when are we banning Chinese clothing?

I'm not certain that China is proportionally the biggest offender in that regard. It seems like Bangladesh and Indonesia are probably worse, as there are an abundance of low-paid adult Chinese workers.
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Postby Novus America » Sat May 11, 2019 12:39 pm

Cekoviu wrote:
Novus America wrote:
Indeed. Consuming products made by abused children should be banned.
Now when are we banning Chinese clothing?

I'm not certain that China is proportionally the biggest offender in that regard. It seems like Bangladesh and Indonesia are probably worse, as there are an abundance of low-paid adult Chinese workers.


Well biggest offender as percentage or total amount of goods?
Regardless abusing and enslaving adults is not really better. They are certainly the worst offender in total amounts of goods produced that blatantly violate our labor protection laws.
But sure they are not the only ones.

The point is that just because some porn is made unethically does not mean all porn is unethical, just as clothes are not inherently unethical even if nearly all our clothes are sourced via a truly vile process.
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Postby Cekoviu » Sat May 11, 2019 1:06 pm

Novus America wrote:
Cekoviu wrote:I'm not certain that China is proportionally the biggest offender in that regard. It seems like Bangladesh and Indonesia are probably worse, as there are an abundance of low-paid adult Chinese workers.


Well biggest offender as percentage or total amount of goods?

I said proportionally, so what do you think?
Regardless abusing and enslaving adults is not really better. They are certainly the worst offender in total amounts of goods produced that blatantly violate our labor protection laws.
But sure they are not the only ones.

The point is that just because some porn is made unethically does not mean all porn is unethical, just as clothes are not inherently unethically even if nearly all our clothes are sourced via a truly vile process.

I mean yeah, I was just nitpicking because I'm super bored.
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Postby The South Falls » Sat May 11, 2019 1:12 pm

Eternal Lotharia wrote:
The South Falls wrote:There's a difference between a 14yr old sending nudes, and a 9or 10yr old being forced upon by an older man on camera.

Of course, I was making a distinction explicitly to make that clear of how both types of legally recognized child porn can harm people's lives.

It's a serious issue we need to confront.

of course.
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Postby Thermodolia » Sat May 11, 2019 2:28 pm

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Inkopolitia wrote:If the users upload the pirated videos, Pornhub can't be blamed. The pirated videos should still be fought against by deleting them though

Pornhub absolutely can be blamed. It's their website, they decide who can upload what videos. They could limit uploads to verified performers and companies.

Let’s just fuck the amateur porn community! What a great idea Iffy, it’s not like anyone will hate your idea
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Postby The Two Jerseys » Sat May 11, 2019 2:33 pm

Thermodolia wrote:Let’s just fuck the amateur porn community!

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Postby Thermodolia » Sat May 11, 2019 2:36 pm

Ifreann wrote:
Inkopolitia wrote:If the users upload the pirated videos, Pornhub can't be blamed. The pirated videos should still be fought against by deleting them though

Pornhub absolutely can be blamed. It's their website, they decide who can upload what videos. They could limit uploads to verified performers and companies.

Let’s just fuck the amateur porn community! What a great idea Iffy, it’s not like anyone will hate your idea
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Postby Mystic Warriors » Sat May 11, 2019 2:38 pm

Ifreann wrote:
Inkopolitia wrote:If the users upload the pirated videos, Pornhub can't be blamed. The pirated videos should still be fought against by deleting them though

Pornhub absolutely can be blamed. It's their website, they decide who can upload what videos. They could limit uploads to verified performers and companies.



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Postby Ifreann » Sat May 11, 2019 2:58 pm

Thermodolia wrote:
Ifreann wrote:Pornhub absolutely can be blamed. It's their website, they decide who can upload what videos. They could limit uploads to verified performers and companies.

Let’s just fuck the amateur porn community!

Let's make sure that they're making money from their work, not just Pornhub.
What a great idea Iffy, it’s not like anyone will hate your idea

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Postby Cekoviu » Sat May 11, 2019 3:15 pm

Thermodolia wrote:
Ifreann wrote:Pornhub absolutely can be blamed. It's their website, they decide who can upload what videos. They could limit uploads to verified performers and companies.

Let’s just fuck the amateur porn community!

Yes, let's do that.
But more importantly, there are other websites where amateurs can post content. Pornhub is the biggest outlet, but by no means the only one.
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Postby Mettaton-EX » Sat May 11, 2019 4:25 pm

Thermodolia wrote:
Ifreann wrote:Pornhub absolutely can be blamed. It's their website, they decide who can upload what videos. They could limit uploads to verified performers and companies.

Let’s just fuck the amateur porn community! What a great idea Iffy, it’s not like anyone will hate your idea

well, people seem to be fine with pornhub despite that being their entire business model, so
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