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PostPosted: Sat May 11, 2019 10:10 am
by Loben The 2nd
Genivaria wrote:
Costa Fierro wrote:
Porn is free.

So is sex.

Depends on how you look at it.

PostPosted: Sat May 11, 2019 10:11 am
by Internationalist Bastard
Inkopolitia wrote:
Ifreann wrote:Doing good things doesn't make it okay when they do bad things.

If the users upload the pirated videos, Pornhub can't be blamed. The pirated videos should still be fought against by deleting them though

Porn actually takes its copyright very seriously
Many sites even have clauses when you sign up for them saying that if you share paid content you’ll have your account deleted and face possible legal action

PostPosted: Sat May 11, 2019 10:20 am
by Kowani
Internationalist Bastard wrote:
Inkopolitia wrote:If the users upload the pirated videos, Pornhub can't be blamed. The pirated videos should still be fought against by deleting them though

Porn actually takes its copyright very seriously
Many sites even have clauses when you sign up for them saying that if you share paid content you’ll have your account deleted and face possible legal action

Seriously. YouTube wishes it could be half as effective.

PostPosted: Sat May 11, 2019 10:23 am
by Ifreann
Inkopolitia wrote:
Ifreann wrote:Doing good things doesn't make it okay when they do bad things.

If the users upload the pirated videos, Pornhub can't be blamed. The pirated videos should still be fought against by deleting them though

Pornhub absolutely can be blamed. It's their website, they decide who can upload what videos. They could limit uploads to verified performers and companies.

PostPosted: Sat May 11, 2019 10:23 am
by Eternal Lotharia
Kowani wrote:
Internationalist Bastard wrote:Porn actually takes its copyright very seriously
Many sites even have clauses when you sign up for them saying that if you share paid content you’ll have your account deleted and face possible legal action

Seriously. YouTube wishes it could be half as effective.

As a former Youtuber and moderately knowledgeable of YT drama, I agree.


....Imagine Pornhub if it had YT drama. :lol:

PostPosted: Sat May 11, 2019 10:24 am
by Conserative Morality
Ifreann wrote:
Inkopolitia wrote:If the users upload the pirated videos, Pornhub can't be blamed. The pirated videos should still be fought against by deleting them though

Pornhub absolutely can be blamed. It's their website, they decide who can upload what videos. They could limit uploads to verified performers and companies.

w e w

PostPosted: Sat May 11, 2019 10:26 am
by Kowani
Ifreann wrote:
Inkopolitia wrote:If the users upload the pirated videos, Pornhub can't be blamed. The pirated videos should still be fought against by deleting them though

Pornhub absolutely can be blamed. It's their website, they decide who can upload what videos. They could limit uploads to verified performers and companies.

Yes, because verifying performers is definitely not something that can possibly be abused. No...

PostPosted: Sat May 11, 2019 10:27 am
by Eternal Lotharia
Ifreann wrote:
Inkopolitia wrote:If the users upload the pirated videos, Pornhub can't be blamed. The pirated videos should still be fought against by deleting them though

Pornhub absolutely can be blamed. It's their website, they decide who can upload what videos. They could limit uploads to verified performers and companies.

No, I find that too strict.

Pornhub was founded on the idea anyone can upload their porn, like Youtube.

It would destroy the very foundation of Pornhub and cause a crisis in the porn market as people search for a new site for their homemade porn to be uploaded.

The problem with Pornhub isn't in their company or their idea, but rather inevitability of letting people upload homemade porn resulting in some piracy. However I argue that that right should be held sacrosanct for uploaders, however I do believe a team or bots could be made to analyze if things were pirated.

PostPosted: Sat May 11, 2019 10:36 am
by Genivaria
Loben The 2nd wrote:
Genivaria wrote:So is sex.

Depends on how you look at it.

Not really, unless you're talking about prostitution.

PostPosted: Sat May 11, 2019 10:39 am
by Skyhooked
I'll take a wild guess, that those folks who started this denounce thingy are just somehow unable to enjoy the porn, so they got jealous and envious and decided to spoil the party for others.

But seriously, yes, porn has some undesirable side effects (like everything in our life, pleasant or not), but "health crisis"? That's just a hell of an exaggeration. Heck it even actually reduces STD cases and rapes. As for "Greater good" and freedom thingy...

Ol' Franklin from 100 dollars is right: Great care must be taken, when we trade freedom for safety. Otherwise, government will screw us over and we will have neither.

And yes, victimless acts gotta be legalized! Yay!

PostPosted: Sat May 11, 2019 10:42 am
by The South Falls
Skyhooked wrote:I'll take a wild guess, that those folks who started this denounce thingy are just somehow unable to enjoy the porn, so they got jealous and envious and decided to spoil the party for others.

But seriously, yes, porn has some undesirable side effects (like everything in our life, pleasant or not), but "health crisis"? That's just a hell of an exaggeration. Heck it even actually reduces STD cases and rapes. As for "Greater good" and freedom thingy...

Ol' Franklin from 100 dollars is right: Great care must be taken, when we trade freedom for safety. Otherwise, government will screw us over and we will have neither.

And yes, victimless acts gotta be legalized! Yay!

Most likely another showing of tipper gore.

PostPosted: Sat May 11, 2019 10:43 am
by Teshlon
What’s a bigger threat to health,

Porn or fatty fast food and promoting it actively to children?

Porn shouldn’t be viewed by minors, period. We already have federal laws that make it illegal for minors to possess produce or view pornography. See USC 2257

PostPosted: Sat May 11, 2019 10:43 am
by Eternal Lotharia
Teshlon wrote:What’s a bigger threat to health,

Porn or fatty fast food and promoting it actively to children?

Porn shouldn’t be viewed by minors, period. We already have federal laws that make it illegal for minors to possess produce or view pornography. See USC 2257

Keep your hands off our porn and my fast food! :p

PostPosted: Sat May 11, 2019 10:44 am
by The South Falls
Teshlon wrote:What’s a bigger threat to health,

Porn or fatty fast food and promoting it actively to children?

Porn shouldn’t be viewed by minors, period. We already have federal laws that make it illegal for minors to possess produce or view pornography. See USC 2257

Wow. The law says you can't click on something. But no one is enforcing it.

PostPosted: Sat May 11, 2019 10:44 am
by The South Falls
Eternal Lotharia wrote:
Teshlon wrote:What’s a bigger threat to health,

Porn or fatty fast food and promoting it actively to children?

Porn shouldn’t be viewed by minors, period. We already have federal laws that make it illegal for minors to possess produce or view pornography. See USC 2257

Keep your hands off our porn and my fast food! :p

If I want to be a thicc boy, I'll be a thicc boy.

PostPosted: Sat May 11, 2019 10:45 am
by Ifreann
Kowani wrote:
Ifreann wrote:Pornhub absolutely can be blamed. It's their website, they decide who can upload what videos. They could limit uploads to verified performers and companies.

Yes, because verifying performers is definitely not something that can possibly be abused. No...

Weird, I don't remember saying that I was proposing a perfect solution.


Eternal Lotharia wrote:
Ifreann wrote:Pornhub absolutely can be blamed. It's their website, they decide who can upload what videos. They could limit uploads to verified performers and companies.

No, I find that too strict.

Pornhub was founded on the idea anyone can upload their porn, like Youtube.

Pornhub is a for-profit enterprise. It exists to make money.

It would destroy the very foundation of Pornhub and cause a crisis in the porn market as people search for a new site for their homemade porn to be uploaded.

Taking steps to ensure that sex workers at least get a share of the money Pornhub makes from their videos would certainly cause ructions, but the alternative is to let Pornhub make money off other people's labour with no compensation.

The problem with Pornhub isn't in their company or their idea, but rather inevitability of letting people upload homemade porn resulting in some piracy. However I argue that that right should be held sacrosanct for uploaders, however I do believe a team or bots could be made to analyze if things were pirated.

I don't know why you're framing this a question of the right of people to put porn on Pornhub. That is absurd. You no more have a right to upload to Pornhub than you have a right to post on NSG. This is a matter of workers being paid for their labour, of creators earning money form their creation.

PostPosted: Sat May 11, 2019 10:46 am
by Teshlon
Kowani wrote:
Ifreann wrote:Pornhub absolutely can be blamed. It's their website, they decide who can upload what videos. They could limit uploads to verified performers and companies.

Yes, because verifying performers is definitely not something that can possibly be abused. No...


Again, a website should abide to the terms of USC2257 by having a records custodian who verified the age and identity of performers in a porn film.

Most legitimate porn businesses in the US have an active 2257 custodian of records.

Is pornography addiction a problem for some, yes.

Do we need to call it a public health crisis, no, these government buffoons are going overboard.

What they’re doing is like saying OH MY GOD THERES A BOMB ON THE PLANE, when the person checked a bag containing party poppers.

Can the government stop being so over reactive?

Reactionary politics is only going to drive this country down a darker road than we are already on.

PostPosted: Sat May 11, 2019 10:48 am
by Skyhooked
The South Falls wrote:Most likely another showing of tipper gore.


Tipper Gore? I ain't from USA, so... who's that? I've read something on Wikipedia, but there might be something more. And... I am against censorship.

PostPosted: Sat May 11, 2019 10:52 am
by The South Falls
Skyhooked wrote:
The South Falls wrote:Most likely another showing of tipper gore.


Tipper Gore? I ain't from USA, so... who's that? I've read something on Wikipedia, but there might be something more.

tipper gore is the wife of al gore. prior to this, she attempted to curtail the production of many types of rap, citing their supposed degeneracy. Now, when the government attempts to regulate some controversial issue, we say it's tipper gore.

PostPosted: Sat May 11, 2019 11:03 am
by Inkopolitia
Ifreann wrote:
Inkopolitia wrote:If the users upload the pirated videos, Pornhub can't be blamed. The pirated videos should still be fought against by deleting them though

Pornhub absolutely can be blamed. It's their website, they decide who can upload what videos. They could limit uploads to verified performers and companies.

Look up the Safe Harbour Law. As long as PornHub is trying to do something about it, the company can't be held responsible. Someone else mentioned how porn sites take piracy very seriously too.

PostPosted: Sat May 11, 2019 11:14 am
by Ifreann
Inkopolitia wrote:
Ifreann wrote:Pornhub absolutely can be blamed. It's their website, they decide who can upload what videos. They could limit uploads to verified performers and companies.

Look up the Safe Harbour Law. As long as PornHub is trying to do something about it, the company can't be held responsible.

Not by the law. I can hold them responsible all I want.
Someone else mentioned how porn sites take piracy very seriously too.

So seriously that they continue to allow it until they're made to do something about it.

PostPosted: Sat May 11, 2019 11:15 am
by Inkopolitia
Ifreann wrote:
Inkopolitia wrote:Look up the Safe Harbour Law. As long as PornHub is trying to do something about it, the company can't be held responsible.

Not by the law. I can hold them responsible all I want.
Someone else mentioned how porn sites take piracy very seriously too.

So seriously that they continue to allow it until they're made to do something about it.

That's fine, I guess. I don't believe that they can be painted in a badimage because they're doing something about it.

PostPosted: Sat May 11, 2019 11:16 am
by Gormwood
Wait... how do you know which porn is pirated?

PostPosted: Sat May 11, 2019 11:21 am
by Ifreann
Gormwood wrote:Wait... how do you know porn is pirated?

Reading about it.

PostPosted: Sat May 11, 2019 11:25 am
by Kowani
Ifreann wrote:
Inkopolitia wrote:Look up the Safe Harbour Law. As long as PornHub is trying to do something about it, the company can't be held responsible.

Not by the law. I can hold them responsible all I want.
Someone else mentioned how porn sites take piracy very seriously too.

So seriously that they continue to allow it until they're made to do something about it.

Yes, this is textbook capitalism.