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Ors Might
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Postby Ors Might » Sun Jun 02, 2019 7:04 pm

Tobleste wrote:
Ors Might wrote:Typically, the absence of guns have never helped minorities of any kind. Lynchings, for example, were typically done with the commonly abailable tools of rope and farming equipment. Your gun control would have done shit for dick to protect them. Your logic here is akin to declawing animals to make cats safer against packs of Rottweilers.

With a totally heartfelt speech about how horrified you are and how anyone that doesn’t want knife regulation has no problem whatsoever with people dying. Seems to be your M.O for gun violence.


And if guns were available in the civil rights era, they'd have been fine? Was the 2nd amendment passed in 1990?

Except knives are used for things other than killing people. Guns, not so much. Besides, if knives and guns are the same, why do you need guns? Your arguments for guns have already come down to them being much more dangerous than knives so you know the comparison is garbage.

Do I think it would have been better for blacks in the civil rights era to have had a fighting chance against lynch mobs? Hell fucking yeah I do. On that note, friendly reminder that gun control has often been used to disarm minority groups often victimized by violence from their oppressors.

As are guns. Because a guy much bigger than me will also hade a gun. The fact that guns are better at killing things means that I, someone physically weaker than the average person, will have more of a fighting chance if I possess one. Yes, even if my attacker has a gun. Why? Because my ability to defend myself is maximized if I own a gun. That holds true in every scenario, bar none. Or are you going to claim that I’d find it easier to defend myself unarmed?
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Postby Ors Might » Sun Jun 02, 2019 7:06 pm

Hammer Britannia wrote:
Washington Resistance Army wrote:
I actually entirely agree. Cracking down hard on fast food would do more to save American lives and make us healthier than just about anything else.

Can we at least keep Whataburger?

No? OK

I’d be fine with keeping Chick-Fil-A and David’s Burgers, personally.
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Postby Kowani » Sun Jun 02, 2019 7:07 pm

Communist Zombie Horde wrote:
Kowani wrote:Freedom to poison others is not worth having.

It's typical for a socialist to support complete regulation of lives but can you turn down the edgyness?

1:Not socialist.
2. You’re a neoreactionary, you have no leg to stand on when it comes to edgyness.
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Postby Communist Zombie Horde » Sun Jun 02, 2019 7:12 pm

Kowani wrote:
Communist Zombie Horde wrote:It's typical for a socialist to support complete regulation of lives but can you turn down the edgyness?

1:Not socialist.
2. You’re a neoreactionary, you have no leg to stand on when it comes to edgyness.

Neoreaction is not edgy.
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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Sun Jun 02, 2019 7:13 pm

Communist Zombie Horde wrote:
Kowani wrote:1:Not socialist.
2. You’re a neoreactionary, you have no leg to stand on when it comes to edgyness.

Neoreaction is not edgy.


It's super edgy.
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Postby Hammer Britannia » Sun Jun 02, 2019 7:13 pm

Communist Zombie Horde wrote:
Kowani wrote:1:Not socialist.
2. You’re a neoreactionary, you have no leg to stand on when it comes to edgyness.

Neoreaction is not edgy.

Let's see... Ah, I found it

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Postby Kowani » Sun Jun 02, 2019 7:14 pm

Ors Might wrote:
Hammer Britannia wrote:Can we at least keep Whataburger?

No? OK

I’d be fine with keeping Chick-Fil-A and David’s Burgers, personally.

Fuck Chik-Fil-A.
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Postby Ors Might » Sun Jun 02, 2019 7:16 pm

Communist Zombie Horde wrote:
Kowani wrote:1:Not socialist.
2. You’re a neoreactionary, you have no leg to stand on when it comes to edgyness.

Neoreaction is not edgy.

On a scale from painfully vanilla to Marilyn Manson, it’s just shy of every shonen rival with a dark past.
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Postby Ors Might » Sun Jun 02, 2019 7:16 pm

Kowani wrote:
Ors Might wrote:I’d be fine with keeping Chick-Fil-A and David’s Burgers, personally.

Fuck Chik-Fil-A.

Don’t talk shit about my chicken nuggets and waffle fries.
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Postby Kowani » Sun Jun 02, 2019 7:18 pm

Ors Might wrote:
Kowani wrote:Fuck Chik-Fil-A.

Don’t talk shit about my chicken nuggets and waffle fries.

The waffle fries are an abomination, they’re not crispy. The chicken itself is mediocre at best.
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Postby Ors Might » Sun Jun 02, 2019 7:21 pm

Kowani wrote:
Ors Might wrote:Don’t talk shit about my chicken nuggets and waffle fries.

The waffle fries are an abomination, they’re not crispy. The chicken itself is mediocre at best.

There is nothing better to dip in ketchup than those fries, they are a treasure. And those nuggets are the definition of perfection when grilled.
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Postby Kowani » Sun Jun 02, 2019 7:24 pm

Ors Might wrote:
Kowani wrote:The waffle fries are an abomination, they’re not crispy. The chicken itself is mediocre at best.

There is nothing better to dip in ketchup than those fries, they are a treasure.
In the same way that a Deutschmark was a treasure in the Weimar Republic, sure.
Ors Might wrote:And those nuggets are the definition of perfection when grilled.

I don’t eat toxic waste.
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Postby Ors Might » Sun Jun 02, 2019 7:33 pm

Kowani wrote:
Ors Might wrote:There is nothing better to dip in ketchup than those fries, they are a treasure.
In the same way that a Deutschmark was a treasure in the Weimar Republic, sure.
Ors Might wrote:And those nuggets are the definition of perfection when grilled.

I don’t eat toxic waste.

This is why humanity will always be divided. Heathens have poor taste.
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Postby Hammer Britannia » Sun Jun 02, 2019 7:34 pm

Ors Might wrote:
Kowani wrote: In the same way that a Deutschmark was a treasure in the Weimar Republic, sure.

I don’t eat toxic waste.

This is why humanity will always be divided. Heathens have poor taste.

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Postby Kowani » Sun Jun 02, 2019 7:37 pm

Ors Might wrote:
Kowani wrote: In the same way that a Deutschmark was a treasure in the Weimar Republic, sure.

I don’t eat toxic waste.

This is why humanity will always be divided. Heathens have poor taste.

It is not my fault that you enjoy the death of all culinary art.
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Postby Soviet Tankistan » Sun Jun 02, 2019 7:37 pm

What the fuck is happening in my thread?
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Postby Kowani » Sun Jun 02, 2019 7:38 pm

Soviet Tankistan wrote:What the fuck is happening in my thread?

We have improved it.
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Postby Ors Might » Sun Jun 02, 2019 9:21 pm

Kowani wrote:
Ors Might wrote:This is why humanity will always be divided. Heathens have poor taste.

It is not my fault that you enjoy the death of all culinary art.

Art is subjective, unlike your complete and utter lack of a tongue.

Soviet Tankistan wrote:What the fuck is happening in my thread?

We’re talking about the important things in life.
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Postby North German Realm » Sun Jun 02, 2019 10:08 pm

Communist Zombie Horde wrote:
Kowani wrote:1:Not socialist.
2. You’re a neoreactionary, you have no leg to stand on when it comes to edgyness.

Neoreaction is not edgy.

It's the very definition of edgy.
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Postby The Xenopolis Confederation » Mon Jun 03, 2019 1:52 am

Communist Zombie Horde wrote:
Kowani wrote:1:Not socialist.
2. You’re a neoreactionary, you have no leg to stand on when it comes to edgyness.

Neoreaction is not edgy.

While we're on the topic. What does it mean to be a neoreactionary? What is the definition of it when you get down to it?
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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Mon Jun 03, 2019 2:21 am

The Xenopolis Confederation wrote:
Communist Zombie Horde wrote:Neoreaction is not edgy.

While we're on the topic. What does it mean to be a neoreactionary? What is the definition of it when you get down to it?


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Postby Soviet Tankistan » Mon Jun 03, 2019 7:43 am

Here's a reminder, this thread is about authoritarian socialists and gun laws. Relevant topics include:
    Firearms
    Socialism
    Authoritarian socialism
    America's history and society pertaining to arms
    Soviet history and society
    Revolutions
    Gun control in the West and East
    Law enforcement
    Use of militias
,
Almost all else is irrelevant and off topic. This includes chickens, neoreactionaries, and burgers. The rest of you have the option to start a topic about any of those separately. For now, keep this discussion in the right subject.
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Postby Hammer Britannia » Mon Jun 03, 2019 8:01 am

Soviet Tankistan wrote:What the fuck is happening in my thread?

It is now of a high memetic quality.

Soviet Tankistan wrote:Here's a reminder, this thread is about authoritarian socialists and gun laws. Relevant topics include:
    Firearms
    Socialism
    Authoritarian socialism
    America's history and society pertaining to arms
    Soviet history and society
    Revolutions
    Gun control in the West and East
    Law enforcement
    Use of militias
,
Almost all else is irrelevant and off topic. This includes chickens, neoreactionaries, and burgers. The rest of you have the option to start a topic about any of those separately. For now, keep this discussion in the right subject.

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Postby Tobleste » Mon Jun 03, 2019 12:42 pm

Ors Might wrote:
Tobleste wrote:
And if guns were available in the civil rights era, they'd have been fine? Was the 2nd amendment passed in 1990?

Except knives are used for things other than killing people. Guns, not so much. Besides, if knives and guns are the same, why do you need guns? Your arguments for guns have already come down to them being much more dangerous than knives so you know the comparison is garbage.

Do I think it would have been better for blacks in the civil rights era to have had a fighting chance against lynch mobs? Hell fucking yeah I do. On that note, friendly reminder that gun control has often been used to disarm minority groups often victimized by violence from their oppressors.

As are guns. Because a guy much bigger than me will also hade a gun. The fact that guns are better at killing things means that I, someone physically weaker than the average person, will have more of a fighting chance if I possess one. Yes, even if my attacker has a gun. Why? Because my ability to defend myself is maximized if I own a gun. That holds true in every scenario, bar none. Or are you going to claim that I’d find it easier to defend myself unarmed?


You're assuming lynch mobs couldn't have found guns as well.

I'm claiming you might find it easier to defend yourself if you're attacker didn't have a gun.

You seem to be assuming that:

1. Every attacker is big and every victim is small so easily available guns make small people safer (and that random people having guns and willing to shoot at attackers in the street does not put anyone else in danger).
2. Minorities can easily get guns and majorities can't.
3. Carrying a gun means you're protected against being shot despite the attacker being able to kill you from a far greater distance without you seeing him.

Look, this weird stance works for some of you but most other countries and about half of America thinks it's f###ing stupid and just killing people so don't be surprised when you get hate for it.
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