Should Authoritarian Socialists be Pro Gun

[Washington Resistance Army]

More fine than without them, yeah. There's a bunch of examples of armed blacks being left alone whereas people who were denied their right to bear arms had a weird tendency to end up hanging from a tree.

Citation needed.

Look into folks like Robert Williams and Black Armed Self-Defense, tis an interesting story. iirc they got into shootouts with the Klan a few times but by and large the white supremacists learned to steer clear of them.

[Tobleste]

And the KKK having guns wouldn't have made any difference? Or does having a gun make one bulletproof?

Wearing a seat belt doesn't make me immortal, why should I do it?

The comparison would be valid if someone had recently killed about a dozen people with a seatbelt.

[Kowani]

Citation needed.

Look into folks like Robert Williams and Black Armed Self-Defense, tis an interesting story. iirc they got into shootouts with the Klan a few times but by and large the white supremacists learned to steer clear of them.

Oh, that’s fair.

[Telconi]

Wearing a seat belt doesn't make me immortal, why should I do it?

The comparison would be valid if someone had recently killed about a dozen people with a seatbelt.

Seatbelts kill people.

[Kowani]

The comparison would be valid if someone had recently killed about a dozen people with a seatbelt.

Seatbelts kill people.

Not anywhere close to the amount of lives they save.

[Telconi]

Seatbelts kill people.

Not anywhere close to the amount of lives they save.

So despite their costs, they provide a net benefit to society. Like guns.

[Kernen]

Seatbelts kill people.

Not anywhere close to the amount of lives they save.

Ironically, there are reports that suggest that firearms save more lives than they take. The Defensive Gun Usage statistic have, what, between 300k and 2m reported cases?

[Kowani]

Not anywhere close to the amount of lives they save.

Ironically, there are reports that suggest that firearms save more lives than they take. The Defensive Gun Usage statistic have, what, between 300k and 2m reported cases?

Not anywhere close to the amount of lives they save.

So despite their costs, they provide a net benefit to society. Like guns.

Citation needed.

[Kernen]

Ironically, there are reports that suggest that firearms save more lives than they take. The Defensive Gun Usage statistic have, what, between 300k and 2m reported cases?

So despite their costs, they provide a net benefit to society. Like guns.

Citation needed.

https://www.nap.edu/read/18319/chapter/3#15

Page 15. Citations are further embedded.

[Kowani]

Citation needed.

https://www.nap.edu/read/18319/chapter/3#15

Page 15. Citations are further embedded.

While I didn’t read the entire article, there were a few things I wanted to point out. The first, that firearms have killed a quarter of a million people in the course of a decade. The second, that nonfatal unintentional injuries by firearms were double the amount of fatal ones. The third, that firearms consist of 61% of all suicides. The fourth, that the actual number of defensive gun use is unknown, and fluctuates between 3 million and 108 thousand.

[Washington Resistance Army]

The first, that firearms have killed a quarter of a million people in the course of a decade.

You have to put that into perspective. While sure that might sound awful, McDonalds has killed millions in the same time span.

[Kernen]

https://www.nap.edu/read/18319/chapter/3#15

Page 15. Citations are further embedded.

While I didn’t read the entire article, there were a few things I wanted to point out. The first, that firearms have killed a quarter of a million people in the course of a decade. The second, that nonfatal unintentional injuries by firearms were double the amount of fatal ones. The third, that firearms consist of 61% of all suicides. The fourth, that the actual number of defensive gun use is unknown, and fluctuates between 3 million and 108 thousand.

Cool. And?

Nearly 40,000 people died in 2018 from firearm related deaths. The lowest estimate of DGUs beats that. Thats a net positive.

[Kowani]

The first, that firearms have killed a quarter of a million people in the course of a decade.

You have to put that into perspective. While sure that might sound awful, McDonalds has killed millions in the same time span.

…I’m not here to defend McDonald’s.

While I didn’t read the entire article, there were a few things I wanted to point out. The first, that firearms have killed a quarter of a million people in the course of a decade. The second, that nonfatal unintentional injuries by firearms were double the amount of fatal ones. The third, that firearms consist of 61% of all suicides. The fourth, that the actual number of defensive gun use is unknown, and fluctuates between 3 million and 108 thousand.

Cool. And?

Nearly 40,000 people died in 2018 from firearm related deaths. The lowest estimate of DGUs beats that. Thats a net positive.

Clearly, the numbers from two different years can be used to build a good argument. The situation changed quite a bit from when that study was published.

[Kernen]

You have to put that into perspective. While sure that might sound awful, McDonalds has killed millions in the same time span.

…I’m not here to defend McDonald’s.

Cool. And?

Nearly 40,000 people died in 2018 from firearm related deaths. The lowest estimate of DGUs beats that. Thats a net positive.

Clearly, the numbers from two different years can be used to build a good argument. The situation changed quite a bit from when that study was published.

If you read the studies, the 300k-2m range is an annual estimate of DGUs. Not just of one year.

[Washington Resistance Army]

You have to put that into perspective. While sure that might sound awful, McDonalds has killed millions in the same time span.

Clearly we should ban McDonalds but keep guns legal.

I actually entirely agree. Cracking down hard on fast food would do more to save American lives and make us healthier than just about anything else.

[Washington Resistance Army]

I actually entirely agree. Cracking down hard on fast food would do more to save American lives and make us healthier than just about anything else.

But my Fries and Burgers...

Make em at home, they're way better that way.

[Kowani]

But my Fries and Burgers...

Make em at home, they're way better that way.

The one problem with that are the poor who can’t afford healthy food.

[Washington Resistance Army]

Make em at home, they're way better that way.

The one problem with that are the poor who can’t afford healthy food.

Ya know I thought that too for a really long time but my food expenses really didn't change at all when I shifted my diet heavily towards healthy stuff. Maybe I'm just in a good area where local stuff is abundant and thus cheap but I had no difficulties on that front.

[Kowani]

The one problem with that are the poor who can’t afford healthy food.

Ya know I thought that too for a really long time but my food expenses really didn't change at all when I shifted my diet heavily towards healthy stuff. Maybe I'm just in a good area where local stuff is abundant and thus cheap but I had no difficulties on that front.

Well, yeah. You live in a rural area. But especially for the urban poor, or those who don’t have access to cheap local produce, that’s not an option.

[Communist Zombie Horde]

Clearly we should ban McDonalds but keep guns legal.

I actually entirely agree. Cracking down hard on fast food would do more to save American lives and make us healthier than just about anything else.

That is taKing away American freedoms.

[Hammer Britannia]

Clearly we should ban McDonalds but keep guns legal.

I actually entirely agree. Cracking down hard on fast food would do more to save American lives and make us healthier than just about anything else.

Can we at least keep Whataburger?

No? OK

[Kowani]

I actually entirely agree. Cracking down hard on fast food would do more to save American lives and make us healthier than just about anything else.

That is taKing away American freedoms.

Freedom to poison others is not worth having.

[Washington Resistance Army]

Ya know I thought that too for a really long time but my food expenses really didn't change at all when I shifted my diet heavily towards healthy stuff. Maybe I'm just in a good area where local stuff is abundant and thus cheap but I had no difficulties on that front.

Well, yeah. You live in a rural area. But especially for the urban poor, or those who don’t have access to cheap local produce, that’s not an option.

I still do my shopping at Walmart and such places anyone can go, I'm not totally self sufficient out here yet. Really I think the key is to just not go too crazy with spending. A couple chicken breasts, some turkey, fruits, veggies etc don't really come out to a whole lot if you don't go overboard.

I actually entirely agree. Cracking down hard on fast food would do more to save American lives and make us healthier than just about anything else.

That is taKing away American freedoms.

oh no

[Communist Zombie Horde]

That is taKing away American freedoms.

Freedom to poison others is not worth having.

It's typical for a socialist to support complete regulation of lives but can you turn down the edgyness?

[Hammer Britannia]

Well, yeah. You live in a rural area. But especially for the urban poor, or those who don’t have access to cheap local produce, that’s not an option.

I still do my shopping at Walmart and such places anyone can go, I'm not totally self sufficient out here yet. Really I think the key is to just not go too crazy with spending. A couple chicken breasts, some turkey, fruits, veggies etc don't really come out to a whole lot if you don't go overboard.

That is taKing away American freedoms.

oh no

Don't worry, Ex-McDs manager. I can confirm that they are enslaving customers by using mind-control juice in the fries. Destroying McDonald's would be liberating the people.