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Soviet Tankistan wrote:

Ors Might wrote:Probably. Pretty hard to start a worker based revolution if the workers aren’t armed, y’know?

Not too stoked about authoritarians stocking up on guns but hey, rights for people you don’t like and all that.

Authoritarians already stock up on guns. I assume you are American? If so, you have a large and very armed right wing authoritarian party so arming their left wing equivalents shouldn’t be much of a concern.

And which American Party is supposedly this authoritarian and heavily armed death squad?

Ifreann wrote:

Ors Might wrote:Are you implying that Comrade Stalin didn’t shit AKs and spit ammunition?

Comrade Stalin consumed only vodka, and freed from the inefficiencies of capitalism, he did not excrete.

..You’re on thin ice, Comrade.

Ifreann wrote:

Ors Might wrote:Are you implying that Comrade Stalin didn’t shit AKs and spit ammunition?

Comrade Stalin consumed only vodka, and freed from the inefficiencies of capitalism, he did not excrete.

Can we get talking about the topic instead of dumb jokes?

Shanhwa wrote:

Soviet Tankistan wrote:Authoritarians already stock up on guns. I assume you are American? If so, you have a large and very armed right wing authoritarian party so arming their left wing equivalents shouldn’t be much of a concern.

And which American Party is supposedly this authoritarian and heavily armed death squad?

The Republican Party; although they are not a death squad.

Soviet Tankistan wrote:

Shanhwa wrote:
And which American Party is supposedly this authoritarian and heavily armed death squad?

The Republican Party; although they are not a death squad.

Republicans are authoritarian now.

Yeah, no.

Authoritarian Commies will probably turn anti-gun afterward to prevent dissidents from being able to fight back.

Shanhwa wrote:

Soviet Tankistan wrote:The Republican Party; although they are not a death squad.

Republicans are authoritarian now.

Yeah, no.

Well, they are, but they are no where near the authoritarianism of a dictatorship.

Shanhwa wrote:

Soviet Tankistan wrote:The Republican Party; although they are not a death squad.

Republicans are authoritarian now.

Yeah, no.

Marxists are authoritarian according to Republicans yet most Marxists are libertarians, especially now. The Republicans are definitely authoritarian. They support oppression of the down trodden and mistreatment of those disadvantaged from the start. They are anti-democracy and subvert it at every chance. They hate people of a different religion, class, nationality, and race. I don’t agree with Democrats because they are liberal capitalists, but they are the less authoritarian party by far.

Soviet Tankistan wrote:

The Xenopolis Confederation wrote:A better question would be; should authoritarian socialists be pro-authoritarianism? The answer is no.

Should liberals be liberals? The answer is no.

I was asking for that, wasn't I?

Soviet Tankistan wrote:They are anti-democracy and subvert it at every chance.

Projecting much?

LiberNovusAmericae wrote:

Shanhwa wrote:
Republicans are authoritarian now.

Yeah, no.

Well, they are, but they are no where near the authoritarianism of a dictatorship.

A dictatorship is always authoritarian in some regards; but that is not measurable as an absolute. The US would be a dictatorship by now if not for its liberal constitution. The best way to save democracy is weakening aristocrats and plutocrats oppressing the worker from both sides.

No, so it is easier to put down the resistance and give the free market the stability it wanted.

The Xenopolis Confederation wrote:

Soviet Tankistan wrote:Should liberals be liberals? The answer is no.

I was asking for that, wasn't I?

Yes. Your notion that authoritarianism means bad is fallacious at best. It is ill reasoned as authoritarianism and libertarianism both can be good or bad. They can go too far and hurt people, or they can be used to an extent to help.

Wunderstrafanstalt wrote:No, so it is easier to put down the resistance and give the free market the stability it wanted.

The free market never has had the stability socialism could. Perhaps the best argument for mixed capitalism is the increased stability compared to regular capitalism but it is not a long term solution.

LiberNovusAmericae wrote:Authoritarian Commies will probably turn anti-gun afterward to prevent dissidents from being able to fight back.

Authoritarian socialism is entirely separate from communism and the dissidents are already armed. Whether they fight back will not be affected by taking guns.

Soviet Tankistan wrote:

Shanhwa wrote:
Republicans are authoritarian now.

Yeah, no.

Marxists are authoritarian according to Republicans yet most Marxists are libertarians, especially now. The Republicans are definitely authoritarian. They support oppression of the down trodden and mistreatment of those disadvantaged from the start. They are anti-democracy and subvert it at every chance. They hate people of a different religion, class, nationality, and race. I don’t agree with Democrats because they are liberal capitalists, but they are the less authoritarian party by far.

Who exactly do they want “oppressed”? I haven’t seen anything relating to that from any mainstream Republican.

Their only “anti-democratic” actions have been mirrored by the Democrats.

They don’t hate different people.

Soviet Tankistan wrote:

Ifreann wrote:Comrade Stalin consumed only vodka, and freed from the inefficiencies of capitalism, he did not excrete.

Can we get talking about the topic instead of dumb jokes?

I dunno, dumb jokes are probably more fun.

All workers should be armed. Workers in arms standing together is more of a threat to the capitalists than a single unarmed worker.

I’m very against gun control to the point that automatic weapons should be legal

Thermodolia wrote:All workers should be armed. Workers in arms standing together is more of a threat to the capitalists than a single unarmed worker.

I’m very against gun control to the point that automatic weapons should be legal

But Therm, if the workers are armed they'll overthrow you.

Thermodolia wrote:All workers should be armed. Workers in arms standing together is more of a threat to the capitalists than a single unarmed worker.

I’m very against gun control to the point that automatic weapons should be legal

Yes, it would be nice to have real AKs instead of the shit America gives us.

Ifreann wrote:

Thermodolia wrote:All workers should be armed. Workers in arms standing together is more of a threat to the capitalists than a single unarmed worker.

I’m very against gun control to the point that automatic weapons should be legal

But Therm, if the workers are armed they'll overthrow you.

That would be great to watch.

LiberNovusAmericae wrote:

Ifreann wrote:But Therm, if the workers are armed they'll overthrow you.

That would be great to watch.

I don't think that you'd enjoy it as much as you think you would.

LiberNovusAmericae wrote:

Ifreann wrote:But Therm, if the workers are armed they'll overthrow you.

That would be great to watch.

You won’t be seeing it ever. Socialists and those closer to them are better at winning civil wars and revolutions.

Soviet Tankistan wrote:

LiberNovusAmericae wrote:That would be great to watch.

You won’t be seeing it ever. Socialists and those closer to them are better at winning civil wars and revolutions.

Who wins a revolution of socialists against other socialists?

I'm not sure if I've gotten around to adding this little tidbit in my nation but here's the quick version. I'm an authoritarian socialist (democratic socialist to be specific) and I am pro-gun. However, my form of authoritarianism is the enshrinement of human rights and and enforcing these rights beyond the government by giving the people the ability to execute those who try to take their rights away. If a neonazi group tries to start, the people will execute them, possibly before the authorities. A congressperson attempts to remove a right from our bill of rights? The rest of congress will execute that person on the spot. We hold our rights sacred, or at least as much as an antireligion nation can hold something sacred, and those who try to curtail them are enemies of the state. This is a right, nay, an obligation to eliminate oppressors within our borders wherever they spawn.