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by Loben The 2nd » Wed May 15, 2019 3:06 pm
by San Lumen » Wed May 15, 2019 9:07 pm
by Kowani » Wed May 15, 2019 9:11 pm
by San Lumen » Wed May 15, 2019 9:15 pm
Kowani wrote:San Lumen wrote:The reform you proposed is not only unconstitutional but undemocratic. Canceling elections based on polling could easily be abused
Should there be election reform? Yes. I would support IRV or MMP
I…didn’t propose any reforms. That said, you know what’s undemocratic? 48% of a state having no say.
by Kowani » Wed May 15, 2019 9:17 pm
by Kowani » Wed May 15, 2019 9:21 pm
by San Lumen » Wed May 15, 2019 9:25 pm
Kowani wrote:San Lumen wrote:No but he is still the President whether I like it or not . That doesn’t answer my question
That is what people mean when they say that their governor/congresscritter doesn’t represent them. Nobody means that in a legal sense, they’re not being represented. But if you were part of that losing 48%, you might as well not have voted at all because the end result is the exact same.
by Kowani » Wed May 15, 2019 9:29 pm
San Lumen wrote:Kowani wrote:That is what people mean when they say that their governor/congresscritter doesn’t represent them. Nobody means that in a legal sense, they’re not being represented. But if you were part of that losing 48%, you might as well not have voted at all because the end result is the exact same.
And how would you change the system a separate Governor for them?
A separate mayor for the small amount of people who vote republican in Philadelphia, Bridgeport (CT) , Hartford (CT)or New Haven (CT) all of which are voting for mayor this year?
by San Lumen » Wed May 15, 2019 9:38 pm
Kowani wrote:San Lumen wrote:And how would you change the system a separate Governor for them?
A separate mayor for the small amount of people who vote republican in Philadelphia, Bridgeport (CT) , Hartford (CT)or New Haven (CT) all of which are voting for mayor this year?
Proportional representation everywhere.
On a presidential level, no more of this first past the post bullshit. On a smaller scale, increase the power of the legislature, decrease that of the executive.
by Infected Mushroom » Wed May 15, 2019 9:43 pm
by Infected Mushroom » Wed May 15, 2019 9:43 pm
by Kowani » Wed May 15, 2019 9:44 pm
San Lumen wrote:Kowani wrote:Proportional representation everywhere.
On a presidential level, no more of this first past the post bullshit. On a smaller scale, increase the power of the legislature, decrease that of the executive.
And what would that solve in a city like Hartford, Chicago or Philadelphia? What do you want a mayor or Governor that is a ceremonial position and can't do a darn thing?
What about state comptrollers or Attorney Generals or Secretaries of State would you reduce their power too?
Why not have IRV or MMP? In those two systems everyone gets want they want.
by San Lumen » Wed May 15, 2019 9:58 pm
Infected Mushroom wrote:I would definitely consider trading my voting power (giving it back to the government) in exchange for a few good meals or a few good video game character skins
Kowani wrote:San Lumen wrote:
And what would that solve in a city like Hartford, Chicago or Philadelphia? What do you want a mayor or Governor that is a ceremonial position and can't do a darn thing?
What about state comptrollers or Attorney Generals or Secretaries of State would you reduce their power too?
Why not have IRV or MMP? In those two systems everyone gets want they want.
I’m sorry, is the question what proportional representation would do in those cities?
I didn’t say elimination of their power. But reduction? Yeah, sure.
After looking up exactly what the AG does. Yes. As for Sec. of State? Also yes. Diplomacy cannot be conducted with half the country opposed. Case in point, Woodrow Wilson.
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