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Loben The 2nd
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Postby Loben The 2nd » Wed May 15, 2019 3:06 pm

Do I think my vote matters?

Absolutely fucking not.
no quarter.
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San Lumen
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Postby San Lumen » Wed May 15, 2019 9:07 pm

United Muscovite Nations wrote:
Kowani wrote:Eh, under the current American system, there are places where it does not matter if you voted or not.

^

The reform you proposed is not only unconstitutional but undemocratic. Canceling elections based on polling could easily be abused

Should there be election reform? Yes. I would support IRV or MMP

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Kowani
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Postby Kowani » Wed May 15, 2019 9:11 pm

San Lumen wrote:
United Muscovite Nations wrote:^

The reform you proposed is not only unconstitutional but undemocratic. Canceling elections based on polling could easily be abused

Should there be election reform? Yes. I would support IRV or MMP

I…didn’t propose any reforms. That said, you know what’s undemocratic? 48% of a state having no say.
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San Lumen
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Postby San Lumen » Wed May 15, 2019 9:15 pm

Kowani wrote:
San Lumen wrote:The reform you proposed is not only unconstitutional but undemocratic. Canceling elections based on polling could easily be abused

Should there be election reform? Yes. I would support IRV or MMP

I…didn’t propose any reforms. That said, you know what’s undemocratic? 48% of a state having no say.

The governor isn’t the leader of the 48 percent who didn’t vote for him or her? What should we have instead two separate governors?

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Kowani
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Postby Kowani » Wed May 15, 2019 9:17 pm

San Lumen wrote:
Kowani wrote:I…didn’t propose any reforms. That said, you know what’s undemocratic? 48% of a state having no say.

The governor isn’t the leader of the 48 percent who didn’t vote for him or her? What should we have instead two separate governors?

Does Trump represent you?
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San Lumen
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Postby San Lumen » Wed May 15, 2019 9:18 pm

Kowani wrote:
San Lumen wrote:The governor isn’t the leader of the 48 percent who didn’t vote for him or her? What should we have instead two separate governors?

Does Trump represent you?

No but he is still the President whether I like it or not . That doesn’t answer my question

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Kowani
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Postby Kowani » Wed May 15, 2019 9:21 pm

San Lumen wrote:
Kowani wrote:Does Trump represent you?

No but he is still the President whether I like it or not . That doesn’t answer my question

That is what people mean when they say that their governor/congresscritter doesn’t represent them. Nobody means that in a legal sense, they’re not being represented. But if you were part of that losing 48%, you might as well not have voted at all because the end result is the exact same.
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San Lumen
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Postby San Lumen » Wed May 15, 2019 9:25 pm

Kowani wrote:
San Lumen wrote:No but he is still the President whether I like it or not . That doesn’t answer my question

That is what people mean when they say that their governor/congresscritter doesn’t represent them. Nobody means that in a legal sense, they’re not being represented. But if you were part of that losing 48%, you might as well not have voted at all because the end result is the exact same.

And how would you change the system a separate Governor for them?
A separate mayor for the small amount of people who vote republican in Philadelphia, Bridgeport (CT) , Hartford (CT)or New Haven (CT) all of which are voting for mayor this year?

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Kowani
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Postby Kowani » Wed May 15, 2019 9:29 pm

San Lumen wrote:
Kowani wrote:That is what people mean when they say that their governor/congresscritter doesn’t represent them. Nobody means that in a legal sense, they’re not being represented. But if you were part of that losing 48%, you might as well not have voted at all because the end result is the exact same.

And how would you change the system a separate Governor for them?
A separate mayor for the small amount of people who vote republican in Philadelphia, Bridgeport (CT) , Hartford (CT)or New Haven (CT) all of which are voting for mayor this year?

Proportional representation everywhere.
On a presidential level, no more of this first past the post bullshit. On a smaller scale, increase the power of the legislature, decrease that of the executive.
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San Lumen
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Postby San Lumen » Wed May 15, 2019 9:38 pm

Kowani wrote:
San Lumen wrote:And how would you change the system a separate Governor for them?
A separate mayor for the small amount of people who vote republican in Philadelphia, Bridgeport (CT) , Hartford (CT)or New Haven (CT) all of which are voting for mayor this year?

Proportional representation everywhere.
On a presidential level, no more of this first past the post bullshit. On a smaller scale, increase the power of the legislature, decrease that of the executive.


And what would that solve in a city like Hartford, Chicago or Philadelphia? What do you want a mayor or Governor that is a ceremonial position and can't do a darn thing?

What about state comptrollers or Attorney Generals or Secretaries of State would you reduce their power too?

Why not have IRV or MMP? In those two systems everyone gets want they want.
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Infected Mushroom
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Corrupt Dictatorship

Postby Infected Mushroom » Wed May 15, 2019 9:43 pm

I would definitely consider trading my voting power (giving it back to the government) in exchange for a few good meals or a few good video game character skins

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Infected Mushroom
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Corrupt Dictatorship

Postby Infected Mushroom » Wed May 15, 2019 9:43 pm

Loben The 2nd wrote:Do I think my vote matters?

Absolutely fucking not.


You got it partner

this is exactly right

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Kowani
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Postby Kowani » Wed May 15, 2019 9:44 pm

San Lumen wrote:
Kowani wrote:Proportional representation everywhere.
On a presidential level, no more of this first past the post bullshit. On a smaller scale, increase the power of the legislature, decrease that of the executive.


And what would that solve in a city like Hartford, Chicago or Philadelphia? What do you want a mayor or Governor that is a ceremonial position and can't do a darn thing?

What about state comptrollers or Attorney Generals or Secretaries of State would you reduce their power too?

Why not have IRV or MMP? In those two systems everyone gets want they want.

I’m sorry, is the question what proportional representation would do in those cities?
I didn’t say elimination of their power. But reduction? Yeah, sure.

After looking up exactly what the AG does. Yes. As for Sec. of State? Also yes. Diplomacy cannot be conducted with half the country opposed. Case in point, Woodrow Wilson.
American History and Historiography; Political and Labour History, Urbanism, Political Parties, Congressional Procedure, Elections.

Servant of The Democracy since 1896.


Historian, of sorts.

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San Lumen
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Founded: Jul 02, 2009
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Postby San Lumen » Wed May 15, 2019 9:58 pm

Infected Mushroom wrote:I would definitely consider trading my voting power (giving it back to the government) in exchange for a few good meals or a few good video game character skins

Its quite frightening video games are all you care about
Kowani wrote:
San Lumen wrote:
And what would that solve in a city like Hartford, Chicago or Philadelphia? What do you want a mayor or Governor that is a ceremonial position and can't do a darn thing?

What about state comptrollers or Attorney Generals or Secretaries of State would you reduce their power too?

Why not have IRV or MMP? In those two systems everyone gets want they want.

I’m sorry, is the question what proportional representation would do in those cities?
I didn’t say elimination of their power. But reduction? Yeah, sure.

After looking up exactly what the AG does. Yes. As for Sec. of State? Also yes. Diplomacy cannot be conducted with half the country opposed. Case in point, Woodrow Wilson.

Yes what would it do in those cities?

What power would you remove from the Governor or Mayor?

Secretary of State handles elections and records and not all states elect them. In my state the position is appointed by the Governor and has nothing to do with election

Why not have IRV or MMP?

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