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by Blargoblarg » Wed May 08, 2019 6:51 pm
by Lynn Nation » Wed May 08, 2019 7:38 pm
by Slotted Floppies » Wed May 08, 2019 7:43 pm
by Kowani » Wed May 08, 2019 7:51 pm
Slotted Floppies wrote:Voting is just a method for authoritarians to red herring every political conversation.
There’s no reason for government so there’s no no reason to vote.
by Cameroi » Thu May 09, 2019 8:57 am
by Cameroi » Thu May 09, 2019 9:08 am
Slotted Floppies wrote:Voting is just a method for authoritarians to red herring every political conversation.
There’s no reason for government so there’s no no reason to vote.
by San Lumen » Thu May 09, 2019 9:19 am
by United Muscovite Nations » Thu May 09, 2019 9:55 am
by Internationalist Bastard » Thu May 09, 2019 9:58 am
by San Lumen » Thu May 09, 2019 11:19 am
United Muscovite Nations wrote:I don't vote, there's no point to doing so because I know who my state/county/district will vote for.
by Hakons » Thu May 09, 2019 12:05 pm
Page wrote:My perspective: As an American citizen, I consider myself a partial owner of the United States of America and all of its institutions and resources. In the same way that if I bought a house with a friend, and each of us contributed to paying the bills and maintaining the house, I am a partner in ownership of that house and my friend is too, I am a partner in the ownership of the United States of America with hundreds of millions of other people.
I always vote; I have never missed a vote since I turned 18, but I do not think I owe it to anyone else to vote. I do it because it is one of the only forms of power I can wield as a regular person without wealth or any other form of political power.
In the case of the previous and upcoming Presidential election, I unequivocally despise Donald Trump and everything he stands for, but I did/do not have an obligation to anyone else to keep/remove Trump from office.
I view my vote as if I am conducting a job interview, that the candidate must impress me, and that if all the interviewees are terrible, being the least terrible does not mean you are entitled to be hired. My vote is one of my only means of power and I will not give it to the undeserving.
by Internationalist Bastard » Thu May 09, 2019 12:24 pm
by United Muscovite Nations » Thu May 09, 2019 12:43 pm
by Pinch Me » Thu May 09, 2019 12:47 pm
Hakons wrote:Page wrote:My perspective: As an American citizen, I consider myself a partial owner of the United States of America and all of its institutions and resources. In the same way that if I bought a house with a friend, and each of us contributed to paying the bills and maintaining the house, I am a partner in ownership of that house and my friend is too, I am a partner in the ownership of the United States of America with hundreds of millions of other people.
I always vote; I have never missed a vote since I turned 18, but I do not think I owe it to anyone else to vote. I do it because it is one of the only forms of power I can wield as a regular person without wealth or any other form of political power.
In the case of the previous and upcoming Presidential election, I unequivocally despise Donald Trump and everything he stands for, but I did/do not have an obligation to anyone else to keep/remove Trump from office.
I view my vote as if I am conducting a job interview, that the candidate must impress me, and that if all the interviewees are terrible, being the least terrible does not mean you are entitled to be hired. My vote is one of my only means of power and I will not give it to the undeserving.
This is a good civic view to have on voting. American government is owned by the people. Some cynically say government is owned by special interests, but I think it is best to be optimistic and not give in to pessimism that only discourages people not to vote. Having a vote is tremendous power and the best development in governing systems ever devised.
Where I differ is I don't despise Trump, because I don't think we should despise people. This is a little difficult to maintain, especially for figures like Stalin or Hitler, but they are thankfully dead. One can despise ideas, however, and Trump's immigration policy has been pretty despicable. However, I'm Republican and support many of his other policies.
Religiously, voting is an obligation. To not vote is to not fulfill one's role and duty to the community. It's not a sin per say to not vote, but it's against Church social teaching.
by Cupofchar » Thu May 09, 2019 1:11 pm
by San Lumen » Thu May 09, 2019 1:16 pm
United Muscovite Nations wrote:San Lumen wrote:Then don’t complain about who gets elected or what they do in office
I can complain, just because my vote doesn't matter doesn't mean I don't get to complain that I live in a system where my vote doesn't matter.
As I told you before, in our last senate election, the vote in my county was 84% Republican, no amount of me voting is going to change that substantially, and our system is set up in such a way that if you're one of the 16% that voted Democrat, your vote didn't matter because it has zero impact on the outcome of the election.
by United Muscovite Nations » Thu May 09, 2019 1:19 pm
San Lumen wrote:United Muscovite Nations wrote:I can complain, just because my vote doesn't matter doesn't mean I don't get to complain that I live in a system where my vote doesn't matter.
As I told you before, in our last senate election, the vote in my county was 84% Republican, no amount of me voting is going to change that substantially, and our system is set up in such a way that if you're one of the 16% that voted Democrat, your vote didn't matter because it has zero impact on the outcome of the election.
Yeah why bother showing up to vote in Denver, Baltimore, New haven, Minneapolis or Seattle: the Democrat will always win.
Next day: how did the other candidate win?
Attitudes like that is how truly horrible people get elected
by San Lumen » Thu May 09, 2019 1:21 pm
United Muscovite Nations wrote:San Lumen wrote:Yeah why bother showing up to vote in Denver, Baltimore, New haven, Minneapolis or Seattle: the Democrat will always win.
Next day: how did the other candidate win?
Attitudes like that is how truly horrible people get elected
If you have no chance of victory, what is the point of voting in a winner-take-all election?
Seriously, if you can be 100% sure that one person will win, what is the point of voting against that person? Give one good reason to.
by United Muscovite Nations » Thu May 09, 2019 1:23 pm
San Lumen wrote:United Muscovite Nations wrote:If you have no chance of victory, what is the point of voting in a winner-take-all election?
Seriously, if you can be 100% sure that one person will win, what is the point of voting against that person? Give one good reason to.
It shows how much support they have plus it’s a way of expressing your opinion.
The governor of my state got 60 percent of the vote in the last election was it a waste of time to vote? I’m a poll worker as well. Should i stop doing it?
Are you of the attitude why bother showing up if there isn’t a guarantee of winning? Congresswoman Cindy axne of Iowa narrowly beat the incumbent due to the most populous county in the district Polk which is Des Moines voting for her by a wide margin. She lost every other county.
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by San Lumen » Thu May 09, 2019 1:30 pm
United Muscovite Nations wrote:San Lumen wrote:It shows how much support they have plus it’s a way of expressing your opinion.
The governor of my state got 60 percent of the vote in the last election was it a waste of time to vote? I’m a poll worker as well. Should i stop doing it?
Are you of the attitude why bother showing up if there isn’t a guarantee of winning? Congresswoman Cindy axne of Iowa narrowly beat the incumbent due to the most populous county in the district Polk which is Des Moines voting for her by a wide margin. She lost every other county.
It was a waste of time if you voted against him, because in a winner-take-all election, winning with 51% of the vote is no different from winning with 100%.
If there's not guarantee of winning or losing, go vote, but in my state, I always know who the state will vote for, and it's a winner-take-all state.
by West Leas Oros 2 » Thu May 09, 2019 1:32 pm
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by United Muscovite Nations » Thu May 09, 2019 1:33 pm
San Lumen wrote:United Muscovite Nations wrote:It was a waste of time if you voted against him, because in a winner-take-all election, winning with 51% of the vote is no different from winning with 100%.
If there's not guarantee of winning or losing, go vote, but in my state, I always know who the state will vote for, and it's a winner-take-all state.
With that attitude many of the upset victories last year would not have happened. Like AOC, Wisconsin Governor Tony Evers, Kansas Governor Laura Kelly, a 22 year old defeating a long time republican incumbent in the Connecticut state senate, congressman Antonio Delgado of New York . I could name many others.
But that would never happen in your area. People in Topeka should have said Kobach will win why bother
by San Lumen » Thu May 09, 2019 1:36 pm
United Muscovite Nations wrote:San Lumen wrote:With that attitude many of the upset victories last year would not have happened. Like AOC, Wisconsin Governor Tony Evers, Kansas Governor Laura Kelly, a 22 year old defeating a long time republican incumbent in the Connecticut state senate, congressman Antonio Delgado of New York . I could name many others.
But that would never happen in your area. People in Topeka should have said Kobach will win why bother
You act like you can never reliably predict outcomes, elections are not random, they have trends, and unless you live in a tossup state, polling is pretty reliable.
by United Muscovite Nations » Thu May 09, 2019 1:38 pm
San Lumen wrote:United Muscovite Nations wrote:You act like you can never reliably predict outcomes, elections are not random, they have trends, and unless you live in a tossup state, polling is pretty reliable.
That doesn’t mean you shouldn’t vote.
With that line of thinking why bother holding elections in some areas?
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