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Postby Nova Cyberia » Wed May 08, 2019 3:07 pm

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Nova Cyberia wrote:Not really. Gang violence is objectively a far bigger problem than mass shootings, yet you're far more worried about the latter. Why?


Because mass shootings are relevant to the subject of this thread. Gang violence is not and so is little more than a deflection.

Really? According to the mods this specific instance and nothing else is relevant to the thread.
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Postby Vassenor » Wed May 08, 2019 3:08 pm

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Because mass shootings are relevant to the subject of this thread. Gang violence is not and so is little more than a deflection.

Really? According to the mods this specific instance and nothing else is relevant to the thread.


So how is this specific instance an incident of gang violence?
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Postby Nova Cyberia » Wed May 08, 2019 3:10 pm

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Nova Cyberia wrote:Really? According to the mods this specific instance and nothing else is relevant to the thread.


So how is this specific instance an incident of gang violence?

How is it reflective of all other mass shootings in America?

We aren't talking about mass shootings in general. We're talking about this one instance, are we not?

So evidently you're just trying to deflect as well. At least, according to your own logic.
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Postby Scomagia » Wed May 08, 2019 3:10 pm

So was the initial reporting about police engaging a third suspect erroneous or what? Is it just the two?
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Postby Vassenor » Wed May 08, 2019 3:13 pm

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So how is this specific instance an incident of gang violence?

How is it reflective of all other mass shootings in America?

We aren't talking about mass shootings in general. We're talking about this one instance, are we not?

So evidently you're just trying to deflect as well. At least, according to your own logic.


We're talking about how to stop this happening again. Responding to that with BUT GANG VIOLENCE is a deflection.
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Postby Gig em Aggies » Wed May 08, 2019 3:13 pm

Scomagia wrote:So was the initial reporting about police engaging a third suspect erroneous or what? Is it just the two?

its just two in cases like this people report false things all the time over the radios and it comes in garbled or is misheard as everyone may have been talking at the same time which resulted in confusion about a third shooter.
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Postby Scomagia » Wed May 08, 2019 3:15 pm

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Scomagia wrote:So was the initial reporting about police engaging a third suspect erroneous or what? Is it just the two?

its just two in cases like this people report false things all the time over the radios and it comes in garbled or is misheard as everyone may have been talking at the same time which resulted in confusion about a third shooter.

Okay. I'm familiar with this kind of thing happening during initial reporting, so I'm not surprised.

Are the motives known?
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Postby Paddy O Fernature » Wed May 08, 2019 3:17 pm

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Gig em Aggies wrote:its just two in cases like this people report false things all the time over the radios and it comes in garbled or is misheard as everyone may have been talking at the same time which resulted in confusion about a third shooter.

Okay. I'm familiar with this kind of thing happening during initial reporting, so I'm not surprised.

Are the motives known?


Not sure at this time, as nothing motive wise has been released that I've seen.

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Postby Nova Cyberia » Wed May 08, 2019 3:19 pm

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Nova Cyberia wrote:How is it reflective of all other mass shootings in America?

We aren't talking about mass shootings in general. We're talking about this one instance, are we not?

So evidently you're just trying to deflect as well. At least, according to your own logic.


We're talking about how to stop this happening again. Responding to that with BUT GANG VIOLENCE is a deflection.

Responding to a deflection with a deflection (by your own logic) isn't really much better lol
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Postby Vassenor » Wed May 08, 2019 3:20 pm

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We're talking about how to stop this happening again. Responding to that with BUT GANG VIOLENCE is a deflection.

Responding to a deflection with a deflection (by your own logic) isn't really much better lol


"So how can we stop this from happening again?

"Why are you talking about that when gang violence is a bigger problem?"

Appealing to worse problems is a pretty basic logical fallacy.
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Postby Gormwood » Wed May 08, 2019 3:21 pm

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Nova Cyberia wrote:Responding to a deflection with a deflection (by your own logic) isn't really much better lol


"So how can we stop this from happening again?

"Why are you talking about that when gang violence is a bigger problem?"

Appealing to worse problems is a pretty basic logical fallacy.

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Postby Nova Cyberia » Wed May 08, 2019 3:23 pm

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Nova Cyberia wrote:Responding to a deflection with a deflection (by your own logic) isn't really much better lol


"So how can we stop this from happening again?

"Why are you talking about that when gang violence is a bigger problem?"

Appealing to worse problems is a pretty basic logical fallacy.

I'm not. I'm pointing out your hypocrisy. There's a difference.
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Postby Greed and Death » Wed May 08, 2019 4:08 pm

Hmm it appears the shooters were trans rights activist. I think an increased police and military presence in those communities and organizations might be needed to provide community safety.
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Postby Farnhamia » Wed May 08, 2019 4:10 pm

Greed and Death wrote:Hmm it appears the shooters were trans rights activist. I think an increased police and military presence in those communities and organizations might be needed to provide community safety.

Really not funny, G&D, not funny at all.
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Postby Greed and Death » Wed May 08, 2019 4:28 pm

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Greed and Death wrote:Hmm it appears the shooters were trans rights activist. I think an increased police and military presence in those communities and organizations might be needed to provide community safety.

Really not funny, G&D, not funny at all.

I know my humor can be a bit much.

While it is tragic that someone died and others were wounded. It is interesting how these shooters do not fit the typical mold.

It also presents an opportunity to address the situation trans kids face in our schools does it not. These kids lashed out likely after years of abuse from their peers and neglect from teachers and faculty. So yes my initial reaction is humor that can border on misleared normally it is to generate attention where it needs to be because flood civil rights organizations with police would accomplish little.
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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Wed May 08, 2019 5:18 pm

Nova Cyberia wrote:
Gormwood wrote:Ah, relative privation.

Not really. Gang violence is objectively a far bigger problem than mass shootings, yet you're far more worried about the latter. Why?


Now I want to preface this by saying I don't think Gauth is really a racist per se, but society as a whole tends not to care about gang violence because despite the fact that it kills thousands per year those thousands are overwhelmingly poor minorities. It doesn't sell as well as white kids dying and thus people don't pick it up for their political games.

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Greed and Death wrote:Hmm it appears the shooters were trans rights activist. I think an increased police and military presence in those communities and organizations might be needed to provide community safety.

Really not funny, G&D, not funny at all.


He's actually not really joking afaik, I've heard one of the shooters was MtF and revenge was a motive but I'm not sure how true that is.
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Postby Fartsniffage » Wed May 08, 2019 5:30 pm

Washington Resistance Army wrote:Now I want to preface this by saying I don't think is really a racist per se, but society as a whole tends not to care about gang violence because despite the fact that it kills thousands per year those thousands are overwhelmingly poor minorities. It doesn't sell as well as white kids dying and thus people don't pick it up for their political games.


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The issue is that "according to plan" now seems to include children being murdered while they're at school. And that's fucked.

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Postby Greed and Death » Wed May 08, 2019 6:33 pm

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Nova Cyberia wrote:Not really. Gang violence is objectively a far bigger problem than mass shootings, yet you're far more worried about the latter. Why?


Now I want to preface this by saying I don't think Gauth is really a racist per se, but society as a whole tends not to care about gang violence because despite the fact that it kills thousands per year those thousands are overwhelmingly poor minorities. It doesn't sell as well as white kids dying and thus people don't pick it up for their political games.

Farnhamia wrote:Really not funny, G&D, not funny at all.


He's actually not really joking afaik, I've heard one of the shooters was MtF and revenge was a motive but I'm not sure how true that is.


https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-48207677

Local news has but I do not know which local sources are reasonable. However the Sheriff refuses to comment on the matter. Though initially the Sheriff misgendered the suspect.
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Postby Deutschess Kaiserreich » Wed May 08, 2019 6:52 pm

Again? I heard on reddit one of the students gave their lives to try to stop the shooter.
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Postby Greed and Death » Wed May 08, 2019 7:09 pm

Deutschess Kaiserreich wrote:Again? I heard on reddit one of the students gave their lives to try to stop the shooter.

Good on him then.
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Postby Hatterleigh » Wed May 08, 2019 7:26 pm

Was this the shooting with the gay kid?
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Postby Telconi » Wed May 08, 2019 9:08 pm

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It's a no-go topic, there's no point even addressing it at this point. And, as a result, it's just brushed off and we carry on. Sometimes there are things that happen, and just because they're sad doesn't mean something *must* be done about it. Shit happens, even in the best of circumstances.

That is exactly the attitude I am talking about. Where I am standing what you just said sounds incredibly, indescribably callous and inhuman. It's literally as if you had said (and I truly mean no personal offense by this): "Well sure, that Hitler chap is gassing some jews every now and than. But that sort of thing just happens back on the continent. No big deal."

I literally get emotionally triggered by the fact you can even think of posting what you did.


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Purpelia wrote:That is exactly the attitude I am talking about. Where I am standing what you just said sounds incredibly, indescribably callous and inhuman. It's literally as if you had said (and I truly mean no personal offense by this): "Well sure, that Hitler chap is gassing some jews every now and than. But that sort of thing just happens back on the continent. No big deal."

I literally get emotionally triggered by the fact you can even think of posting what you did.


If the perpetually proposed solution to 'That Hitler chap' was "Let's drag all the blue eyed white folks into the street and beat them to death" you bet your ass I'd shrug it off.

...no one is proposing killing anyone to try and solve our country's gun crisis much less racial genocide jesus christ lmfao why on earth do you say terrible shit like this I really can't fathom it
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Postby Telconi » Wed May 08, 2019 9:12 pm

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Telconi wrote:
If the perpetually proposed solution to 'That Hitler chap' was "Let's drag all the blue eyed white folks into the street and beat them to death" you bet your ass I'd shrug it off.

...no one is proposing killing anyone to try and solve our country's gun crisis lmfao why on earth do you say terrible shit like this I really can't fathom it


No one's gassing Jews either, analogy is a thing.
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