1 dead 7 injured in Highland Ranch, Colorado STEM shooting

[Gormwood]

Since talking about guns is a no-no, all that can be said is something like this is gonna happen again. Only In America.

[Gig em Aggies]

Since talking about guns is a no-no, all that can be said is something like this is gonna happen again. Only In America.

not really it happened in Australia, New Zealand, India, Russia, The UK, France you name it

[Gormwood]

Since talking about guns is a no-no, all that can be said is something like this is gonna happen again. Only In America.

not really it happened in Australia, New Zealand, India, Russia, The UK, France you name it

How often does a mass shooting happen in those countries compared to the U.S.?

[Grinning Dragon]

not really it happened in Australia, New Zealand, India, Russia, The UK, France you name it

How often does a mass shooting happen in those countries compared to the U.S.?

Irrelevant question since you previously stated "only in America" and as such it was pointed out that it does in fact happen in other countries.

[Gormwood]

How often does a mass shooting happen in those countries compared to the U.S.?

Irrelevant question since you previously stated "only in America" and as such it was pointed out that it does in fact happen in other countries.

"Only in America" was a quip about how mass shootings are accepted like a weather forecast in the U.S.

[Grinning Dragon]

Irrelevant question since you previously stated "only in America" and as such it was pointed out that it does in fact happen in other countries.

"Only in America" was a quip about how mass shootings are accepted like a weather forecast in the U.S.

Since no one can read your mind or garner that interpretation from what you had posted, you should had clarified as such.
The other thing is, I have yet to see that these types of things are as you say, "accepted like a weather forecast in the U.S." from the population, from what I can gather IMO, is the push back to immediately politicize and or ostracize an enumerated right, from those in the media and politicians/govt as to place blame.

[Gormwood]

"Only in America" was a quip about how mass shootings are accepted like a weather forecast in the U.S.

Since no one can read your mind or garner that interpretation from what you had posted, you should had clarified as such.
The other thing is, I have yet to see that these types of things are as you say, "accepted like a weather forecast in the U.S." from the population, from what I can gather IMO, is the push back to immediately politicize and or ostracize an enumerated right, from those in the media and politicians/govt as to place blame.

Given how any calls for a screening process, much less improving any existing ones are successfully quashed and mass shooting do continue to happen frequently in the U.S. the prevailing attitude does appear to be they are natural phenomenon like the weather or traffic jams.

[Vassenor]

Since talking about guns is a no-no, all that can be said is something like this is gonna happen again. Only In America.

not really it happened in Australia, New Zealand, India, Russia, The UK, France you name it

So why do you think there hasn't been a school shooting in the UK for over two decades?

[Grinning Dragon]

Since no one can read your mind or garner that interpretation from what you had posted, you should had clarified as such.
The other thing is, I have yet to see that these types of things are as you say, "accepted like a weather forecast in the U.S." from the population, from what I can gather IMO, is the push back to immediately politicize and or ostracize an enumerated right, from those in the media and politicians/govt as to place blame.

Given how any calls for a screening process, much less improving any existing ones are successfully quashed and mass shooting do continue to happen frequently in the U.S. the prevailing attitude does appear to be they are natural phenomenon like the weather or traffic jams.

As much as I am against background checks, the fixnics act of 2017 was passed and signed into law March 23, 2018 as part of bolstering the background process, along with additional states passing their versions of additional background checks, just about anything and everything that antigunners have lobbied to pass over the years and they got passed in regards to throwing up barriers and when it seems that doesn't work they scream for the same thing over again and again. Obviously making something more "illegal-er" is the logical way to proceed and is "common sense" for some odd reason.

[Telconi]

not really it happened in Australia, New Zealand, India, Russia, The UK, France you name it

So why do you think there hasn't been a school shooting in the UK for over two decades?

Because...

viewtopic.php?f=20&t=439114

[Proctopeo]

So why do you think there hasn't been a school shooting in the UK for over two decades?

Because...

viewtopic.php?f=20&t=439114

Earlier this year, a "knife surrender bin" was robbed by criminals.
Knife control isn't working out. Best to bring back guns to deal with the criminals with knives I think, wot wot.

[Purpelia]

"Only in America" was a quip about how mass shootings are accepted like a weather forecast in the U.S.

Since no one can read your mind or garner that interpretation from what you had posted, you should had clarified as such.
The other thing is, I have yet to see that these types of things are as you say, "accepted like a weather forecast in the U.S." from the population, from what I can gather IMO, is the push back to immediately politicize and or ostracize an enumerated right, from those in the media and politicians/govt as to place blame.

Maybe you as an american don't see it but we outsiders certainly do get the impression.

I mean, take me for example. I won't tell you my country and will use an IP hider to hide it. But where I am from there have been no school shootings in living memory. And this is not an exaggeration either. I am not making this up. Ask anyone here about it and they'll tell you it's something that only happens in america. True? Maybe not but certainly that's the impression. So if such a thing was to happen we would be shocked, horrified and angry. And you can bet that there would be hell to pay. We are talking flat out riots in the streets, government falling and people up in arms screaming "what are you going to do about this travesty!" until some rather drastic measures are dealt out. Weather they be useful or not being irrelevant in face of the need to satisfy the public's ire. Because it would literally be the most shocking terrifying thing imaginable. And it would be something that's talked about for years to come with newspapers publishing yearly obituaries in remembrance and politicians calling back on it every election cycle to remind THEY and ONLY THEY won't ever let that sort of thing happen again.

When you look at how americans treat the things though it's just the opposite. Every single time I see coverage of these things it's like "Oh, the poor people crying. Evil shooter. Video games maybe evil. And in other news... the weather" You just acknowledge it happened, give an obligatory silent nod and than move on as if it was just an ordinary fact of life. And than next Tuesday it happens again. And we get another 5-15 minutes of sadness and outrage before it again goes forgotten in time for lunch. From where I am standing you people make more fuss about a video game release being crap than you do about children being murdered at a sacred place of learning and education.

And that is both baffling and confusing.

[Telconi]

Since no one can read your mind or garner that interpretation from what you had posted, you should had clarified as such.
The other thing is, I have yet to see that these types of things are as you say, "accepted like a weather forecast in the U.S." from the population, from what I can gather IMO, is the push back to immediately politicize and or ostracize an enumerated right, from those in the media and politicians/govt as to place blame.

Maybe you as an american don't see it but we outsiders certainly do get the impression.

I mean, take me for example. I won't tell you my country and will use an IP hider to hide it. But where I am from there have been no school shootings in living memory. And this is not an exaggeration either. I am not making this up. Ask anyone here about it and they'll tell you it's something that only happens in america. True? Maybe not but certainly that's the impression. So if such a thing was to happen we would be shocked, horrified and angry. And you can bet that there would be hell to pay. We are talking flat out riots in the streets, government falling and people up in arms screaming "what are you going to do about this travesty!" until some rather drastic measures are dealt out. Weather they be useful or not being irrelevant in face of the need to satisfy the public's ire. Because it would literally be the most shocking terrifying thing imaginable. And it would be something that's talked about for years to come with newspapers publishing yearly obituaries in remembrance and politicians calling back on it every election cycle to remind THEY and ONLY THEY won't ever let that sort of thing happen again.

When you look at how americans treat the things though it's just the opposite. Every single time I see coverage of these things it's like "Oh, the poor people crying. Evil shooter. Video games maybe evil. And in other news... the weather" You just acknowledge it happened, give an obligatory silent nod and than move on as if it was just an ordinary fact of life. And than next Tuesday it happens again. And we get another 5-15 minutes of sadness and outrage before it again goes forgotten in time for lunch. From where I am standing you people make more fuss about a video game release being crap than you do about children being murdered at a sacred place of learning and education.

And that is both baffling and confusing.

It's a no-go topic, there's no point even addressing it at this point. And, as a result, it's just brushed off and we carry on. Sometimes there are things that happen, and just because they're sad doesn't mean something *must* be done about it. Shit happens, even in the best of circumstances.

[Purpelia]

Maybe you as an american don't see it but we outsiders certainly do get the impression.

I mean, take me for example. I won't tell you my country and will use an IP hider to hide it. But where I am from there have been no school shootings in living memory. And this is not an exaggeration either. I am not making this up. Ask anyone here about it and they'll tell you it's something that only happens in america. True? Maybe not but certainly that's the impression. So if such a thing was to happen we would be shocked, horrified and angry. And you can bet that there would be hell to pay. We are talking flat out riots in the streets, government falling and people up in arms screaming "what are you going to do about this travesty!" until some rather drastic measures are dealt out. Weather they be useful or not being irrelevant in face of the need to satisfy the public's ire. Because it would literally be the most shocking terrifying thing imaginable. And it would be something that's talked about for years to come with newspapers publishing yearly obituaries in remembrance and politicians calling back on it every election cycle to remind THEY and ONLY THEY won't ever let that sort of thing happen again.

When you look at how americans treat the things though it's just the opposite. Every single time I see coverage of these things it's like "Oh, the poor people crying. Evil shooter. Video games maybe evil. And in other news... the weather" You just acknowledge it happened, give an obligatory silent nod and than move on as if it was just an ordinary fact of life. And than next Tuesday it happens again. And we get another 5-15 minutes of sadness and outrage before it again goes forgotten in time for lunch. From where I am standing you people make more fuss about a video game release being crap than you do about children being murdered at a sacred place of learning and education.

And that is both baffling and confusing.

It's a no-go topic, there's no point even addressing it at this point. And, as a result, it's just brushed off and we carry on. Sometimes there are things that happen, and just because they're sad doesn't mean something *must* be done about it. Shit happens, even in the best of circumstances.

That is exactly the attitude I am talking about. Where I am standing what you just said sounds incredibly, indescribably callous and inhuman. It's literally as if you had said (and I truly mean no personal offense by this): "Well sure, that Hitler chap is gassing some jews every now and than. But that sort of thing just happens back on the continent. No big deal."

I literally get emotionally triggered by the fact you can even think of posting what you did.

[Paddy O Fernature]

It's a no-go topic, there's no point even addressing it at this point. And, as a result, it's just brushed off and we carry on. Sometimes there are things that happen, and just because they're sad doesn't mean something *must* be done about it. Shit happens, even in the best of circumstances.

That is exactly the attitude I am talking about. Where I am standing what you just said sounds incredibly, indescribably callous and inhuman. It's literally as if you had said (and I truly mean no personal offense by this): "Well sure, that Hitler chap is gassing some jews every now and than. But that sort of thing just happens back on the continent. No big deal."

I literally get emotionally triggered by the fact you can even think of posting what you did.

Um... yeah, I'm going to have to disagree with you on several points of this reply. Mainly with the bit where what he said makes him seem "callous and inhuman" and where you are literally comparing him to Hitler. Which by the way, I couldn't help but chuckle at as that stupid ass meme needs to die already. You might not know this, but here these incidents are given 24/7 wall-to-wall coverage where every stupid aspect of the shooters lives are put on display for all to see, and their names drilled repeatedly into peoples heads until you can't help but remember them for what they did. The fact that people are fed up with this cycle and decide just to turn the channel after shrugging ones shoulders upon hearing such things happening doesn't mean that they are "Callous inhuman beings" with no emotional input/output, it just means that people are tired of the media bullshit and would just rather not listen to the bullshit any longer.

[Purpelia]

That is exactly the attitude I am talking about. Where I am standing what you just said sounds incredibly, indescribably callous and inhuman. It's literally as if you had said (and I truly mean no personal offense by this): "Well sure, that Hitler chap is gassing some jews every now and than. But that sort of thing just happens back on the continent. No big deal."

I literally get emotionally triggered by the fact you can even think of posting what you did.

Um... yeah, I'm going to have to disagree with you on several points of this reply. Mainly with the bit where what he said makes him seem "callous and inhuman" and where you are literally comparing him to Hitler. Which by the way, I couldn't help but chuckle at as that stupid ass meme needs to die already. You might not know this, but here these incidents are given 24/7 wall-to-wall coverage where every stupid aspect of the shooters lives are put on display for all to see, and their names drilled repeatedly into peoples heads until you can't help but remember them for what they did. The fact that people are fed up with this cycle and decide just to turn the channel after shrugging ones shoulders upon hearing such things happening doesn't mean that they are "Callous inhuman beings" with no emotional input/output, it just means that people are tired of the media bullshit and would just rather not listen to the bullshit any longer.

Yes it does. That is literally what that adjective means.

Children getting murdered is simply not something you should physically be able to tune out. It's something that is supposed to get to you every single time. If it doesn't than there is something deeply wrong with you. And this is exemplified most by the fact that you don't even mention the actual issue. You don't even respond to the child killing. All you talk about is your reaction to the media coverage. That's not even a thing. The thing is child murder.

[Paddy O Fernature]

Children getting murdered is simply not something you should physically be able to tune out.

And yet, people do it every.. single...day.

Unless of course you're going to tell me that you lose sleep every day thinking about the dead children literally everywhere. In which case, I'm not sure how you even manage to log onto the internet or make it past a news outlet without ceasing to rationally function.

It's something that is supposed to get to you every single time.

And?

Failing to see anywhere where people said that this doesn't effect them at some level. Just because someone doesn't become a triggered little ball of weeping sorrow over this doesn't mean they don't care and are unable to feel/show empathy towards those effected by these incidents.

If it doesn't than there is something deeply wrong with you.

I disagree. Some people are better are just better at dealing with bad news/situations then others are.

And this is exemplified most by the fact that you don't even mention the actual issue. You don't even respond to the child killing. All you talk about is your reaction to the media coverage. That's not even a thing. The thing is child murder.

Why should I? Pretty sure everyone here knows what the topic is about, no sense on beating a dead horse or putting the asshole shooters on a pedestal for their actions.

[Scomagia]

Um... yeah, I'm going to have to disagree with you on several points of this reply. Mainly with the bit where what he said makes him seem "callous and inhuman" and where you are literally comparing him to Hitler. Which by the way, I couldn't help but chuckle at as that stupid ass meme needs to die already. You might not know this, but here these incidents are given 24/7 wall-to-wall coverage where every stupid aspect of the shooters lives are put on display for all to see, and their names drilled repeatedly into peoples heads until you can't help but remember them for what they did. The fact that people are fed up with this cycle and decide just to turn the channel after shrugging ones shoulders upon hearing such things happening doesn't mean that they are "Callous inhuman beings" with no emotional input/output, it just means that people are tired of the media bullshit and would just rather not listen to the bullshit any longer.

Yes it does. That is literally what that adjective means.

Children getting murdered is simply not something you should physically be able to tune out. It's something that is supposed to get to you every single time. If it doesn't than there is something deeply wrong with you. And this is exemplified most by the fact that you don't even mention the actual issue. You don't even respond to the child killing. All you talk about is your reaction to the media coverage. That's not even a thing. The thing is child murder.

Total horseshit. You tune out child murder every day. Everyone tunes out human suffering to a large degree, otherwise we'd all be killing ourselves from despair.

And the media point is perfectly valid. Our mass shooting and terrorism events are covered in an entertaining and sensationalist way that, to my knowledge, is not really mirrored any place else. It's not unreasonable to assess media coverage for possible causative effects on mass shootings.

[Nova Cyberia]

One nation under the NRA.

The be American get shot meme is true.

Always amazes me that some random psycho shoots up a place and people blame the NRA.

The NRA doesn't really go far enough, tbh.

[Nova Cyberia]

not really it happened in Australia, New Zealand, India, Russia, The UK, France you name it

How often does a mass shooting happen in those countries compared to the U.S.?

Mass shootings make up a tiny fraction of homicide in the US.

Why are you so concerned with them and not, ya know, gang violence perpetrated in US cities primarily by people carrying illegal weapons?

[Gormwood]

How often does a mass shooting happen in those countries compared to the U.S.?

Mass shootings make up a tiny fraction of homicide in the US.

Why are you so concerned with them and not, ya know, gang violence perpetrated in US cities primarily by people carrying illegal weapons?

Ah, relative privation.

[Proctopeo]

Mass shootings make up a tiny fraction of homicide in the US.

Why are you so concerned with them and not, ya know, gang violence perpetrated in US cities primarily by people carrying illegal weapons?

Ah, relative privation.

So I assume, then, you have nothing to respond with other than claiming fallacies?

[Ors Might]

Mass shootings make up a tiny fraction of homicide in the US.

Why are you so concerned with them and not, ya know, gang violence perpetrated in US cities primarily by people carrying illegal weapons?

Ah, relative privation.

Gang violence is objectively a more pressing issue though, as well as why it isn’t getting more coverage in the media. My best guess is that it might have something to do with the fact that the majority of those killed in gang violence are black. And blacks killing blacks in the streets just doesn’t sell.

[Nova Cyberia]

Mass shootings make up a tiny fraction of homicide in the US.

Why are you so concerned with them and not, ya know, gang violence perpetrated in US cities primarily by people carrying illegal weapons?

Ah, relative privation.

Not really. Gang violence is objectively a far bigger problem than mass shootings, yet you're far more worried about the latter. Why?

[Vassenor]

Ah, relative privation.

Not really. Gang violence is objectively a far bigger problem than mass shootings, yet you're far more worried about the latter. Why?

Because mass shootings are relevant to the subject of this thread. Gang violence is not and so is little more than a deflection.