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by Minachia » Tue May 07, 2019 3:19 pm
by Shofercia » Tue May 07, 2019 3:51 pm
Minachia wrote:The obvious solution to this is to just let a democratic country like, I don't know, Greece handle Constantin- I mean Istanbul's elections, right?
by Shofercia » Tue May 07, 2019 3:52 pm
United Muscovite Nations wrote:Communist Zombie Horde wrote:Liberals can’t be based or redpilled because they worship mainstream culture and care about the liberal agenda to much to do anything great. Donald trump is however.
Donald Trump isn't based because he clearly cares what the media and intellectuals think about him, as he tweets about it all the time.
He may be redpilled, since he seems to use media outlets like Fox News to influence the electorate and even prime them intellectually for the possibility that he could be constitutionally removed from office, however, if he doesn't actually use this to seize an unconstitutional mandate, I'd be inclined to think it was a fluke.
Liberals can be based and redpilled if they aren't the establishment in a country or international system, for example, Napoleon and Robespierre were liberals who were based and redpilled.
by Negarakita » Tue May 07, 2019 3:57 pm
by Major-Tom » Tue May 07, 2019 4:02 pm
Aclion wrote:So, how is this different from the the UK's attempts to reverse the Brexit decision? or the US democrats attempt's to reverse the 2016 election?
by Major-Tom » Tue May 07, 2019 4:04 pm
Othelos wrote:Anyone in Turkey who voted for Erdogan and DIDN'T see him becoming increasingly authoritarian is frankly - dumb.
by Major-Tom » Tue May 07, 2019 4:07 pm
Eternal Lotharia wrote:Oh look, a dictator using the courts to his advantage to make sure he wins.
And they say trump can't do that here
by Alien Space Bats » Tue May 07, 2019 4:11 pm
Aclion wrote:So, how is this different from the the UK's attempts to reverse the Brexit decision? or the US democrats attempt's to reverse the 2016 election?
by The Lone Alliance » Tue May 07, 2019 4:26 pm
LiberNovusAmericae wrote:They will vote and vote until they vote the "right" way.
by Pasong Tirad » Tue May 07, 2019 4:27 pm
by Shofercia » Tue May 07, 2019 5:21 pm
Alien Space Bats wrote:Aclion wrote:So, how is this different from the the UK's attempts to reverse the Brexit decision? or the US democrats attempt's to reverse the 2016 election?
I'm an American, so my understanding of British politics is limited, but the problem with the U.K.'s current position vis-à-vis Brexit appears to be this: That there are no good ways to implement Brexit, given the Irish border quandary (well, that and the fact that leaving the E.U. is likely to cripple the U.K. economy for at least a decade to come). The Brexit vote is a good example of what's wrong with government by plebiscite: Giving people a simple "Stay" or "Leave" vote on an incredibly complex issue is a sure recipe for disaster. In the U.S., we have the same problem with the issue of Puerto Rican statehood: Puerto Rico keeps trying to resolve the issue through referendums, and keeps getting nowhere, with "Statehood", "Territorial Status", and "Independence" splitting the vote indecisively, and none of the options truly addressing the complex pros and cons of the issue. Parliament should have simply relied on its own judgment to address the issue of the U.K.'s relationship with the E.U., trusting that — as a representative body — Parliament had both the political, moral, and Constitutional power (and with it, the ultimate responsibility) to act in both the name and in the best interests of the British people and resolve the issue on its own (and so, BTW, should Puerto Rico's Legislative Assembly vis-à-vis statehood), letting the people vote their representatives out of office if they don't like what it is they're doing.
Which brings us to the U.S. and the claim that the Democrats are trying to "reverse the 2016 election". What in the Hell does that even mean?So no, neither of these are like what Erdogan is doing in Turkey. Not even close.
- Are you griping about the Democrats winning control of the House in 2018? 'Cause that was just another election, and the issue before the voters in 2016 wasn't, "Shall Donald Trump and the Republicans run America from now on?" Each election is a new game, and neither the people nor the participants are bound to let the current party remain in power just because they're the party in power.
- Or are you griping about the Democrats seeking to defeat Trump in 2020? 'Cause if you are, refer to the foregoing.
- Or is it the investigation of possible wrongdoing on Trump's part, or that of his Cabinet, his closest advisers, etc.?
Because that's just Congress' JOB. It's called "oversight", and it's among the checks and balances in our system, which are designed to curb abuse by an out-of-control President.- Or is it the threat of impeachment? Because if THAT'S it, you have no cause to complain, either. After all:
- Donald Trump wouldn't be facing impeachment if he hadn't committed multiple counts of obstruction of justice, ordered his Administration to defy lawful Congressional subpoenas, ordered his Cabinet officials to break the law, and otherwise abused his authority in half a hundred ways. After all, we didn't elect a King in 2016 (as much as Donald Trump would like to think we did); we elected a President — and Presidents have limits on their authority, beginning with the requirement that they work within the Constitution and obey the law.
- The Republicans will never consent to allow their beloved Tin God to be removed from office, so the matter is moot: Trump will never be removed from office through impeachment regardless of his criminality and his undisguised desire to be America's first dictator. So what's the point of bitching about an effort that's certain to fail?
- If by some miracle Trump DOES get removed from office through impeachment, Mike Pence will become President, not Hillary Clinton (or some other Democrat). So how in the Hell would THAT constitute "reversing the 2016 election"?!? Do you honestly believe that the Democrats love them some Mike Pence like nobody's business and are just pining to death to see him become President?
by Kowani » Tue May 07, 2019 5:39 pm
by Myrensis » Tue May 07, 2019 6:06 pm
Aclion wrote:So, how is this different from the the UK's attempts to reverse the Brexit decision? or the US democrats attempt's to reverse the 2016 election?
by Kowani » Tue May 07, 2019 9:01 pm
Nakena wrote:At this point it would probably make more sense if the Istanbul Mayor would be directly appointed by the President.
by Duhon » Tue May 07, 2019 11:48 pm
Pasong Tirad wrote:Turkey should just crown Erdogan a Sultan and be done with all this hiding behind the thin facade of democratic processes.
by Vassenor » Tue May 07, 2019 11:51 pm
by Deutschess Kaiserreich » Tue May 07, 2019 11:55 pm
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by The Free Joy State » Wed May 08, 2019 12:31 am
Aclion wrote:So, how is this different from the the UK's attempts to reverse the Brexit decision? or the US democrats attempt's to reverse the 2016 election?
by Alien Space Bats » Wed May 08, 2019 2:35 am
Shofercia wrote:That's not quite the same ASB, and by that, I'm referring to US vs UK. In the US - Republicans set America's Economic Agenda, whereas in the UK, the heel dragging is becoming atrocious. We both realize that the Trump Impeachment accusations are gamesmanship for the 2020 Presidential Election; an anti-BREXIT vote was quite different.
The parts of England that voted to remain are London, Scotland, and Northern Ireland. Oh yeah - Gibraltar too. That's it. Quite a few others preferred to leave, precisely because their economic policies are being ignored. You had London vote to remain, and entities that fear London more than Brussels, or detached entities. That's it. And who is setting their economic agenda? Nigel Farage didn't come to power with the BREXIT vote, and all May's actually done is say "ya, ya, big deal, very complex, I drag feet, watch" - whereas in the US we heard economic points from both parties. (Not to be confused with political ranting from both parties)
by Phoenicaea » Wed May 08, 2019 2:45 am
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