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23 June 2019 Istanbul mayoral election

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Who Wins ?

Ekrem İmamoğlu (Kemalism)
25
83%
Binali Yıldırım (Political Islam)
5
17%
Mustafa İlker Yücel
0
No votes
Necdet Gökçınar(Dissident Political Islam)
0
No votes
Doğan Duman
0
No votes
 
Total votes : 30

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Myrensis
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Postby Myrensis » Tue May 07, 2019 2:18 pm

Curious about how exactly Erdogan is going to fix it, or if he'll just keep calling for new elections until he gets the 'correct' result.

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Postby Communist Zombie Horde » Tue May 07, 2019 2:19 pm

South Odreria wrote:Support Rojava yall

Why would I support a terrorist group? The dems try forcing remotes under elections they elready rig and they are evil. The government can have a remote if thy want- or even stop voting which is dumb anyway.
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Postby Vassenor » Tue May 07, 2019 2:23 pm

United Muscovite Nations wrote:Based and redpilled.


Your logic makes no sense.
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Postby Communist Zombie Horde » Tue May 07, 2019 2:25 pm

Vassenor wrote:
United Muscovite Nations wrote:Based and redpilled.


Your logic makes no sense.

You don’t have logic- but the based and redpilled thing to do would to take the government over and declare a dictatorship.
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Postby Communist Zombie Horde » Tue May 07, 2019 2:26 pm

Duhon wrote:
An Alan Smithee Nation wrote:https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-48190351

Much criticism from the EU, and others, as Erdogan decides to re-run the mayoral vote in Istanbul that his party narrowly lost last month. To me another sign that Erdogan is taking Turkey deeper into dictatorship.


Let's not give Trump ideas, now...

Yes we should. Trump should here the people’s voice and know how much we support him.
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Postby Nova Cyberia » Tue May 07, 2019 2:33 pm

LiberNovusAmericae wrote:They will vote and vote until they vote the "right" way.

Hey, kind of like the UK with Brexit and all the Labour MPs who want another vote to "confirm" the results.
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Postby Communist Zombie Horde » Tue May 07, 2019 2:34 pm

Nova Cyberia wrote:
LiberNovusAmericae wrote:They will vote and vote until they vote the "right" way.

Hey, kind of like the UK with Brexit and all the Labour MPs who want another vote to "confirm" the results.

It is like communism and the ussr and the third Reich.
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Postby United Muscovite Nations » Tue May 07, 2019 2:34 pm

Vassenor wrote:
United Muscovite Nations wrote:Based and redpilled.


Your logic makes no sense.

Based = the state of not caring what others think of you.
Redpilled = the state of being aware of the limitations that social constructs place upon the thinking of people, and rejecting these limitations.
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Postby Internationalist Bastard » Tue May 07, 2019 2:34 pm

Ah nothing like one party democracy
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Postby Heloin » Tue May 07, 2019 2:37 pm

Internationalist Bastard wrote:Ah nothing like one party democracy

It's so much easier to vote when you don't have a choice! It takes all the pesky thinking out of it :p

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Postby Internationalist Bastard » Tue May 07, 2019 2:38 pm

Heloin wrote:
Internationalist Bastard wrote:Ah nothing like one party democracy

It's so much easier to vote when you don't have a choice! It takes all the pesky thinking out of it :p

Ain’t no party like an authoritarian party cuz an authoritarian party doesn’t allow no other parties
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Postby Nova Cyberia » Tue May 07, 2019 2:39 pm

Myrensis wrote:Curious about how exactly Erdogan is going to fix it, or if he'll just keep calling for new elections until he gets the 'correct' result.

yep. kind of like the UK with Brexit and all the Labour MPs who want a second referendum to "confirm" the results.
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Postby Internationalist Bastard » Tue May 07, 2019 2:40 pm

United Muscovite Nations wrote:
Vassenor wrote:
Your logic makes no sense.

Based = the state of not caring what others think of you.
Redpilled = the state of being aware of the limitations that social constructs place upon the thinking of people, and rejecting these limitations.

Sometimes I wish my ideology had its own vocabulary
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Postby Aclion » Tue May 07, 2019 2:43 pm

So, how is this different from the the UK's attempts to reverse the Brexit decision? or the US democrats attempt's to reverse the 2016 election?
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Postby Nova Cyberia » Tue May 07, 2019 2:43 pm

Aclion wrote:So, how is this different from the the UK's attempts to reverse the Brexit decision? or the US democrats attempt's to reverse the 2016 election?

It's not.
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Postby United Muscovite Nations » Tue May 07, 2019 2:44 pm

Internationalist Bastard wrote:
United Muscovite Nations wrote:Based = the state of not caring what others think of you.
Redpilled = the state of being aware of the limitations that social constructs place upon the thinking of people, and rejecting these limitations.

Sometimes I wish my ideology had its own vocabulary

It's not an ideology so much as just chan lingo.

Anyone can be based and redpilled regardless of their ideology, it's not a judgement of their moral goodness or wrongness, but rather a judgement of 1) their self-confidence and 2) their ability to manipulate social constructs to their own ends.

Erdogan is "Based" because he doesn't care what Western governments or his political opponents think of him, he happily ignores them because he knows that their opinions don't matter.
Erdogan is "Redpilled" because he knows that as long as he can manipulate enough of the population into thinking he is right, then he can use this to gain unconstitutional power.
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Postby Internationalist Bastard » Tue May 07, 2019 2:44 pm

Aclion wrote:So, how is this different from the the UK's attempts to reverse the Brexit decision? or the US democrats attempt's to reverse the 2016 election?

Well for one thing it’s not the president abusing power to go around democracy, just people trying to reverse a a vote
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Postby Othelos » Tue May 07, 2019 2:50 pm

Anyone in Turkey who voted for Erdogan and DIDN'T see him becoming increasingly authoritarian is frankly - dumb.

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Postby Communist Zombie Horde » Tue May 07, 2019 2:53 pm

United Muscovite Nations wrote:
Internationalist Bastard wrote:Sometimes I wish my ideology had its own vocabulary

It's not an ideology so much as just chan lingo.

Anyone can be based and redpilled regardless of their ideology, it's not a judgement of their moral goodness or wrongness, but rather a judgement of 1) their self-confidence and 2) their ability to manipulate social constructs to their own ends.

Erdogan is "Based" because he doesn't care what Western governments or his political opponents think of him, he happily ignores them because he knows that their opinions don't matter.
Erdogan is "Redpilled" because he knows that as long as he can manipulate enough of the population into thinking he is right, then he can use this to gain unconstitutional power.

Liberals can’t be based or redpilled because they worship mainstream culture and care about the liberal agenda to much to do anything great. Donald trump is however.
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Postby Communist Zombie Horde » Tue May 07, 2019 2:55 pm

Othelos wrote:Anyone in Turkey who voted for Erdogan and DIDN'T see him becoming increasingly authoritarian is frankly - dumb.

Ok liberal who supports the totalitarian eu.
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Postby United Muscovite Nations » Tue May 07, 2019 2:56 pm

Communist Zombie Horde wrote:
United Muscovite Nations wrote:It's not an ideology so much as just chan lingo.

Anyone can be based and redpilled regardless of their ideology, it's not a judgement of their moral goodness or wrongness, but rather a judgement of 1) their self-confidence and 2) their ability to manipulate social constructs to their own ends.

Erdogan is "Based" because he doesn't care what Western governments or his political opponents think of him, he happily ignores them because he knows that their opinions don't matter.
Erdogan is "Redpilled" because he knows that as long as he can manipulate enough of the population into thinking he is right, then he can use this to gain unconstitutional power.

Liberals can’t be based or redpilled because they worship mainstream culture and care about the liberal agenda to much to do anything great. Donald trump is however.

Donald Trump isn't based because he clearly cares what the media and intellectuals think about him, as he tweets about it all the time.

He may be redpilled, since he seems to use media outlets like Fox News to influence the electorate and even prime them intellectually for the possibility that he could be constitutionally removed from office, however, if he doesn't actually use this to seize an unconstitutional mandate, I'd be inclined to think it was a fluke.

Liberals can be based and redpilled if they aren't the establishment in a country or international system, for example, Napoleon and Robespierre were liberals who were based and redpilled.
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Postby Communist Zombie Horde » Tue May 07, 2019 3:04 pm

United Muscovite Nations wrote:
Communist Zombie Horde wrote:Liberals can’t be based or redpilled because they worship mainstream culture and care about the liberal agenda to much to do anything great. Donald trump is however.

Donald Trump isn't based because he clearly cares what the media and intellectuals think about him, as he tweets about it all the time.

He may be redpilled, since he seems to use media outlets like Fox News to influence the electorate and even prime them intellectually for the possibility that he could be constitutionally removed from office, however, if he doesn't actually use this to seize an unconstitutional mandate, I'd be inclined to think it was a fluke.

Liberals can be based and redpilled if they aren't the establishment in a country or international system, for example, Napoleon and Robespierre were liberals who were based and redpilled.

I used to think he did- but he doesnt. He says literally fucking everything to piss them off to the point the fake news media isn’t believed and his numbers go up. He doesnt listen to people who are supposedly more qualified like liberal reporters government officials and economists. He says whatever he wants because he will always get the same response no matter what he does. He says things that normal people’s would think unthinkable and acts like he hasn’t lived in society for more than a few years. Either that or he’s never cared about how society is supposed to work.
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Postby Duhon » Tue May 07, 2019 3:09 pm

United Muscovite Nations wrote:
Vassenor wrote:
Your logic makes no sense.

Based = the state of not caring what others think of you.
Redpilled = the state of being aware of the limitations that social constructs place upon the thinking of people, and rejecting these limitations.


Ah, freeing the strongman to strongarm the rest to their certain destruction. Supremely understandable -- and contemptible.

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Postby Communist Zombie Horde » Tue May 07, 2019 3:13 pm

Duhon wrote:
United Muscovite Nations wrote:Based = the state of not caring what others think of you.
Redpilled = the state of being aware of the limitations that social constructs place upon the thinking of people, and rejecting these limitations.


Ah, freeing the strongman to strongarm the rest to their certain destruction. Supremely understandable -- and contemptible.

Strongmen are often good leaders and not necessarily dictators.
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Postby United Muscovite Nations » Tue May 07, 2019 3:14 pm

Duhon wrote:
United Muscovite Nations wrote:Based = the state of not caring what others think of you.
Redpilled = the state of being aware of the limitations that social constructs place upon the thinking of people, and rejecting these limitations.


Ah, freeing the strongman to strongarm the rest to their certain destruction. Supremely understandable -- and contemptible.

Indeed. The based and redpilled dichotomy does not necessarily mean they are good or bad. Some use it to mean that, but oftentimes being based and redpilled is very bad because such people oftentimes influence society negatively in the pursuit of their self interest.
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