Brunei makes U-turn on gay sex death penalty

[Thermodolia]

Someone needs to “find” the worlds largest oil reserves under the joint so it can have some freedom.

Or someone fax the White House saying that there’s oil under Brunei and then sign it “future Trump.” Trump would absolutely believe it.

Um...

Oil and gas and government spending still account for most of Brunei's economic activity
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economy_o ... s_industry

And Japan imports the majority of it

[Thermodolia]

So they’re keeping it on the books, just not acting on it?

That’s shit.

Someone needs to “find” the worlds largest oil reserves under the joint so it can have some freedom.

Or someone fax the White House saying that there’s oil under Brunei and then sign it “future Trump.” Trump would absolutely believe it.

Brunei has a proven oil reserve less then that of Australia, Congo(Brazzaville), and Chad. The nations of the world could very well just ignore Brunei and suffer minimal if any effects on oil prices.

Except Japan who would suffer quite a bit

[Slotted Floppies]

Oh.
Oh no.

RIP Brunei, we just wanted y’all to treat gay folk alrightish.
We didn’t mean America Fuck Yeah you.

We are so sorry.

It is no longer the early 2000s.
That invade for oil meme is about as relevant as nu-metal,

Times change.

The US is now the worlds largest oil producer.
Bigger than Saudi Arabia.

Yeah I don’t really care that my memes aren’t fashionable enough for you.

[Heloin]

Brunei has a proven oil reserve less then that of Australia, Congo(Brazzaville), and Chad. The nations of the world could very well just ignore Brunei and suffer minimal if any effects on oil prices.

Except Japan who would suffer quite a bit

Japan should find a better country to import oil from.

[Tankmen]

Good, the gay agenda is advancing as planned.

[Farnhamia]

Just do this with the king of brunai

*image snipped*

and maybe Muhammad....

*** Warned for flame-bait. ***

[Senkaku]

might as well flatten them anyways in case they think abt re-introducing it at some point

[Scomagia]

I wouldnt be surprised if this is a temporary maneuver. Back pedal a little, wait until the heat dies down, then resume the same course.

In any case, execution is a punishment which should be exercised for only the most extreme offenses, of which gay sex is not one. I'm glad international pressure worked to stop this, if only temporarily.

[Badb Catha]

While ultimately a welcome development, I disagree with the methodology. A sovereign state should never have to fear reprisal from foreign nations in regards to it's own domestic policy. Barbaric though the laws were, it is within the Sultan's legal right to implement them. It would have been better had he had a change of heart due to moral concerns, or if he had been coerced through internal forces rather than foreign interventionists. But what is done is done; I will look forward to further developments (if there are any) with interest.

[Heloin]

While ultimately a welcome development, I disagree with the methodology. A sovereign state should never have to fear reprisal from foreign nations in regards to it's own domestic policy. Barbaric though the laws were, it is within the Sultan's legal right to implement them. It would have been better had he had a change of heart due to moral concerns, or if he had been coerced through internal forces rather than foreign interventionists. But what is done is done; I will look forward to further developments (if there are any) with interest.

Why should states be exempt from reprisal from commuting heinous acts just because they are only doing it to their own citizens?

[Badb Catha]

While ultimately a welcome development, I disagree with the methodology. A sovereign state should never have to fear reprisal from foreign nations in regards to it's own domestic policy. Barbaric though the laws were, it is within the Sultan's legal right to implement them. It would have been better had he had a change of heart due to moral concerns, or if he had been coerced through internal forces rather than foreign interventionists. But what is done is done; I will look forward to further developments (if there are any) with interest.

Why should states be exempt from reprisal from commuting heinous acts just because they are only doing it to their own citizens?

Because it is not the right of foreigners to decide how a state runs itself, no matter how vile and repugnant it's actions may be. Domestic misrule requires domestic intervention; not foreign intervention.

[Andsed]

While ultimately a welcome development, I disagree with the methodology. A sovereign state should never have to fear reprisal from foreign nations in regards to it's own domestic policy. Barbaric though the laws were, it is within the Sultan's legal right to implement them. It would have been better had he had a change of heart due to moral concerns, or if he had been coerced through internal forces rather than foreign interventionists. But what is done is done; I will look forward to further developments (if there are any) with interest.

Oh please the outside has every right to sanction Brunei for this. If they want to oppress and murder their civilians because of outdated and fucking ricdlous ideas that is their right as a sovereign nation. But the rest of the world has every right to cut off trade with Brunei until they stop murdering innocents.

[Heloin]

Why should states be exempt from reprisal from commuting heinous acts just because they are only doing it to their own citizens?

Because it is not the right of foreigners to decide how a state runs itself, no matter how vile and repugnant it's actions may be. Domestic misrule requires domestic intervention; not foreign intervention.

Genocide ends when a foreign powers directly or through proxy ends it, or the genocide succeeds. Which do you prefer then?

While ultimately a welcome development, I disagree with the methodology. A sovereign state should never have to fear reprisal from foreign nations in regards to it's own domestic policy. Barbaric though the laws were, it is within the Sultan's legal right to implement them. It would have been better had he had a change of heart due to moral concerns, or if he had been coerced through internal forces rather than foreign interventionists. But what is done is done; I will look forward to further developments (if there are any) with interest.

Oh please the outside has every right to sanction Brunei for this. If they want to oppress and murder their civilians because of outdated and fucking ricdlous ideas that is their right as a sovereign nation. But the rest of the world has every right to cut off trade with Brunei until they stop murdering innocents.

The rights of other countries don't matter as much as countries that commit heinous crimes apparently.

[Badb Catha]

While ultimately a welcome development, I disagree with the methodology. A sovereign state should never have to fear reprisal from foreign nations in regards to it's own domestic policy. Barbaric though the laws were, it is within the Sultan's legal right to implement them. It would have been better had he had a change of heart due to moral concerns, or if he had been coerced through internal forces rather than foreign interventionists. But what is done is done; I will look forward to further developments (if there are any) with interest.

Oh please the outside has every right to sanction Brunei for this. If they want to oppress and murder their civilians because of outdated and fucking ricdlous ideas that is their right as a sovereign nation. But the rest of the world has every right to cut off trade with Brunei until they stop murdering innocents.

Cutting off trade is not the same as sanctioning. The former I can agree with; the latter I cannot.

Because it is not the right of foreigners to decide how a state runs itself, no matter how vile and repugnant it's actions may be. Domestic misrule requires domestic intervention; not foreign intervention.

Genocide ends when a foreign powers directly or through proxy ends it, or the genocide succeeds. Which do you prefer then?

Genocide is not the topic of this thread, nor is the scenario you described that black and white. As I said before: domestic misrule requires domestic intervention. If the State is waging an unjust war against the Nation, then the Nation must resist and bite the State.

[Heloin]

Genocide ends when a foreign powers directly or through proxy ends it, or the genocide succeeds. Which do you prefer then?

Genocide is not the topic of this thread, nor is the scenario you described that black and white. As I said before: domestic misrule requires domestic intervention. If the State is waging an unjust war against the Nation, then the Nation must resist and bite the State.

You said there is no situation in which a country should ever intervene in another country. Genocides don't end internally, they end from external forces. If you want to stick to the black and white view that intervene can never be justified then be my guest.

Westphalian sovereignty isn't some magical thing that automatically means other countries have to be 100% fine with what other countries do internally.

[Badb Catha]

Genocide is not the topic of this thread, nor is the scenario you described that black and white. As I said before: domestic misrule requires domestic intervention. If the State is waging an unjust war against the Nation, then the Nation must resist and bite the State.

You said there is no situation in which a country should ever intervene in another country. Genocides don't end internally, they end from external forces. If you want to stick to the black and white view that intervene can never be justified then be my guest.

Westphalian sovereignty isn't some magical thing that automatically means other countries have to be 100% fine with what other countries do internally.

I did not say anything about being fine with it; a sovereign nation is free to protest or complain to another sovereign nation about it's policies. That does not give them the right to intervene in another countries affairs.

Genocide can end internally; it is foolish to suggest otherwise. People do not lay down to be slaughtered. They will always resist, and sometimes they may even win.

[Heloin]

You said there is no situation in which a country should ever intervene in another country. Genocides don't end internally, they end from external forces. If you want to stick to the black and white view that intervene can never be justified then be my guest.

Westphalian sovereignty isn't some magical thing that automatically means other countries have to be 100% fine with what other countries do internally.

I did not say anything about being fine with it; a sovereign nation is free to protest or complain to another sovereign nation about it's policies. That does not give them the right to intervene in another countries affairs.

Countries aren't forced to trade with countries doing horrible things and can rightly sanction them. Even complaining is in some way intervening if in the laziest possible one. You're whole argument only works under the premise that other countries have to be fine with it otherwise they are in some way no matter how small violating their sovereignty.

Genocide can end internally; it is foolish to suggest otherwise. People do not lay down to be slaughtered. They will always resist, and sometimes they may even win.

People will resist. And without outside interference to help them they will always fail. The Irish revolted, the Armenians fought back, the Aboriginals waged wars, they all failed.

[Senkaku]

I wouldnt be surprised if this is a temporary maneuver. Back pedal a little, wait until the heat dies down, then resume the same course.

^ yah I have similar concerns

While ultimately a welcome development, I disagree with the methodology. A sovereign state should never have to fear reprisal from foreign nations in regards to it's own domestic policy. Barbaric though the laws were, it is within the Sultan's legal right to implement them. It would have been better had he had a change of heart due to moral concerns, or if he had been coerced through internal forces rather than foreign interventionists. But what is done is done; I will look forward to further developments (if there are any) with interest.

I'm going to rewrite some of this to be better:
"A sovereign state should always have to fear reprisal from foreign nations in regards to its own domestic policy. The laws were barbaric and foreign states should absolutely stand up for human rights in such cases. It would have been better had he been deposed by an internal uprising or American-led invasion. But what is done is done; I will look forward to further developments (if there are any) with interest."
I'll also note- he wasn't "coerced" by anyone, much less "foreign interventionists." He started getting bad press and celebrities stopped staying in his hotels, major powers didn't start sanctioning Brunei.

Cutting off trade is not the same as sanctioning.

th-

I-

you know what, there's no point lol

[Duhon]

Why should states be exempt from reprisal from commuting heinous acts just because they are only doing it to their own citizens?

Because it is not the right of foreigners to decide how a state runs itself, no matter how vile and repugnant it's actions may be. Domestic misrule requires domestic intervention; not foreign intervention.

Nazis? sHitler.

[Galloism]

Because it is not the right of foreigners to decide how a state runs itself, no matter how vile and repugnant it's actions may be. Domestic misrule requires domestic intervention; not foreign intervention.

Nazis? sHitler.

Well, admittedly, Hitler killed people next door. After a couple years we really won’t stand for that.

[United Muscovite Nations]

I worry this will allow him to get away with whipping and jailing people for it Scott free.

This is a common negotiation strategy. Make the most extreme demand so that people think your actual position is more reasonable and a concession, when on its own it would still be considered extreme.

Here I worry that the outrage over the stoning will dissipate, people and companies continue to support his brutal regime by dropping the boycott despite the fact that even without stoning the regime commits gross suppression of political and civil liberties.

I mean I think it is a concession because I'm pretty sure they already had flogging for it.

[Duhon]

They gave in like cowards not surprised

The real cowardice is putting people who have done nothing to you on the chopping block.

[Wunderstrafanstalt]

Hotel boycott, airline boycott... who says the free market doesn't work?

This.

Not killing people for gay sex is a positive development. The Sultan of Brunei should still told to get fucked since he alone decides what laws Brunei follows and he clearly still wants this law. Made more clear since he hasn't gotten rid of the law, just stated that it won't be enforced.

In conjunction with the Free Market Solution, the problem (and the sharia enforcement) will sadly only go away after the oil and gas run out and the government is forced to make pro-economy reforms, better yet pro-tourism.

[Risottia]

Turns out that the Sultan prefers money to keeping to a strict version of Sharia.
Inshallah.

Less "money", and more "slightly increase his standing on the international stage"

Yeah, I guess you're right, although the hotel chains abroad provide His Sultanness' pockets with a lovely influx of foreign currency in foreign accounts.

[Andsed]

Oh please the outside has every right to sanction Brunei for this. If they want to oppress and murder their civilians because of outdated and fucking ricdlous ideas that is their right as a sovereign nation. But the rest of the world has every right to cut off trade with Brunei until they stop murdering innocents.

Cutting off trade is not the same as sanctioning. The former I can agree with; the latter I cannot.

What world are you living in where sanctions is not the same thing as cutting off trade?