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Postby Heloin » Mon May 06, 2019 9:41 am

Khataiy wrote:They gave in like cowards not surprised

Good. Next step, get rid of the Sultan of Brunei.

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Postby Unstoppable Empire of Doom » Mon May 06, 2019 9:43 am

Just do this with the king of brunai

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and maybe Muhammad....
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Postby -Astoria » Mon May 06, 2019 9:50 am

Unstoppable Empire of Doom wrote:and maybe Muhammad....


...so proposing an impossible task?
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Postby The New California Republic » Mon May 06, 2019 10:17 am

Khataiy wrote:They gave in like cowards not surprised

There is a time and a place for that kind of talk; this isn't one of them.
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Postby Gormwood » Mon May 06, 2019 10:21 am

Khataiy wrote:They gave in like cowards not surprised

The Sultan and his brother have a long history of being hedonistic party animals. If you think making homosexuality a capital crime suddenly makes the Sultan a holy man then you swallowed exactly what he was hoping for.

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Postby -Astoria » Mon May 06, 2019 10:49 am

Gormwood wrote:
Khataiy wrote:They gave in like cowards not surprised

The Sultan and his brother have a long history of being hedonistic party animals. If you think making homosexuality a capital crime...

Again, it was gay sex that was put as being a capital offence, not homosexuality - let's get that right

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Postby Esheaun Stroakuss » Mon May 06, 2019 10:53 am

Whatever the reason, I am glad this Draconian and barbaric law has not been passed. Let people bum each other.
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Postby Ifreann » Mon May 06, 2019 10:55 am

Esheaun Stroakuss wrote:Whatever the reason, I am glad this Draconian and barbaric law has not been passed. Let people bum each other.

The law was passed and is remaining in effect, the Sultan is just putting a moratorium on executions. It is still a crime to have gay sex in Brunei.
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Postby Esheaun Stroakuss » Mon May 06, 2019 10:57 am

Ifreann wrote:
Esheaun Stroakuss wrote:Whatever the reason, I am glad this Draconian and barbaric law has not been passed. Let people bum each other.

The law was passed and is remaining in effect, the Sultan is just putting a moratorium on executions. It is still a crime to have gay sex in Brunei.


Oh.

Well fuck them.
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Postby Major-Tom » Mon May 06, 2019 11:00 am

While I'm quite happy that they caved under pressure to reverse the decision - maybe it's about time the West pressures countries like Saudi Arabia to reverse their stone age policies for homosexuals.

Or is condemning and pressuring the Saudis and other oil-rich gulf countries just "too scary?"

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Postby The New California Republic » Mon May 06, 2019 11:09 am

Esheaun Stroakuss wrote:Whatever the reason, I am glad this Draconian and barbaric law has not been passed. Let people bum each other.

I misread that last line as "let's bum each other", and was going to say that it's the first time I've seen an open proposition for sex here on the forums. :?
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Postby Esheaun Stroakuss » Mon May 06, 2019 11:11 am

The New California Republic wrote:
Esheaun Stroakuss wrote:Whatever the reason, I am glad this Draconian and barbaric law has not been passed. Let people bum each other.

I misread that last line as "let's bum each other", and was going to say that it's the first time I've seen an open proposition for sex here on the forums. :?


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Postby Risottia » Mon May 06, 2019 11:18 am

Turns out that the Sultan prefers money to keeping to a strict version of Sharia.
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Postby Novus America » Mon May 06, 2019 11:36 am

Major-Tom wrote:While I'm quite happy that they caved under pressure to reverse the decision - maybe it's about time the West pressures countries like Saudi Arabia to reverse their stone age policies for homosexuals.

Or is condemning and pressuring the Saudis and other oil-rich gulf countries just "too scary?"


Brunei is a petro state. Not in the Gulf but still.

Especially with the US about to become a net exporter of oil we no longer need their blood oil.
The Europeans on the other hand will likely be of no help.

Also this was mostly private pressure, from private American companies and individuals which is probably the easiest way.
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Postby -Astoria » Mon May 06, 2019 11:39 am

Risottia wrote:Turns out that the Sultan prefers money to keeping to a strict version of Sharia.
Inshallah.

Less "money", and more "slightly increase his standing on the international stage"

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Postby Slotted Floppies » Mon May 06, 2019 11:57 am

So they’re keeping it on the books, just not acting on it?

That’s shit.

Someone needs to “find” the worlds largest oil reserves under the joint so it can have some freedom.

Or someone fax the White House saying that there’s oil under Brunei and then sign it “future Trump.” Trump would absolutely believe it.
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Postby Astoriya » Mon May 06, 2019 12:02 pm

Novus America wrote:Brunei has an atrocious record on political and human rights, not just this.

The problem is not canning per se, it is canning for consensual sex that is the problem.

And forget the double standards BS. Really that is just relative privation.
We do not have to fix all the problems everywhere in the world before we try to fix any.
Divide and conquer. Attack one at a time.

Right now we know Brunei is weak to economic pressure and we can get concessions from them.
So we should exploit that.

You can't have it both ways - it isn't "BS", it's a clear example of double standards.
Also, surely it'd be better to attack the Sultan alone, rather than the entire nation, eh?
Slotted Floppies wrote:So they’re keeping it on the books, just not acting on it?

That’s shit.

Someone needs to “find” the worlds largest oil reserves under the joint so it can have some freedom.

Or someone fax the White House saying that there’s oil under Brunei and then sign it “future Trump.” Trump would absolutely believe it.

Look on the bright side - at least they're not likely to try stepping the line anytime soon.

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Postby The New California Republic » Mon May 06, 2019 12:03 pm

Slotted Floppies wrote:Someone needs to “find” the worlds largest oil reserves under the joint so it can have some freedom.

Or someone fax the White House saying that there’s oil under Brunei and then sign it “future Trump.” Trump would absolutely believe it.

Um...

Oil and gas and government spending still account for most of Brunei's economic activity
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economy_o ... s_industry

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Postby Heloin » Mon May 06, 2019 12:04 pm

Slotted Floppies wrote:So they’re keeping it on the books, just not acting on it?

That’s shit.

Someone needs to “find” the worlds largest oil reserves under the joint so it can have some freedom.

Or someone fax the White House saying that there’s oil under Brunei and then sign it “future Trump.” Trump would absolutely believe it.

Brunei has a proven oil reserve less then that of Australia, Congo(Brazzaville), and Chad. The nations of the world could very well just ignore Brunei and suffer minimal if any effects on oil prices.

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Postby Hammer Britannia » Mon May 06, 2019 12:07 pm

Honestly, any law restricting what consenting adults do in bed is fucked up. Straight, Gay, Bi, Masturbation, whatever, what you do in the bedroom should stay in the bedroom.
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Postby Slotted Floppies » Mon May 06, 2019 12:07 pm

The New California Republic wrote:
Slotted Floppies wrote:Someone needs to “find” the worlds largest oil reserves under the joint so it can have some freedom.

Or someone fax the White House saying that there’s oil under Brunei and then sign it “future Trump.” Trump would absolutely believe it.

Um...

Oil and gas and government spending still account for most of Brunei's economic activity
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economy_o ... s_industry

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RIP Brunei, we just wanted y’all to treat gay folk alrightish.
We didn’t mean America Fuck Yeah you.

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Postby Hammer Britannia » Mon May 06, 2019 12:10 pm

Slotted Floppies wrote:
The New California Republic wrote:Um...

Oil and gas and government spending still account for most of Brunei's economic activity
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economy_o ... s_industry

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Oh.
Oh no.

RIP Brunei, we just wanted y’all to treat gay folk alrightish.
We didn’t mean America Fuck Yeah you.

We are so sorry.

I'm not
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Postby The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp » Mon May 06, 2019 1:07 pm

Yay, they made a uturn after everyone on earth said that killing gay people for being gay is fucking stupid.

Now legalise gay sex.

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Postby Novus America » Mon May 06, 2019 1:43 pm

Astoriya wrote:
Novus America wrote:Brunei has an atrocious record on political and human rights, not just this.

The problem is not canning per se, it is canning for consensual sex that is the problem.

And forget the double standards BS. Really that is just relative privation.
We do not have to fix all the problems everywhere in the world before we try to fix any.
Divide and conquer. Attack one at a time.

Right now we know Brunei is weak to economic pressure and we can get concessions from them.
So we should exploit that.

You can't have it both ways - it isn't "BS", it's a clear example of double standards.
Also, surely it'd be better to attack the Sultan alone, rather than the entire nation, eh?
Slotted Floppies wrote:So they’re keeping it on the books, just not acting on it?

That’s shit.

Someone needs to “find” the worlds largest oil reserves under the joint so it can have some freedom.

Or someone fax the White House saying that there’s oil under Brunei and then sign it “future Trump.” Trump would absolutely believe it.

Look on the bright side - at least they're not likely to try stepping the line anytime soon.


Double standards happen. Again saying we should do nothing unless we fix everything at the same time is a terrible policy. The double standards thing is just a relative privation excuse to do nothing.

Defeating problems one at a time is a valid approach.

The Sultan okay, but the Sultan is Brunei, the whole country is his personal fiefdom.
But yeah target him, though he is the government.
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Postby Novus America » Mon May 06, 2019 1:48 pm

Slotted Floppies wrote:
The New California Republic wrote:Um...

Oil and gas and government spending still account for most of Brunei's economic activity
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economy_o ... s_industry

Image



Oh.
Oh no.

RIP Brunei, we just wanted y’all to treat gay folk alrightish.
We didn’t mean America Fuck Yeah you.

We are so sorry.


It is no longer the early 2000s.
That invade for oil meme is about as relevant as nu-metal,

Times change.

The US is now the worlds largest oil producer.
Bigger than Saudi Arabia.
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