Does America deserve to be the “Police of the world”?

[Belinka]

Note: Try and stay on topic this time, my last thread on the military budget was locked because it got to off topic.

Many people believe that the American military does a bit to much regarding interventions. Some people believe that the US deserves this power, having built the world’s largest military under a democratic government.

I just want to hear some people’s thoughts on the subject, as many feel very strongly about it.

As I said above, please stay on topic. I don’t want another locked thread.

[Conserative Morality]

We don't deserve it. It's not something to be desired, nor a punishment that anyone deserves to be inflicted with. But it is necessary that America play the part with her allies if the current world order is to be upheld.

[Saint Ignis]

No, of course not. No country should police the world. The only thing the American state deserves is revolution.

[Aclion]

It's not a matter of deserving it. It's that we're the only ones who can.

[Erythrean Thebes]

Their claim to do so rests on the assertion that the world has one set of universal natural laws. They being the system of human rights articulated by the United Nations. According to this theory, anyone can take up the responsibility of policing the world, in order to enforce these selfsame human rights. It also stands to reason, if the United States or anybody for that matter invokes the universal law as justification but actually pursues a different aim, you are in a position where normally as a cop the citizens would try to fire you, and at the least your boss would have to consider reigning you in. And bad cops in a community jeopardize the success of the whole department and its mission. France, Britain and the other cops are clearly thinking about leaving the force to escape from the blowback - if we're lucky, they'll pursue justice according to their own conscience with their own means. Maybe Germany will ask Canada for advice and bring in some fresh meat to the force, since they are soon to be in charge. But the best will always be if the civilians would take some responsibility for policing themselves.

I still don't believe that any alternative to the theory of human rights can withstand scrutiny

[Belinka]

We don't deserve it. It's not something to be desired, nor a punishment that anyone deserves to be inflicted with. But it is necessary that America play the part with her allies if the current world order is to be upheld.

I really like that view on it. “It’s not something to be desired” makes a lot of sense. Right now I’m just waiting for an ultra-patriot to come in and have a differing opinion. Especially because there are people in the US government who believe they deserve to be the police of the world.

[Galloism]

I feel like if we're going to be world police, we need to start collecting taxes from the world. After all, state services are supported by the populace, and people will not voluntarily fund public goods.

[The Emerald Legion]

Ha. Like the UN has any moral authority.

The USA should drop out interventionist policies and take up Manifest Destiny once again. Interventionism relied upon the idea that other nations could be seperate, but equal.

This is false.

[Jebslund]

No. /thread


Seriously, though, the answer is no. We really don't have any business interfering as much as we do in the affairs of other countries until we get our own house in order. Even then, half of our attempts to "make the world a better place" fail and/or create more problems than they solve. We interfered in Iraqi affairs because we wanted a sympathetic leader. Saddam Hussein wasted no time turning on us and abusing his own people once he had the power he craved. We armed and trained Osama Bin Laden. That was a good choice with no negative consequences. We half-assed Desert Storm, had to go back to clean up the mess, half-assed it AGAIN, and ISIS came running and took advantage of the mess we left behind. Vietnam is now communism free! ... Wait, no, the other thing. Completely communistic. And North Korea hasn't changed its tune with honey or vinegar. And that's just the flashy, famous wars.

We need to stop acting as if we are the arbiters of all that is good and correct in the world and start getting our own affairs in order before we even think about trying to "keep the world order". A country rife with corruption, where there are billionaires and people who work for them on welfare, where the populace is a powder keg waiting for a spark, and where the prevailing attitude is, "Fuck you! I got mine!", has no business playing at being the world's police.

[Hammer Britannia]

No, they deserve more

A m e r i c a n L e b e n s r a u m

[Evil Dictators Happyland]

Someone needs to do it, and there's no one else with the power to do it that can be trusted with the job. The United States is by no means perfect - far from it, actually - but if American hegemony was dismantled, it wouldn't take long for it to be replaced with Russian (or, more likely, Chinese) hegemony. Leaving the world in the hands of authoritarians like Daddy Vladdy Vladimir Putin and Xi Jinping amounts to saying that democracy is no longer worth protecting. I don't think that's the message we want to send to the world.

[The Brytish Isles]

It's not a matter of deserving it. It's that we're the only ones who can.

I agree most with the above statement.

I do disagree with and quite dislike the idea of one country taking on the role of "world police", especially a country such as the United States of America, the culture and politics of which I find distasteful. Were it my decision, the UN would have this role: enforcing international law, dealing with certain national governments, etc.

However, the world isn’t as I want it and the USA happily frolics around stuck up its own arse, flaunting its "freedom" and shoving it where it isn’t wanted. A state of affairs I don’t like, but that’s unfortunately reality.

[An Alan Smithee Nation]

America aren't being world police, they are entirely self serving.

[Belinka]

America aren't being world police, they are entirely self serving.

Desert Storm, Korean War, Vietnam, and War In The Middle East are all examples of the US trying to police the world.

[Shanhwa]

We need to intervene much less and focus more on home.

And no, that doesn’t mean slashing the military budget.

[An Alan Smithee Nation]

America aren't being world police, they are entirely self serving.

Desert Storm, Korean War, Vietnam, and War In The Middle East are all examples of the US trying to police the world.

Those were all self serving.

[Shanhwa]

America aren't being world police, they are entirely self serving.

Desert Storm, Korean War, Vietnam, and War In The Middle East are all examples of the US trying to police the world.

Desert Storm was mostly because Kuwait had oil we traded for a lot, and they were a big trading partner. The “World Police” was a secondary thing.

Korean War was a proxy war against China + Soviets

Vietnam War was a proxy war against China + Soviets

War in the Middle East was because they decided to attack us 10 years after Kuwait wanted our help more than that of some ragtag Afghans in caves with AKs

[Shanhwa]

No, of course not. No country should police the world. The only thing the American state deserves is revolution.

lol

[Munkcestrian Republic]

No, of course not. No country should police the world. The only thing the American state deserves is revolution.

This is true.

I feel like if we're going to be world police, we need to start collecting taxes from the world. After all, state services are supported by the populace, and people will not voluntarily fund public goods.

Fucking try it

Ha. Like the UN has any moral authority.

The USA should drop out interventionist policies and take up Manifest Destiny once again. Interventionism relied upon the idea that other nations could be seperate, but equal.

This is false.

Yeah this is why America shouldn't be the policeman of the world

No, they deserve more

A m e r i c a n L e b e n s r a u m

Funny joke

We need to intervene much less and focus more on home.

And no, that doesn’t mean slashing the military budget.

It should.

No, of course not. No country should police the world. The only thing the American state deserves is revolution.

lol

lol

[Cetacea]

Considering that it’s the CIA that help create the situations that the US has subsequently intervened .....

Hell No! The US Doesn’t deserve it. The US needs to police itself and should Only go into a conflict if its help is requested by an ally or UN.

[Munkcestrian Republic]

Ask the Americans where they were in Rwanda

Oh, right, not just not intervening but actively opposing intervention in the UN and remaining allies with people who were intervening... on the side of the genocidaires.

[Revolucionario Cuba]

Yes to OP

[Munkcestrian Republic]

Yes to OP

No to OP

[The Emerald Legion]

Yeah this is why America shouldn't be the policeman of the world.

Indeed. We should be the whole world.

[Evil Dictators Happyland]

Yeah this is why America shouldn't be the policeman of the world.

Indeed. We should be the whole world.

Why stop there? Why shouldn't we bring democracy to the whole galaxy?