What is your opinion on LGBT+ marriage?

[San Lumen]

NSG is OOC.

Why should same sex couples not have the same rights as you do?

who said getting married was a right? I have a constitution with me right now, and there is no mention of the right to get married. also, they can form a union, but I won't call it a marriage and I won't go against what I believe to be sinful action just to make someone happy meaning I won't facilitate their union (I.E.- Cater their union's ceremony)

The 14th amendment states "no state shall deny any person the equal protection of the law or due process of the law"

[The Grims]

Why do you or your religion get to dictate what other religions or secular law systems call marriage ?

Did I not just state that I don't want the government to be involved with marriage at all

And other religions ?

[Christenmark]

who said getting married was a right? I have a constitution with me right now, and there is no mention of the right to get married. also, they can form a union, but I won't call it a marriage and I won't go against what I believe to be sinful action just to make someone happy meaning I won't facilitate their union (I.E.- Cater their union's ceremony)

The 14th amendment states "no state shall deny any person the equal protection of the law or due process of the law"

that does not say anything about marraige!

[Christenmark]

Did I not just state that I don't want the government to be involved with marriage at all

And other religions ?

never even implied wanting to force other religions, it is the secular people who want religious people to accommodate what we fundamentally disagree with, if another religion allows it, whoop di doo, IDC, they can do what they want, I am speaking of the ones that don't

[Vassenor]

The 14th amendment states "no state shall deny any person the equal protection of the law or due process of the law"

that does not say anything about marraige!

If some people can get married and some people can't, that is a denial of equal protection under the law.

[San Lumen]

The 14th amendment states "no state shall deny any person the equal protection of the law or due process of the law"

that does not say anything about marraige!

if a heterosexual couple can get married and a same sex couple has to call it a civil union or can;'t get married at all that is violating the 14th amendment and what the Ogberfell decision was based on

[Kannap]

Because marriage totally didn't exist before the religions that forbid them did. Also, nice job contradicting yourself here. How does the government have nothing to do with marriage if it defines it (poorly, I might add) and only allows churches to officiate it? And 0.01%? I don't know what world you live in where only 0.01% of the population is gay. Yes, (I know this is IC, but I think it's fairly likely that your actual views are being expressed here.)

in eccense they are, and yes IC the nation has a tiny LGBT population, but know this, The reason I mentioned churches is because 100% secular marriages are very rare (they are religious by nature), (sans las vegas) I know IRL it is larger, but even then IRL they re still a minuscule sliver of the whole, so small that the point still stands. the last quote, from the New Testament, is a separation of church and state, I just did not realize that by endorsing spirituality it would make a department for it. IRL I don't want the government anywhere in the business of marriage, I think it should be up entirely to the two getting married, but I also don't like the people who are trying to force the rest of us to change the word's meaning for the sake of an indescribably small number of people

Once again, the word "marriage" has been a constantly changing thing.

Why? Because we will not go redefining words that have had the same meaning for all of human civilization.

Marriage, for most of history, has always been a changing idea. At least, in my society - a little place called the United States - we mostly don't arrange marriages anymore and women are treated a little more than just vagina property for childbearing nowadays. Change is good, try it some time.[/quote]

[Christenmark]

that does not say anything about marraige!

If some people can get married and some people can't, that is a denial of equal protection under the law.

a law which does not afford marriage as a right to straight nor gay people. thus the 14th amendment has no pertinence to this issue, It was passed during a time of strife, strife over race not what you wish to F*ck.

[Christenmark]

that does not say anything about marraige!

if a heterosexual couple can get married and a same sex couple has to call it a civil union or can't get married at all that is violating the 14th amendment and what the Ogberfell decision was based on

never said they could not form a union I just won't call it a marriage anything you say will NOT make me act otherwise

[San Lumen]

If some people can get married and some people can't, that is a denial of equal protection under the law.

a law which does not afford marriage as a right to straight nor gay people. thus the 14th amendment has no pertinence to this issue, It was passed during a time of strife, strife over race not what you wish to F*ck.

The amendment is quite clear that all are equal under the law. If John and Sarah can get married but Jake and Ryan cannot that is violating the 14th amendment. What dont you understand about this?

[Telconi]

a law which does not afford marriage as a right to straight nor gay people. thus the 14th amendment has no pertinence to this issue, It was passed during a time of strife, strife over race not what you wish to F*ck.

The amendment is quite clear that all are equal under the law. If John and Sarah can get married but Jake and Ryan cannot that is violating the 14th amendment. What dont you understand about this?

Well it's incorrect, there are plenty of situations in which Jake and Ryan couldn't get married.

[San Lumen]

The amendment is quite clear that all are equal under the law. If John and Sarah can get married but Jake and Ryan cannot that is violating the 14th amendment. What dont you understand about this?

Well it's incorrect, there are plenty of situations in which Jake and Ryan couldn't get married.

You know what i meant

[Christenmark]

a law which does not afford marriage as a right to straight nor gay people. thus the 14th amendment has no pertinence to this issue, It was passed during a time of strife, strife over race not what you wish to F*ck.

The amendment is quite clear that all are equal under the law. If John and Sarah can get married but Jake and Ryan cannot that is violating the 14th amendment. What don't you understand about this?

You and I both know what the 14th amendment was pertinent to, also I wish not to have the government involved AT ALL. What I don't understand is how you can conflate equal protection under the law, with, even if you do not believe that something should be done (it is a sin) YOU GOTTA DO IT OR BIG BROTHER IS A COMING AFTER YOU! NOW THAT would be violating the 14th amendment. The words of the constitution mean now what they meant then, not what we think it means, nor what we want it to mean. You aren't going to convince me at this rate.

[The Greater Ohio Valley]

The 14th amendment states "no state shall deny any person the equal protection of the law or due process of the law"

that does not say anything about marraige!

The constitution doesn't really need to specifically list something as a right for it to be a right.

[Christenmark]

a law which does not afford marriage as a right to straight nor gay people. thus the 14th amendment has no pertinence to this issue, It was passed during a time of strife, strife over race not what you wish to F*ck.

The amendment is quite clear that all are equal under the law. If John and Sarah can get married but Jake and Ryan cannot that is violating the 14th amendment. What dont you understand about this?

If same sex marriage upsets you so much dont marry someone of the same sex. Do you have an issue with same sex couples adopting too?

you are changing the subject, adoption is not the point of this thread, marriage is, stay on topic.

[Munkcestrian Republic]

The amendment is quite clear that all are equal under the law. If John and Sarah can get married but Jake and Ryan cannot that is violating the 14th amendment. What don't you understand about this?

You and I both know what the 14th amendment was pertinent to, also I wish not to have the government involved AT ALL. What I don't understand is how you can conflate equal protection under the law, with, even if you do not believe that something should be done (it is a sin) YOU GOTTA DO IT OR BIG BROTHER IS A COMING AFTER YOU! NOW THAT would be violating the 14th amendment. The words of the constitution mean now what they meant then, not what we think it means, nor what we want it to mean. You aren't going to convince me at this rate.

Pretty sure the words of the constitution mean whatever the fuck the Supreme Court wants them to mean, actually

[San Lumen]

The amendment is quite clear that all are equal under the law. If John and Sarah can get married but Jake and Ryan cannot that is violating the 14th amendment. What don't you understand about this?

You and I both know what the 14th amendment was pertinent to, also I wish not to have the government involved AT ALL. What I don't understand is how you can conflate equal protection under the law, with, even if you do not believe that something should be done (it is a sin) YOU GOTTA DO IT OR BIG BROTHER IS A COMING AFTER YOU! NOW THAT would be violating the 14th amendment. The words of the constitution mean now what they meant then, not what we think it means, nor what we want it to mean. You aren't going to convince me at this rate.

If same sex marriage upsets you so much dont marry someone of the same sex. Do you have an issue with same sex couples adopting too? I know someone who was raised by a gay couple. They are the only family he has ever known

It is relevant as its part of LGBT rights

[The New California Republic]

never said they could not form a union I just won't call it a marriage anything you say will NOT make me act otherwise

Good job that you don't make the laws then, which basically means that what you call it is entirely irrelevant.

[Kannap]

NSG is OOC.

Why should same sex couples not have the same rights as you do?

who said getting married was a right?

Courts, lots of them, for many many decades. It's a strong precedent that marriage is a civil right, per the 14th amendment of the Constitution.

I have a constitution with me right now, and there is no mention of the right to get married.

It's a strong precedent that marriage is a civil right, per the 14th amendment of the Constitution.

[....] The freedom to marry has long been recognized as one of the vital personal rights essential to the orderly pursuit of happiness by free men.
Marriage is one of the "basic civil rights of man," fundamental to our very existence and survival. To deny this fundamental freedom on so unsupportable a basis as the racial classifications embodied in these statutes, classifications so directly subversive of the principle of equality at the heart of the Fourteenth Amendment, is surely to deprive all the State's citizens of liberty without due process of law. - Chief Justice Earl Warren, Loving v. Virginia, 1967

also, they can form a union, but I won't call it a marriage and I won't go against what I believe to be sinful action just to make someone happy meaning I won't facilitate their union (I.E.- Cater their union's ceremony)

1. You don't have to call it marriage, doesn't hurt our feelings if you wanna keep your head in the dirt.
2. Nobody is gonna force you to participate, have sex with, or whatever else you fear with same-sex persons.

[Kannap]

The 14th amendment states "no state shall deny any person the equal protection of the law or due process of the law"

that does not say anything about marraige!

Tsk tsk, context darling.

[Christenmark]

You and I both know what the 14th amendment was pertinent to, also I wish not to have the government involved AT ALL. What I don't understand is how you can conflate equal protection under the law, with, even if you do not believe that something should be done (it is a sin) YOU GOTTA DO IT OR BIG BROTHER IS A COMING AFTER YOU! NOW THAT would be violating the 14th amendment. The words of the constitution mean now what they meant then, not what we think it means, nor what we want it to mean. You aren't going to convince me at this rate.

Pretty sure the words of the constitution mean whatever the fuck the Supreme Court wants them to mean, actually

taht is because previosu administrations have used the supreme court to subvert our checks and balances to pass whatever they want without regards to the constitution. their job is to make sure that decisions adhere to the document! not the document to the decision

[Kannap]

If some people can get married and some people can't, that is a denial of equal protection under the law.

a law which does not afford marriage as a right to straight nor gay people. thus the 14th amendment has no pertinence to this issue, It was passed during a time of strife, strife over race not what you wish to F*ck.

The 14th Amendment does have pertinence over this issue, so sayeth the body of people who decide what the 14th Amendment does or does not have pertinence over.

[Telconi]

Well it's incorrect, there are plenty of situations in which Jake and Ryan couldn't get married.

You know what i meant

So, curiously, why are all those other conditions acceptable?

[Kannap]

The amendment is quite clear that all are equal under the law. If John and Sarah can get married but Jake and Ryan cannot that is violating the 14th amendment. What don't you understand about this?

You and I both know what the 14th amendment was pertinent to, also I wish not to have the government involved AT ALL. What I don't understand is how you can conflate equal protection under the law, with, even if you do not believe that something should be done (it is a sin) YOU GOTTA DO IT OR BIG BROTHER IS A COMING AFTER YOU! NOW THAT would be violating the 14th amendment. The words of the constitution mean now what they meant then, not what we think it means, nor what we want it to mean. You aren't going to convince me at this rate.

Is Uncle Sam pointing a gun at your head right this moment and telling you to officiate same sex marriages or have sex with somebody of the same sex as you?

[Christenmark]

who said getting married was a right?

Courts, lots of them, for many many decades. It's a strong precedent that marriage is a civil right, per the 14th amendment of the Constitution.

I have a constitution with me right now, and there is no mention of the right to get married.

It's a strong precedent that marriage is a civil right, per the 14th amendment of the Constitution.

[....] The freedom to marry has long been recognized as one of the vital personal rights essential to the orderly pursuit of happiness by free men.
Marriage is one of the "basic civil rights of man," fundamental to our very existence and survival. To deny this fundamental freedom on so unsupportable a basis as the racial classifications embodied in these statutes, classifications so directly subversive of the principle of equality at the heart of the Fourteenth Amendment, is surely to deprive all the State's citizens of liberty without due process of law. - Chief Justice Earl Warren, Loving v. Virginia, 1967

also, they can form a union, but I won't call it a marriage and I won't go against what I believe to be sinful action just to make someone happy meaning I won't facilitate their union (I.E.- Cater their union's ceremony)

1. You don't have to call it marriage, doesn't hurt our feelings if you wanna keep your head in the dirt.
2. Nobody is gonna force you to participate, have sex with, or whatever else you fear with same-sex persons.

excuse me does: BAKE THE CAKE ring any bells?