What is your opinion on LGBT+ marriage?

[Cekoviu]

Logically, if God were to have created humans and our sexual function for the sole purpose of reproduction, why would it feel so good? Shouldn't having a child be motivation on its own?

The problem with this argument is that you are not taking into account the fallen and sinful nature of humanity.

Wow, that's a downer. Very pessimistic of you.

[Bezkoshtovnya]

Arguably not.

Arguably yes. Heterosexual marriage is the only kind of marriage endorsed by the Bible. Besides, the, uh... let's say "actions" associated with LGBT marriage are sinful, as per Leviticus.

Hardly.



God made me queer, and has no problem with who I am or who I love. You cannot change my mind.

God didn't make thieves into thieves, either. That's Satan's work. Unless you believe in predestination to Hell, of course. And God does have a problem with who you are, God has a problem with who we all are, because we all sin. He loves all of us, but hates what we do and how we act.
(I probably completely butchered Calvinist theology there, what with the reference to predestination, sorry in advance)

And if the church in question allows it?

Then that church is false.

Side Note:
Here's your regular PSA reminding you to love the sinner and hate the sin.

Ah yes, the Leviticus argument. I assume you also don't wear mixed fabrics then? Abstain from shellfish? Do not shave your sideburns?

More importantly, how does the bible have any relevance to law? Are you familiar with the US constitution?

[Jack Thomas Lang]

"BUUT LEVITICUS!!!" is such a tired and stupid argument. You know what else is banned by Leviticus? Bacon. Cheeseburgers. Bacon cheeseburgers. 95% of seafood. Football. Crop rotation.

I'm a little surprised a Christian hasn't heard of the Council of Jerusalem or Christ declaring all food as clean.

What Church are you part of again?

[Athonuna]

Arguably yes. Heterosexual marriage is the only kind of marriage endorsed by the Bible.

Its the only kind mentioned, but it was not explicitly endorsed, unless you'd like to try arguing that rape is also endorsed.

Besides, the, uh... let's say "actions" associated with LGBT marriage are sinful, as per Leviticus.

"BUUT LEVITICUS!!!" is such a tired and stupid argument. You know what else is banned by Leviticus? Bacon. Cheeseburgers. Bacon cheeseburgers. 95% of seafood. Football. Crop rotation.

Hardly.



God made me queer, and has no problem with who I am or who I love. You cannot change my mind.

God didn't make thieves into thieves, either.

Being LGBT (and since you're using weasel logic, acting on being LGBT) is not at all comparable to theft. Take an L.

That's Satan's work.

If that were truly the case, then how come I didn't even realize who I was until after I'd already been saved?

Unless you believe in predestination to Hell, of course.

No, but it certainly seems like most of the anti-LGBT religious crowd does. Predestination to hell is the act of a sadistic dickbag deity that doesn't deserve to be worshipped, only opposed.

And God does have a problem with who you are, God has a problem with who we all are, because we all sin. He loves all of us, but hates what we do and how we act.
(I probably completely butchered Calvinist theology there, what with the reference to predestination, sorry in advance)

Also a terrible argument. I don't know about you, but God isn't the only thing keeping me from raping, pillaging, and murdering everyone and everything in sight.

All in all, I can tolerate LGBT marriage in the secular world, however, within the Church it is absolutely unacceptable, and anyone who engages in or officiates it should be excommunicated until they repent.

And if the church in question allows it?

Then that church is false.[/quote]

We could say the same about your church.

Side Note:
Here's your regular PSA reminding you to love the sinner and hate the sin.

PSA: Its not a sin to be LGBT+, or even to 'act' on it.[/quote]
Wow, there was so much right there. I'm just going to start by saying that any church that follows the Bible is a correct church. The Bible says multiple times, not just in Leviticus, that marriage is between a man and a woman and same-sex relations are a sin. It is a sin, and it is clearly defined in the Bible. You need to check where you're at with God if you think that this is okay. The Bible is very clear on this.

[Senkaku]

If God didn't want us to do anal he wouldn't have given us prostates >_>

God must be a misogynist, given the large gender disparity between men and women in that regard. OTOH, we do get boobs, so I guess it evens out.

Exactly! Also y'all can literally fabricate miniature people in your stomachs which is like the most fucking metal thing ever if u think abt it

[Cekoviu]

"BUUT LEVITICUS!!!" is such a tired and stupid argument. You know what else is banned by Leviticus? Bacon. Cheeseburgers. Bacon cheeseburgers. 95% of seafood. Football. Crop rotation.

I'm a little surprised a Christian hasn't heard of the Council of Jerusalem or Christ declaring all food as clean.

What Church are you part of again?

The point is that none of the content in Leviticus is applicable, not that all of it is.

[Cekoviu]

God must be a misogynist, given the large gender disparity between men and women in that regard. OTOH, we do get boobs, so I guess it evens out.

Exactly! Also y'all can literally fabricate miniature people in your stomachs which is like the most fucking metal thing ever if u think abt it

Most of us can. I personally can't (though I'm extremely grateful for that because babies are the actual worst).

[The Rich Port]

I'm a little surprised a Christian hasn't heard of the Council of Jerusalem or Christ declaring all food as clean.

What Church are you part of again?

The point is that none of the content in Leviticus is applicable, not that all of it is.

Frankly, theology in general is not applicable in the secular world... Which, yeah, makes Catholics complaining about people leaving the Catholic Church absolutely hilarious.

"Why is everyone leaving. It can't be because they don't like the dumb archaic rules... Can it?"
"... Naaaaaaaaaaah. Now bring me my candy-red shoes plz"

[Minachia]

Then that church is false.

Side Note:
Here's your regular PSA reminding you to love the sinner and hate the sin.

Question: if the United States were to ban practicing Christianity but not believing in it, because they think that Christians are sinners on par with murderers, would that perhaps be bigoted?

Well, yes, but God promised that we would be persecuted, so...

Furthermore, if you're going to attack the fact that I support banning LGBT marriage within the Church, at least recognize that I tolerate it in the secular world. The Church and a country are inherently different, and it doesn't work to try and compare the two like that.

[Cekoviu]

Question: if the United States were to ban practicing Christianity but not believing in it, because they think that Christians are sinners on par with murderers, would that perhaps be bigoted?

Well, yes, but God promised that we would be persecuted, so...

Furthermore, if you're going to attack the fact that I support banning LGBT marriage within the Church, at least recognize that I tolerate it in the secular world. The Church and a country are inherently different, and it doesn't work to try and compare the two like that.

Yeah, the point was not anything to do with secularism. I'd reread that and contemplate the part that I quoted a bit more if I were you.

[The Rich Port]

Question: if the United States were to ban practicing Christianity but not believing in it, because they think that Christians are sinners on par with murderers, would that perhaps be bigoted?

Well, yes, but God promised that we would be persecuted, so...

Furthermore, if you're going to attack the fact that I support banning LGBT marriage within the Church, at least recognize that I tolerate it in the secular world. The Church and a country are inherently different, and it doesn't work to try and compare the two like that.

I gotta say that's a really shitty Christmas gift.

Also, we need to compare it, because if we don't, the Church is going to stop existing because nobody is going to be part of it.

[Minachia]

Arguably yes. Heterosexual marriage is the only kind of marriage endorsed by the Bible. Besides, the, uh... let's say "actions" associated with LGBT marriage are sinful, as per Leviticus.

God didn't make thieves into thieves, either. That's Satan's work. Unless you believe in predestination to Hell, of course. And God does have a problem with who you are, God has a problem with who we all are, because we all sin. He loves all of us, but hates what we do and how we act.
(I probably completely butchered Calvinist theology there, what with the reference to predestination, sorry in advance)


Then that church is false.

Side Note:
Here's your regular PSA reminding you to love the sinner and hate the sin.

Ah yes, the Leviticus argument. I assume you also don't wear mixed fabrics then? Abstain from shellfish? Do not shave your sideburns?

If only people would look at CDT once and a while and realize that the Moral Law and the Ceremonial Law are two different things.

More importantly, how does the bible have any relevance to law? Are you familiar with the US constitution?

Yes, I am familiar with the Constitution. Furthermore, I literally just said that I tolerate LGBT marriage in the secular world. Please read the whole post.

[Minachia]

Well, yes, but God promised that we would be persecuted, so...

Furthermore, if you're going to attack the fact that I support banning LGBT marriage within the Church, at least recognize that I tolerate it in the secular world. The Church and a country are inherently different, and it doesn't work to try and compare the two like that.

Yeah, the point was not anything to do with secularism. I'd reread that and contemplate the part that I quoted a bit more if I were you.

I'll assume that you were referring to the "Love the sinner and hate the sin" part, since the other doesn't really make sense, I which case I will remind you that, on top of the usual "Thou shalt not covet" from the Commandments, Jesus specifically says that for a man to even look at a woman with lustful thoughts is sinful, which logically has to also be applied to men looking at other men with such thoughts. In which case, I myself would be guilty, as would most other people, even if such thoughts aren't permanent. Of course, the Church can't ever police thoughts, but policing the actions that come from those thoughts she certainly can, just as she polices Christians who let their covetness turn into theft and murder. However, the Church will always let them back into herself if they would only repent and confess that what they did was wrong.

On another side note, we don't ban LGBT marriage because we think it's on par with murder, with ban it because we think it's a perversion of God's Creation. It's not bigoted to want to uphold what we believe to be the natural way of things within our own religion.

[Kowani]

On another side note, we don't ban LGBT marriage because we think it's on par with murder, with ban it because we think it's a perversion of God's Creation. It's not bigoted to want to uphold what we believe to be the natural way of things within our own religion.

How can something natural be a perversion of God’s Creation?

[Cekoviu]

On another side note, we don't ban LGBT marriage because we think it's on par with murder, with ban it because we think it's a perversion of God's Creation. It's not bigoted to want to uphold what we believe to be the natural way of things within our own religion.

How can something natural be a perversion of God’s Creation?

Original sin, etc. Silly.

[Bienenhalde]

The problem with this argument is that you are not taking into account the fallen and sinful nature of humanity.

Wow, that's a downer. Very pessimistic of you.

Yes, it may seem pessimistic, but that is what Christians believe.

[Minachia]

On another side note, we don't ban LGBT marriage because we think it's on par with murder, with ban it because we think it's a perversion of God's Creation. It's not bigoted to want to uphold what we believe to be the natural way of things within our own religion.

How can something natural be a perversion of God’s Creation?

Simple: It isn't natural, it is a byproduct of the Fall and Satan's meddling.

And yet again, I will iterate this for future reference, because I'm getting tired of saying it and want to make sure you see it: I tolerate LGBT marriage in the secular world.

[Heloin]

How can something natural be a perversion of God’s Creation?

Simple: It isn't natural, it is a byproduct of the Fall and Satan's meddling.

And yet again, I will iterate this for future reference, because I'm getting tired of saying it and want to make sure you see it: I tolerate LGBT marriage in the secular world.

And for anyone who wants to be a Christian but without the closeted homophobia, they can check out the Episcopal church. We have donuts after service!

[The Rich Port]

How can something natural be a perversion of God’s Creation?

Simple: It isn't natural, it is a byproduct of the Fall and Satan's meddling.

And yet again, I will iterate this for future reference, because I'm getting tired of saying it and want to make sure you see it: I tolerate LGBT marriage in the secular world.

But God created Satan.

Is he not all-powerful then?

[Minachia]

Simple: It isn't natural, it is a byproduct of the Fall and Satan's meddling.

And yet again, I will iterate this for future reference, because I'm getting tired of saying it and want to make sure you see it: I tolerate LGBT marriage in the secular world.

And for anyone who wants to be a Christian but without the closeted homophobia, they can check out the Episcopal church. We have donuts after service!

Are you suggesting that I'm not being sincere when I say that I tolerate it? Or am I just being paranoid?

[The Rich Port]

And for anyone who wants to be a Christian but without the closeted homophobia, they can check out the Episcopal church. We have donuts after service!

Are you suggesting that I'm not being sincere when I say that I tolerate it? Or am I just being paranoid?

It's a contradiction to say that you tolerate it while also saying it's intolerable.

If it's tolerable, it's nowhere near as bad as you claim it is, or you just want to keep believing a lie ignorant of the reality.

Most religious people make the argument that homosexuality is a health condition, similar to being a drug addict, and that it's ultimately a destructive lifestyle... Ignorant that plenty of homosexuals live happy, productive lives. So, maybe not a good comparison, but at least it's an argument and they DON'T tolerate it so it's CONSISTENT.

[Kowani]

How can something natural be a perversion of God’s Creation?

Simple: It isn't natural, it is a byproduct of the Fall and Satan's meddling.

So, the all powerful, all knowing God couldn’t stop the Devil (which he created by the way!) from meddling in his perfect plan.

And yet again, I will iterate this for future reference, because I'm getting tired of saying it and want to make sure you see it: I tolerate LGBT marriage in the secular world.

Never claimed otherwise.

[Heloin]

And for anyone who wants to be a Christian but without the closeted homophobia, they can check out the Episcopal church. We have donuts after service!

Are you suggesting that I'm not being sincere when I say that I tolerate it? Or am I just being paranoid?

Yes, calling people being LGBT a byproduct of Satan kinda proves that.

[Christian Confederation]

Since I don't want to get dragged into another Fourm idiology war I'll now give my witty Blunt end statement.

I think it's unnatural for men to be with men and vis versa, and I personally think it's morally wrong but as long as me and my religious/ Other 1st amindment and God given rights are left alone y'all can do as you like.

But I'll stop believing what I said above when I have the power to make anything I want appear out of thin air.
but since I'm not Richer than Tony Stark, Controlling the Anglo American world, with Wonder Woman. Black widow. MJ. And Daisy Duke doing whatever I want/ Camand my opinion stays the same.

Y'all have fun with the Likely idiology war thats coming, I'm going to Nixon out of here, Peace

[Heloin]

Since I don't want to get dragged into another Fourm idiology war I'll now give my witty Blunt end statement.

I think it's unnatural for men to be with men and vis versa, and I personally think it's morally wrong but as long as me and my religious/ Other 1st amindment and God given rights are left alone y'all can do as you like.

But I'll stop believing what I said above when I have the power to make anything I want appear out of thin air.
but since I'm not Richer than Tony Stark, Controlling the Anglo American world, with Wonder Woman. Black widow. MJ. And Daisy Duke doing whatever I want/ Camand my opinion stays the same.

Y'all have fun with the Likely idiology war thats coming, I'm going to Nixon out of here, Peace

33 pages in is a bit late to get a post in before the screaming happens. That's like visiting Berlin in May 1945 to see the sights before the Soviets arrive.