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Lgbt marriage: good or bad?

Yes, love is love.
408
58%
No, it's a sin.
86
12%
No, love is for reproducing.
50
7%
No, civil unions are better.
23
3%
Maybe
13
2%
Praise David Hasselhoff (Requested by Some random cat dude)
88
13%
No opinion/neutral
30
4%
 
Total votes : 698

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Heloin
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Postby Heloin » Tue May 21, 2019 11:37 am

Andsed wrote:
Califghanistan wrote:
Neither blowjobs nor anal sex, no matter the genders, are ok.

How? Blowjobs and anal when done with another consenting adult harms no one. So how are they wrong?

Because icky butt stuff is icky.

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Farnhamia
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Postby Farnhamia » Tue May 21, 2019 11:37 am

Califghanistan wrote:
The Rich Port wrote:
You gonna show us the "Eat Da Poopoo" meme next.

It's on the same wavelength, more or less.


It must be the only thing you're able to comprehend. Dr. Zakir Naik is a literal genius with a Ph.D. and was invited to many institutions worldwide to speak about his religion. He is the world's number one religious speaker.

Who also recommends the death penalty for homosexuals. I would suggest you not quote Dr. Naik's opinions on that, lest you be warned again for trolling. There are civil ways to make your point but we do not accept advocating the killing of people.
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Postby Farnhamia » Tue May 21, 2019 11:37 am

Heloin wrote:
Andsed wrote:How? Blowjobs and anal when done with another consenting adult harms no one. So how are they wrong?

Because icky butt stuff is icky.

Yeah ... not helping.
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Postby Highever » Tue May 21, 2019 11:38 am

Califghanistan wrote:
The Alma Mater wrote:
Do you mind if a man gets a blowjob from a woman or has anal sex with her ?


Neither blowjobs nor anal sex, no matter the genders, are ok.

They're actually perfectly okay. Your personal feeling of it being icky doesnt chamge that for other people.
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Postby The Rich Port » Tue May 21, 2019 11:38 am

Califghanistan wrote:
The Rich Port wrote:
You gonna show us the "Eat Da Poopoo" meme next.

It's on the same wavelength, more or less.


It must be the only thing you're able to comprehend. Dr. Zakir Naik is a literal genius with a Ph.D. and was invited to many institutions worldwide to speak about his religion. He is the world's number one religious speaker.


A literal genius that got caught laundering money.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-india-48132710

Also, he was formerly a physician and now holds... What kind of Ph.D?

Is it at all a psychological degree? No?

Then he has no authority speaking about orientation and sociology.
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Postby Heloin » Tue May 21, 2019 11:41 am

Califghanistan wrote:
Highever wrote:Yes you have no hate towards them, that's why you think they're as bad a pedophiles, rapists, and necrophiles :roll:


Hate the sin, love the sinner.

If you are comparing people living out there daily lives to the worst of society, then you kind of hate them and acting holier then thou about it does you no favours.

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Postby Zess » Tue May 21, 2019 11:44 am

Tankmen wrote:I am indifferent about gay marriage. I really don't see the significance of it nor do I understand the willingness of homosexuals to want their part in it aside from a vague sense of being considered second-class citizens due to being excluded from a cultural practice and recognition of their orientation by the state, neither of which will better the lives of homosexuals in any material way. Gay marriage doesn't bring food to the table or pay your bills.

Whether or not gay marriage is legal or illegal, homosexuals would technically still be able to enter relationships, adopt children, arrange their preferred ceremonies whenever and wherever they could and have the same human rights which everyone else has, gay or not. The legality of everything else pertaining to homosexuality just tends to follow the legality of gay marriage which is mostly why it is supported in the first place. Alone and in a vacuum, the policy is just a liberal artifact, aesthetic and a troll towards the right-wing.

So support it if you like or don't. It doesn't prevent me from eating ass either way. :p

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Postby Califghanistan » Tue May 21, 2019 11:50 am

Andsed wrote:
Califghanistan wrote:
Neither blowjobs nor anal sex, no matter the genders, are ok.

How? Blowjobs and anal when done with another consenting adult harms no one. So how are they wrong?


Califghanistan wrote:
I could say the same to you.

Your the one claiming unsupported lies like homosexuality is like fucking a dead body as true.


Homosexuality is a terrible, terrible thing. Much sadness as Taiwan legalizes it. Thing is, attraction to the same sex and attraction to dead bodies is the exact same thing; both are straying from the right path, and both are animalistic(and we know that because animals do them both) actions that should not be allowed to happen. Have you read my long explanation for why I disagree with homosexuality? Because in it I quote extraordinary examples and evidence against homosexuality.

And the reason anal/oral isn't ok? God has given us sexual organs; the penis goes into the vagina. Anything else is a deviant and not ok. Not to mention various health risks associated with the 2. Fact is, God had said that bad things would happen to those who are sexually immoral. And look what happened? AIDS, which first developed amongst homosexual men committing anal sex.

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Postby Califghanistan » Tue May 21, 2019 11:51 am

Highever wrote:
Califghanistan wrote:
Hate the sin, love the sinner.

Bunch of self righteous bullshit.


So you disagree with that?

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Postby Califghanistan » Tue May 21, 2019 11:52 am

Farnhamia wrote:
Califghanistan wrote:
It must be the only thing you're able to comprehend. Dr. Zakir Naik is a literal genius with a Ph.D. and was invited to many institutions worldwide to speak about his religion. He is the world's number one religious speaker.

Who also recommends the death penalty for homosexuals. I would suggest you not quote Dr. Naik's opinions on that, lest you be warned again for trolling. There are civil ways to make your point but we do not accept advocating the killing of people.


No. Dr. Zakir Naik is a genius and he is correct when he claims that homosexuality is a crime that calls for execution. The West isn't the most developed area in terms of homosexuality; Saudi Arabia is.

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Postby The Rich Port » Tue May 21, 2019 11:52 am

Califghanistan wrote:
Highever wrote:Bunch of self righteous bullshit.


So you disagree with that?


Considering that the man you are using as an authority on the matter also advocated for the execution of gay people (and you didn't make that fact immediately clear), I would say he doubts the sincerity of that saying.

Which, yeah. Unless you're also going to argue that murder is somehow loving.
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Postby Califghanistan » Tue May 21, 2019 11:53 am

The Rich Port wrote:
Califghanistan wrote:
It must be the only thing you're able to comprehend. Dr. Zakir Naik is a literal genius with a Ph.D. and was invited to many institutions worldwide to speak about his religion. He is the world's number one religious speaker.


A literal genius that got caught laundering money.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-india-48132710

Also, he was formerly a physician and now holds... What kind of Ph.D?

Is it at all a psychological degree? No?

Then he has no authority speaking about orientation and sociology.


Dr. Zakir Naik has never laundered money. Those are false claims shot against him by the Indian government, the corrupt government that banned this righteous man from his home.

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Postby Highever » Tue May 21, 2019 11:54 am

Califghanistan wrote:
Highever wrote:Bunch of self righteous bullshit.


So you disagree with that?

No I disagree with you calling homosexuals the same as rapists and necrophiles and then trying to mask your clear disdain and hate for them as shown by this sentiment behind religious righteousness.
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Postby Califghanistan » Tue May 21, 2019 11:55 am

Heloin wrote:
Califghanistan wrote:
Hate the sin, love the sinner.

If you are comparing people living out there daily lives to the worst of society, then you kind of hate them and acting holier then thou about it does you no favours.


Homosexuality is a sin. There is no doubt about that. Do I hate homosexuals? Believe me when I say some of my friends are self-declared homosexuals. Am I holy? Only God can know. But I do not let that stop me from worshipping Him.

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Postby Califghanistan » Tue May 21, 2019 11:56 am

The Rich Port wrote:
Califghanistan wrote:
So you disagree with that?


Considering that the man you are using as an authority on the matter also advocated for the execution of gay people (and you didn't make that fact immediately clear), I would say he doubts the sincerity of that saying.

Which, yeah. Unless you're also going to argue that murder is somehow loving.


Homosexuality is indeed a sin that warrants the death penalty.

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Postby The Rich Port » Tue May 21, 2019 11:56 am

Califghanistan wrote:
The Rich Port wrote:
Considering that the man you are using as an authority on the matter also advocated for the execution of gay people (and you didn't make that fact immediately clear), I would say he doubts the sincerity of that saying.

Which, yeah. Unless you're also going to argue that murder is somehow loving.


Homosexuality is indeed a sin that warrants the death penalty.


Yeah, then "loving the sinner" is nonsense.

Again, unless you consider murder loving.

Which most people don't.
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Postby Heloin » Tue May 21, 2019 11:57 am

Califghanistan wrote:
Heloin wrote:If you are comparing people living out there daily lives to the worst of society, then you kind of hate them and acting holier then thou about it does you no favours.


Homosexuality is a sin. There is no doubt about that. Do I hate homosexuals? Believe me when I say some of my friends are self-declared homosexuals. Am I holy? Only God can know. But I do not let that stop me from worshipping Him.

"Some of my best friends are..." doesn't help you. You clearly hate homosexuals if you think the death penalty to the correct response.
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Postby Califghanistan » Tue May 21, 2019 11:59 am

Highever wrote:
Califghanistan wrote:
So you disagree with that?

No I disagree with you calling homosexuals the same as rapists and necrophiles and then trying to mask your clear disdain and hate for them as shown by this sentiment behind religious righteousness.


As if that is what I am doing.

Grouping homosexuals(not people attracted to the same gender, people who actually commit the act of making love to someone of the same gender) with other people that commit sexually immoral acts is the truth. The sexually immoral act of making love to someone of the same gender is indeed the same as the sexually immoral act making love to a corpse, animal, or child. But indeed, the act is separate from the individual. It is inconceivable that God would make some people homosexual and then declare it a crime. To accept such a notion would be to believe God is unjust when God is the Most Just.

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Postby Califghanistan » Tue May 21, 2019 12:00 pm

The Rich Port wrote:
Califghanistan wrote:
Homosexuality is indeed a sin that warrants the death penalty.


Yeah, then "loving the sinner" is nonsense.

Again, unless you consider murder loving.

Which most people don't.


A heart of stone is required. Despite the fact that they are still the creation of the God that you love, they still committed a crime and they still deserve the punishment for it.

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Postby Califghanistan » Tue May 21, 2019 12:01 pm

Heloin wrote:
Califghanistan wrote:
Homosexuality is a sin. There is no doubt about that. Do I hate homosexuals? Believe me when I say some of my friends are self-declared homosexuals. Am I holy? Only God can know. But I do not let that stop me from worshipping Him.

"Some of my best friends are..." doesn't help you. You clearly hate homosexuals if you think the death penalty to the correct response.


An assumption. Know that even though I love these people(like I love all people for the sake of God), punishment is required for them.

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Postby Califghanistan » Tue May 21, 2019 12:01 pm

Note that I regard "homosexuals" not as people who are attracted to the same gender, but as people who make love to the same gender. Because that is what homosexuality is; an action.

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Postby Highever » Tue May 21, 2019 12:03 pm

Califghanistan wrote:
Highever wrote:No I disagree with you calling homosexuals the same as rapists and necrophiles and then trying to mask your clear disdain and hate for them as shown by this sentiment behind religious righteousness.


As if that is what I am doing.

Grouping homosexuals(not people attracted to the same gender, people who actually commit the act of making love to someone of the same gender) with other people that commit sexually immoral acts is the truth. The sexually immoral act of making love to someone of the same gender is indeed the same as the sexually immoral act making love to a corpse, animal, or child. But indeed, the act is separate from the individual. It is inconceivable that God would make some people homosexual and then declare it a crime. To accept such a notion would be to believe God is unjust when God is the Most Just.

Considering you think they should be put to death yes, that is exactly what you are doing. You can try and make yourself out to be some sort of righteous and loving person while also calling for their deaths but no ones buying it. Except yourself, I guess. Somehow.
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Postby Heloin » Tue May 21, 2019 12:04 pm

Califghanistan wrote:
Heloin wrote:"Some of my best friends are..." doesn't help you. You clearly hate homosexuals if you think the death penalty to the correct response.


An assumption. Know that even though I love these people(like I love all people for the sake of God), punishment is required for them.

People who don't hate people don't call for the death of the people they don't hate.

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Postby The Black Forrest » Tue May 21, 2019 12:05 pm

Califghanistan wrote:
The Rich Port wrote:
You gonna show us the "Eat Da Poopoo" meme next.

It's on the same wavelength, more or less.


It must be the only thing you're able to comprehend. Dr. Zakir Naik is a literal genius with a Ph.D. and was invited to many institutions worldwide to speak about his religion. He is the world's number one religious speaker.


Eh? I don't know about his medical skills. Probably would avoid him as he seems to promote rather violent actions and holds some rather antiquated thoughts.

Read some of his views on evolution. He may speak well. He may know the Qur-an well. I am not sure I would classify him a man of science.

His views on on LGBT kind of suggest he is rather ignorant......
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Postby Califghanistan » Tue May 21, 2019 12:06 pm

Highever wrote:
Califghanistan wrote:
As if that is what I am doing.

Grouping homosexuals(not people attracted to the same gender, people who actually commit the act of making love to someone of the same gender) with other people that commit sexually immoral acts is the truth. The sexually immoral act of making love to someone of the same gender is indeed the same as the sexually immoral act making love to a corpse, animal, or child. But indeed, the act is separate from the individual. It is inconceivable that God would make some people homosexual and then declare it a crime. To accept such a notion would be to believe God is unjust when God is the Most Just.

Considering you think they should be put to death yes, that is exactly what you are doing. You can try and make yourself out to be some sort of righteous and loving person while also calling for their deaths but no ones buying it. Except yourself, I guess. Somehow.


Know that homosexuality is a sin. Calling for the death of one who makes love to someone of the same gender is the same as calling for the death of one who kills another. Learn this.

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