What is your opinion on LGBT+ marriage?

[Risastorstein]

So how do you treat it then if it's an illness?

By not validating their delusional idealization for starters. No woman has ever had a penis and no man can bear a child. And I don't know, sport is a good way to own your body. But no, we shouldn't prescribe hormones and surgery for a mental issue.

[Neutraligon]

So how do you treat it then if it's an illness?

By not validating their delusional idealization for starters. No woman has ever had a penis and no man can bear a child. And I don't know, sport is a good way to own your body. But no, we shouldn't prescribe hormones and surgery for a mental issue.

seems to me this talk about trans stuff belongs in a different thread since it has nothing to do with lgbt marriage.

[Katganistan]

Changing your name isn't a basic right.

Actually, it is. Don't make pronouncements when you don't know what you're talking about; it makes you look very foolish.

Messing with a otherwise healthy body isn't a basic right.

Actually, it is. You have the right to obtain a tattoo, pierce your ears, have cosmetic surgery, pierce anything else you want pierced, have weight loss surgery, etc. if you are of age. Again: don't make pronouncements when you don't know what you are talking about.

Wanting your hormonal cocktail to be free isn't a basic right.

It is, if covered under health insurance.

Changing the definition of gender to accommodate 0.5% of annoyed people because they aren't born the way they want isn't a basic right.

Neither is refusing to believe that science has known for a LONG time that gender is complex (XXY babies, for example, XYY babies, trisomy X babies, intersex babies...

And the American Psychological Association disagrees with your opinion that there are only two genders and people with genders differing from their sex at birth are something new.

So please educate yourself rather than stick stubbornly to the 'it's all those damned liberals and SJWs forcing this down our throats! I Know Better!" script. Science knows best, and it doesn't support your opinion.

[Ifreann]

The best Christian is a self-hating Christian.

I mean, I do hate myself as much as the next guy, but... there is no but, I just hate myself.

Big mood.

[Katganistan]

Ah... so this is the LGBT+ marriage thread? I was starting to wonder.

My opinion now is the same as it was one hundred pages ago: there should be no legal prohibitions against two freely consenting adults getting married.

I actually think that there should be a traditional marriage between a man and a woman, and that civil unions/relationships between gays/lesbians should be allowed

Why should gays only get marriage light/the Vouie Litton knock-off?

[Cekoviu]

Ah... so this is the LGBT+ marriage thread? I was starting to wonder.

My opinion now is the same as it was one hundred pages ago: there should be no legal prohibitions against two freely consenting adults getting married.

I actually think that there should be a traditional marriage between a man and a woman, and that civil unions/relationships between gays/lesbians should be allowed

Kind of an odd position to take as a gay person.

[Elwher]

Wanting your hormonal cocktail to be free isn't a basic right.

It is, if covered under health insurance.

No, it is not free, you and other people are paying for it via their premiums.

[The Free Joy State]

It is, if covered under health insurance.

No, it is not free, you and other people are paying for it via their premiums.

That's more to do with an insurance-based healthcare system, though, isn't it (although, I thought insurance -- correct me if I'm wrong -- in most cases didn't cover things not considered necessary, so it being paid through premiums doesn't diminish the point about rights)?

For comparison, in my country, the national healthcare service covers the hormone therapy and surgery of individuals with gender dysphoria.

EDIT: Though this is probably way off-topic.

[Te Netherlands]

I actually think that there should be a traditional marriage between a man and a woman, and that civil unions/relationships between gays/lesbians should be allowed

Why should gays only get marriage light/the Vouie Litton knock-off?

I don't get the question

[The Grims]

Why should gays only get marriage light/the Vouie Litton knock-off?

I don't get the question

They are asking why gay marriage should get a special name , like civil union, while it is the same thing.

[Te Netherlands]

I don't get the question

They are asking why gay marriage should get a special name , like civil union, while it is the same thing.

Oh that, I meant to say that I only believe in a traditional marriage between a man and a woman, and that gay people should have the freedom to have a relationship and live together, more like a registered partnership

[Juristonia]

They are asking why gay marriage should get a special name , like civil union, while it is the same thing.

Oh that, I meant to say that I only believe in a traditional marriage between a man and a woman, and that gay people should have the freedom to have a relationship and live together, more like a registered partnership

They get that that's what you believe. They're asking why.

[Te Netherlands]

Oh that, I meant to say that I only believe in a traditional marriage between a man and a woman, and that gay people should have the freedom to have a relationship and live together, more like a registered partnership

They get that that's what you believe. They're asking why.

I believe in that because it was always been that only a man and a woman can marry each other, and two men and two women can't produce children, and I believe that you only can have children after marriage. And I believe we should live in a stronger Christian society. I am not judging anyone who have children and are not married, it's their choice, but I actually don't know any more reasons than this why I believe that

[Vassenor]

They get that that's what you believe. They're asking why.

I believe in that because it was always been that only a man and a woman can marry each other, and two men and two women can't produce children, and I believe that you only can have children after marriage. And I believe we should live in a stronger Christian society. I am not judging anyone who have children and are not married, it's their choice, but I actually don't know any more reasons than this why I believe that

So when do you ban heterosexual couples where one or both of the participants is infertile from marrying?

[New haven america]

They get that that's what you believe. They're asking why.

I believe in that because it was always been that only a man and a woman can marry each other, and two men and two women can't produce children, and I believe that you only can have children after marriage. And I believe we should live in a stronger Christian society. I am not judging anyone who have children and are not married, it's their choice, but I actually don't know any more reasons than this why I believe that

What about infertile couples or non-Christians?

[Kowani]

They get that that's what you believe. They're asking why.

I believe in that because it was always been that only a man and a woman can marry each other,

Yes, this isn’t true at all.

and two men and two women can't produce children,

I wasn’t aware kids were the only point of marriage. Also, you should look up in-vitro fertilization.

and I believe that you only can have children after marriage.

Biology doesn’t agree with you.

[The Grims]

They get that that's what you believe. They're asking why.

I believe in that because it was always been that only a man and a woman can marry each other, and two men and two women can't produce children, and I believe that you only can have children after marriage. And I believe we should live in a stronger Christian society. I am not judging anyone who have children and are not married, it's their choice, but I actually don't know any more reasons than this why I believe that

It has not always been that way. Solomon for instance had many wives.
And marriage is not a christian invention, so the opinion of christians on it does not matter more or less than everybody elses

[The New California Republic]

and I believe that you only can have children after marriage.

Biology doesn’t agree with you.

I think he has just phrased it incorrectly. I think that it should read "you should only have children" rather than "you only can have children"; i.e. it is a moral statement rather than a statement of biological fact.

[Kowani]

Biology doesn’t agree with you.

I think he has just phrased it incorrectly. I think that it should read "you should only have children" rather than "you only can have children"; i.e. it is a moral statement rather than a statement of biological fact.

Ah. Well, that’s a different thing, in which case I don’t care because fuck moral arguments.

[Abarri]

They get that that's what you believe. They're asking why.

I believe in that because it was always been that only a man and a woman can marry each other, and two men and two women can't produce children, and I believe that you only can have children after marriage. And I believe we should live in a stronger Christian society. I am not judging anyone who have children and are not married, it's their choice, but I actually don't know any more reasons than this why I believe that

Unfortunately (for you?), Christianity is not for everyone. Also, tradition or past custom is not always a definite prescription on how society should work.

[Bezkoshtovnya]

They get that that's what you believe. They're asking why.

I believe in that because it was always been that only a man and a woman can marry each other, and two men and two women can't produce children, and I believe that you only can have children after marriage. And I believe we should live in a stronger Christian society. I am not judging anyone who have children and are not married, it's their choice, but I actually don't know any more reasons than this why I believe that

Not true. There is evidence that points to same sex marital practices as far back as Mesopotamia.

[Nakena]

I believe in that because it was always been that only a man and a woman can marry each other, and two men and two women can't produce children, and I believe that you only can have children after marriage. And I believe we should live in a stronger Christian society. I am not judging anyone who have children and are not married, it's their choice, but I actually don't know any more reasons than this why I believe that

What about infertile couples or non-Christians?

I guess non-christians wouldn really have to be affected.

[Mettaton-EX]

I believe in that because it was always been that only a man and a woman can marry each other, and two men and two women can't produce children, and I believe that you only can have children after marriage. And I believe we should live in a stronger Christian society. I am not judging anyone who have children and are not married, it's their choice, but I actually don't know any more reasons than this why I believe that

Not true. There is evidence that points to same sex marital practices as far back as Mesopotamia.

trans and/or nonbinary people too, for that matter

[Stagnant Axon Terminal]

What about infertile couples or non-Christians?

I guess non-christians wouldn really have to be affected.

so basically
"Idk do whatever if you aren't Christian"
Is your stance

[The Grims]

I guess non-christians wouldn really have to be affected.

so basically
"Idk do whatever if you aren't Christian"
Is your stance

Seems reasonable. If you are a christian, act like it. If not, your choice.