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Lgbt marriage: good or bad?

Yes, love is love.
408
58%
No, it's a sin.
86
12%
No, love is for reproducing.
50
7%
No, civil unions are better.
23
3%
Maybe
13
2%
Praise David Hasselhoff (Requested by Some random cat dude)
88
13%
No opinion/neutral
30
4%
 
Total votes : 698

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Postby Cekoviu » Tue May 07, 2019 7:13 am

The New California Republic wrote:
Totally Not OEP wrote:It should be made illegal and the interest groups supporting it should be disbanded with expressions of support suppressed likewise. For particularly troublesome elements, and undoubtedly such will exist, they will most likely have to be suppressed by military force and imprisoned; I have no desire to create martyrs.

Totally Not OEP wrote:I don't recall that being the topic, nor was that specifically brought up in this exchange till now so I'm not sure why you're acting like I've committed some rhetorical transgression.

Usually if you want to use military force against civilians and imprison specific people then there is a damn good reason for it; which is...what, exactly?

Homophobia.
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Postby The New California Republic » Tue May 07, 2019 7:13 am

Totally Not OEP wrote:Might want to take the time to re-read what the thread title is.

So you talked about something off-topic, and then when people question it you throw the "don't go off-topic" card in their faces? Fucking pathetic, it really is. :roll:
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Postby Totally Not OEP » Tue May 07, 2019 7:13 am

The New California Republic wrote:
Totally Not OEP wrote:It should be made illegal and the interest groups supporting it should be disbanded with expressions of support suppressed likewise. For particularly troublesome elements, and undoubtedly such will exist, they will most likely have to be suppressed by military force and imprisoned; I have no desire to create martyrs.

Totally Not OEP wrote:I don't recall that being the topic, nor was that specifically brought up in this exchange till now so I'm not sure why you're acting like I've committed some rhetorical transgression.

Usually if you want to use military force against civilians and imprison specific people then there is a damn good reason for it; which is...what, exactly?


Re-read the thread title.
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Postby Wunderstrafanstalt » Tue May 07, 2019 7:14 am

Daily Mail Island wrote:A new study shows that gay marriage causes house prices to drop and a rise in refugees taking our jobs.

That is just unfair for ordinary hard working good honest people.

We need Brexit because Brussels is ordering all marriage to be gay marriage!


Nonsense. Vote in May and let's establish a CHRISTIAN EU federation. Give the bureaucrats unlimited power to stop immigrants and enforce God's law!

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Postby Totally Not OEP » Tue May 07, 2019 7:14 am

The New California Republic wrote:
Totally Not OEP wrote:Might want to take the time to re-read what the thread title is.

So you talked about something off-topic, and then when people question it you throw the "don't go off topic" card in their faces? Fucking pathetic, it really is. :roll:


I'd be absolute delighted for you to show where that occurred.
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Postby Heloin » Tue May 07, 2019 7:14 am

Totally Not OEP wrote:
Heloin wrote:You're the one who brought it up.


Might want to take the time to re-read what the thread title is.

You might want to take the time to explain why homosexuality it bad in order to give any reason for not allowing gay marriage.

I've been here since page one of this hellish thread. You may want to make up better excuses then that.

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Postby Feudal Bulgaria » Tue May 07, 2019 7:15 am

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Totally Not OEP wrote:I'm ardently opposed to it, as I see it as a degenerate practice that is an affront to my faith.

Aww diddums. Shame that not everyone shares your faith.

Totally Not OEP wrote:With this in mind, It should be made illegal and the interest groups supporting it should be disbanded with expressions of support suppressed likewise.

What a load of oppressive shit to save your feefees.

Totally Not OEP wrote:For particularly troublesome elements, and undoubtedly such will exist, they will most likely have to be suppressed by military force and imprisoned

That shit can fuck right off.


Oppressive wow my shoe can be more original :clap:

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Postby The New California Republic » Tue May 07, 2019 7:15 am

Totally Not OEP wrote:
The New California Republic wrote:So you talked about something off-topic, and then when people question it you throw the "don't go off topic" card in their faces? Fucking pathetic, it really is. :roll:


I'd be absolute delighted for you to show where that occurred.

When you asked people to re-read the thread title.
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Postby Cekoviu » Tue May 07, 2019 7:15 am

Totally Not OEP wrote:
Cekoviu wrote:I have no idea why you would think civil unions would be any less sinful than marriage, given that the only difference is the title.


Marriage is an institution that has its specific roots in religion, civil unions are directly a creation of the state with no religious background.

Civil unions are a creation of the state to duplicate the benefits of marriage without the title. It's like saying a clone of a sheep doesn't have the same parents as the original: technically it didn't come out of the same vagina as the original, but it's genetically a descendant.
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Postby Aglanen » Tue May 07, 2019 7:16 am

Totally Not OEP wrote:
Cekoviu wrote:I have no idea why you would think civil unions would be any less sinful than marriage, given that the only difference is the title.


Marriage is an institution that has its specific roots in religion, civil unions are directly a creation of the state with no religious background.


Great. So that means if a gay or lesbian couple also happen to belong to a religion, they ought to have the right to marry. That wasn't hard.
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Postby Cekoviu » Tue May 07, 2019 7:16 am

Feudal Bulgaria wrote:
The New California Republic wrote:Aww diddums. Shame that not everyone shares your faith.


What a load of oppressive shit to save your feefees.


That shit can fuck right off.


Oppressive wow my shoe can be more original :clap:

Just because something is commonly said doesn't make it wrong. Turns out a lot of societal institutions and political views are oppressive.
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Postby Wunderstrafanstalt » Tue May 07, 2019 7:16 am

Totally Not OEP wrote:
The New California Republic wrote:
Usually if you want to use military force against civilians and imprison specific people then there is a damn good reason for it; which is...what, exactly?


Re-read the thread title.


I mean, if your opinion is 2+2=3, you probably think there's a good reason for it, eh?

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Postby Cekoviu » Tue May 07, 2019 7:16 am

Aglanen wrote:
Totally Not OEP wrote:
Marriage is an institution that has its specific roots in religion, civil unions are directly a creation of the state with no religious background.


Great. So that means in gay or lesbian couple also happen to belong to a religion, they ought to have the right to marry. That wasn't hard.

What?
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Postby The Xenopolis Confederation » Tue May 07, 2019 7:17 am

Totally Not OEP wrote:
Heloin wrote:You're the one who brought it up.


Might want to take the time to re-read what the thread title is.

"Is homosexual marriage good"

"Nope, homosexuality is bad, and it should be a crime."

"Why should homosexuality be a crime?"

"You're being off-topic."

"You were the one who brought it up."

"Yeah, I brought it up because it was on topic, look at the title."

This seems like trolling, dude.
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Postby Wunderstrafanstalt » Tue May 07, 2019 7:20 am

Aglanen wrote:
Totally Not OEP wrote:
Marriage is an institution that has its specific roots in religion, civil unions are directly a creation of the state with no religious background.


Great. So that means if a gay or lesbian couple also happen to belong to a religion, they ought to have the right to marry. That wasn't hard.


Civil union's aim is to give the perks of marriage, such as parental responsibility and (probably) inheritance without the need of joining/following a certain religion.

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Postby Feudal Bulgaria » Tue May 07, 2019 7:21 am

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Totally Not OEP wrote:I'm ardently opposed to it, as I see it as a degenerate practice that is an affront to my faith.

The fact that you see gay marriage as something relevant enough to people's lives to ardently oppose it speaks volumes of your skewed priorities. Homosexuals marrying and building their families in peace has less of a socially degenerating effect than your militant anti-gay beliefs, which are used to alienate and divide the people of a nation and incite people into acts of terror against the homosexual community, even if you don't explicitly wish so.

Totally Not OEP wrote:With this in mind, It should be made illegal and the interest groups supporting it should be disbanded with expressions of support suppressed likewise.

Not until your religion and personal faith are both outlawed and state atheism implemented to avoid this type of embarrassing and harmful degeneracy from spreading.

Totally Not OEP wrote:For particularly troublesome elements, and undoubtedly such will exist, they will most likely have to be suppressed by military force and imprisoned; I have no desire to create martyrs.

You have no desire to create martyrs and I bet you'll make yourself into one once the evil gay communist left destroys you with logic and evidence which I suspect they already have done. All of what you said is basically begging for a retaliation so that you can make yourself into a martyr. You don't stand with God and God doesn't stand with you. Just know that.

I understand your lame comeback to the other guy's response but you have to consider in mind that the word degeneracy was made by the nazis for people that support faggis like you so might as well stop using it cuz it isnt making sense.

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Postby Heloin » Tue May 07, 2019 7:22 am

Wunderstrafanstalt wrote:
Aglanen wrote:
Great. So that means if a gay or lesbian couple also happen to belong to a religion, they ought to have the right to marry. That wasn't hard.


Civil union's aim is to give the perks of marriage, such as parental responsibility and (probably) inheritance without the need of joining/following a certain religion.

But people don't need to be part of a religion to get married. Marriage isn't necessarily a religious thing.

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Postby The Xenopolis Confederation » Tue May 07, 2019 7:23 am

Feudal Bulgaria wrote:
Tankmen wrote:The fact that you see gay marriage as something relevant enough to people's lives to ardently oppose it speaks volumes of your skewed priorities. Homosexuals marrying and building their families in peace has less of a socially degenerating effect than your militant anti-gay beliefs, which are used to alienate and divide the people of a nation and incite people into acts of terror against the homosexual community, even if you don't explicitly wish so.


Not until your religion and personal faith are both outlawed and state atheism implemented to avoid this type of embarrassing and harmful degeneracy from spreading.


You have no desire to create martyrs and I bet you'll make yourself into one once the evil gay communist left destroys you with logic and evidence which I suspect they already have done. All of what you said is basically begging for a retaliation so that you can make yourself into a martyr. You don't stand with God and God doesn't stand with you. Just know that.

I understand your lame comeback to the other guy's response but you have to consider in mind that the word degeneracy was made by the nazis for people that support faggis like you so might as well stop using it cuz it isnt making sense.

Calling someone a "faggi" is begging to be banned.
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Postby Heloin » Tue May 07, 2019 7:24 am

The Xenopolis Confederation wrote:
Feudal Bulgaria wrote:I understand your lame comeback to the other guy's response but you have to consider in mind that the word degeneracy was made by the nazis for people that support faggis like you so might as well stop using it cuz it isnt making sense.

Calling someone a "faggi" is begging to be banned.

Probably best you just ignore him.

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Postby Andsed » Tue May 07, 2019 7:26 am

Totally Not OEP wrote:
Heloin wrote:You're the one who brought it up.


Might want to take the time to re-read what the thread title is.

Oh please you are the one who brought up the idea of homosexuality being wrong and should be a crime. I asked for you to give a sensible reason for it. (though lets be honest there is none) And now your going to pull this off topic nonsense? For shame.
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Postby Wunderstrafanstalt » Tue May 07, 2019 7:29 am

Heloin wrote:
Wunderstrafanstalt wrote:
Civil union's aim is to give the perks of marriage, such as parental responsibility and (probably) inheritance without the need of joining/following a certain religion.

But people don't need to be part of a religion to get married. Marriage isn't necessarily a religious thing.


Which begs the question: what's marriage?

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Postby The Free Joy State » Tue May 07, 2019 7:30 am

Wunderstrafanstalt wrote:
Heloin wrote:But people don't need to be part of a religion to get married. Marriage isn't necessarily a religious thing.


Which begs the question: what's marriage?

You could probably have a whole debate on that alone.
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Postby Wunderstrafanstalt » Tue May 07, 2019 7:39 am

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Wunderstrafanstalt wrote:
Which begs the question: what's marriage?

You could probably have a whole debate on that alone.


Would be fair to ask that, I don't see how discussing "Can A be B" is possible without knowing what "B" is.

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Postby The Xenopolis Confederation » Tue May 07, 2019 7:40 am

Heloin wrote:
The Xenopolis Confederation wrote:Calling someone a "faggi" is begging to be banned.

Probably best you just ignore him.

I want to prevent him from being banned.
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Postby The Free Joy State » Tue May 07, 2019 7:42 am

Wunderstrafanstalt wrote:
The Free Joy State wrote:You could probably have a whole debate on that alone.


Would be fair to ask that, I don't see how discussing "Can A be B" is possible without knowing what "B" is.

It's a fair question to ask.

I mean, I know my view of marriage -- a contract between two freely consenting adults who love one another, designed to build a stable relationship, ideally for life (and possibly with a religious aspect if those individuals so desire).

But I've seen arguments that marriage is only for reproduction, only for tax benefits and only for the glory of God.

So, there are other interpretations.
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