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Lgbt marriage: good or bad?

Yes, love is love.
408
58%
No, it's a sin.
86
12%
No, love is for reproducing.
50
7%
No, civil unions are better.
23
3%
Maybe
13
2%
Praise David Hasselhoff (Requested by Some random cat dude)
88
13%
No opinion/neutral
30
4%
 
Total votes : 698

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The New California Republic
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Postby The New California Republic » Tue May 07, 2019 6:50 am

Drongonia wrote:The white race is being depopulated by homosexuality, and in conjunction with the fact we're already outbred in our own countries by the races we let in...

Evidence please. Evidence that shows a clear causal link between homosexuality and declining birth rates. And not correlation, causation. And don't fob us off with some blog posts or other shit that isn't peer-reviewed.
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Postby Ifreann » Tue May 07, 2019 6:51 am

Drongonia wrote:(((the economy)))

send help im dying :rofl:

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Postby Wunderstrafanstalt » Tue May 07, 2019 6:53 am

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I shouldn't have made any remarks about race, and I should have realized that original post was bait. My apologies for throwing the thread off-course. Nobody wants to hear about the "white genocide myth" so I won't post anymore about it here. If I see a thread about it, I'll post what I have to say there.


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Postby Drongonia » Tue May 07, 2019 6:53 am

The New California Republic wrote:
Drongonia wrote:The white race is being depopulated by homosexuality, and in conjunction with the fact we're already outbred in our own countries by the races we let in...

Evidence please. Evidence that shows a clear causal link between homosexuality and declining birth rates. And not correlation, causation. And don't fob us off with some blog posts or other shit that isn't peer-reviewed.


Honestly I can't show you direct evidence, you'll just have to wait and see. I could provide evidence of the white decline but not that the LGBT community are causing it. I'll give you that one. It is but my personal belief that this is the case.

Anyway, it's hard to believe this string of the thread still going considering it was just me getting baited into making an off-topic comment.
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Postby Bepsia » Tue May 07, 2019 6:53 am

Wunderstrafanstalt wrote:
Bepsia wrote:I know I'm just hopping in to this conversation with no knowledge of the current state of things in this forum but it is my personal belief that the only point of marriage is to have kids, it's entirely religious so I think that if you do not want kids or you are unable to as two women or two men are unable to do or you are non-religious getting married isn't worth it and the government should just get out of it.


Now I actually still want the original purpose of marriage to persist in society: family and child raising. Like, kids need someone to feed and care for them and big ol' govt should still do something to prevent child neglect/abuse/etc.

Yeah I understand that it is the govs job is to protect its people but marriage is a religious construct and I believe that it is the govs job to get out of religion.
Yes a mother and a father in my belief are very important and we are just now getting to see it play out on the larger scale and we will be able to see how it affects children.
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Postby The New California Republic » Tue May 07, 2019 6:56 am

Drongonia wrote:
The New California Republic wrote:Evidence please. Evidence that shows a clear causal link between homosexuality and declining birth rates. And not correlation, causation. And don't fob us off with some blog posts or other shit that isn't peer-reviewed.


Honestly I can't show you direct evidence, you'll just have to wait and see.

Alright then. I'll just go right ahead and throw the claim in the trash for you. Actually, best to put it through the shredder to make sure it's gone.

Drongonia wrote:I could provide evidence of the white decline but not that the LGBT community are causing it. I'll give you that one

Then it's a lesson to not make grandiose claims that have no basis, isn't it?

Drongonia wrote:Anyway, it's hard to believe this string of the thread still going considering it was just me getting baited into making an off-topic comment.

Don't play the victim. Nobody forced you to make that comment.
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Postby Bepsia » Tue May 07, 2019 6:56 am

Drongonia wrote:
The New California Republic wrote:Evidence please. Evidence that shows a clear causal link between homosexuality and declining birth rates. And not correlation, causation. And don't fob us off with some blog posts or other shit that isn't peer-reviewed.


Honestly I can't show you direct evidence, you'll just have to wait and see. I could provide evidence of the white decline but not that the LGBT community are causing it. I'll give you that one. It is but my personal belief that this is the case.

Anyway, it's hard to believe this string of the thread still going considering it was just me getting baited into making an off-topic comment.

You're so f*cking stupid back up your claim with evidence or back down.
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Postby Drongonia » Tue May 07, 2019 6:57 am

The New California Republic wrote:
Drongonia wrote:
Honestly I can't show you direct evidence, you'll just have to wait and see.

Alright then. I'll just go right ahead and throw the claim in the trash for you. Actually, best to put it through the shredder to make sure it's gone.

Drongonia wrote:I could provide evidence of the white decline but not that the LGBT community are causing it. I'll give you that one

Then it's a lesson to not make grandiose claims that have no basis, isn't it?


Make sure you also put the shredded bits in the fire, I want the thread to get back on topic

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Postby Drongonia » Tue May 07, 2019 6:57 am

Bepsia wrote:
Drongonia wrote:
Honestly I can't show you direct evidence, you'll just have to wait and see. I could provide evidence of the white decline but not that the LGBT community are causing it. I'll give you that one. It is but my personal belief that this is the case.

Anyway, it's hard to believe this string of the thread still going considering it was just me getting baited into making an off-topic comment.

You're so f*cking stupid back up your claim with evidence or back down.


I just backed down. Can you not read?

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Postby Heloin » Tue May 07, 2019 6:57 am

Drongonia wrote:
The New California Republic wrote:Evidence please. Evidence that shows a clear causal link between homosexuality and declining birth rates. And not correlation, causation. And don't fob us off with some blog posts or other shit that isn't peer-reviewed.


Honestly I can't show you direct evidence, you'll just have to wait and see. I could provide evidence of the white decline but not that the LGBT community are causing it. I'll give you that one. It is but my personal belief that this is the case.

Anyway, it's hard to believe this string of the thread still going considering it was just me getting baited into making an off-topic comment.

If you think people are baiting you then you should take that over to moderation.

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Postby Nakena » Tue May 07, 2019 6:58 am

Drongonia wrote:Honestly I can't show you direct evidence, you'll just have to wait and see. I could provide evidence of the white decline but not that the LGBT community are causing it. I'll give you that one.


We all make mistakes and sometimes buy into bad memes.

Drongonia wrote:It is but my personal belief that this is the case.


On what influences to you base this personal beliefs?

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Postby Drongonia » Tue May 07, 2019 6:58 am

Heloin wrote:
Drongonia wrote:
Honestly I can't show you direct evidence, you'll just have to wait and see. I could provide evidence of the white decline but not that the LGBT community are causing it. I'll give you that one. It is but my personal belief that this is the case.

Anyway, it's hard to believe this string of the thread still going considering it was just me getting baited into making an off-topic comment.

If you think people are baiting you then you should take that over to moderation.


It was a joke post someone made sarcastically, I thought it was serious so jumped on it. Entirely my mistake.

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Postby Drongonia » Tue May 07, 2019 6:59 am

Nakena wrote:
Drongonia wrote:Honestly I can't show you direct evidence, you'll just have to wait and see. I could provide evidence of the white decline but not that the LGBT community are causing it. I'll give you that one.


We all make mistakes and sometimes buy into bad memes.

Drongonia wrote:It is but my personal belief that this is the case.


On what influences to you base this personal beliefs?


This isn't the place to go into it

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Postby Wunderstrafanstalt » Tue May 07, 2019 7:04 am

Bepsia wrote:
Wunderstrafanstalt wrote:
Now I actually still want the original purpose of marriage to persist in society: family and child raising. Like, kids need someone to feed and care for them and big ol' govt should still do something to prevent child neglect/abuse/etc.

Yeah I understand that it is the govs job is to protect its people but marriage is a religious construct and I believe that it is the govs job to get out of religion.
Yes a mother and a father in my belief are very important and we are just now getting to see it play out on the larger scale and we will be able to see how it affects children.



Fact is, child neglect and the sense of parental responsibility are shitty today (though I haven't got the data from the past to compare with). You can decide whether you want to have kids or not but you shouldn't decide whether you want to care for your living, breathing kid. At least, there should be some kind of system to maximize parental responsibility (as going to 100% is frivolous)

Also, calm down. Ad hominems are not okay.

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Postby Daily Mail Island » Tue May 07, 2019 7:04 am

A new study shows that gay marriage causes house prices to drop and a rise in refugees taking our jobs.

That is just unfair for ordinary hard working good honest people.

We need Brexit because Brussels is ordering all marriage to be gay marriage!
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Postby Cekoviu » Tue May 07, 2019 7:06 am

Kowani wrote:
United Muscovite Nations wrote:Genesis is obviously a metaphor, even though God is capable of miracles, there's no reason for him to act this particular one when he is capable of planning out the entire universe of natural evolution in advance, as many theologians have long accepted.

Yeah, a loving god doesn’t really square with the idea of evolution.

The idea of evolution has nothing to do with loving or not loving, it's merely the idea that genes change throughout populations and produce new species. The specific mechanisms by which this occurs include natural selection, which wouldn't square with a loving god, but not evolution as a whole.
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Postby Cekoviu » Tue May 07, 2019 7:07 am

Desheret wrote:LGBT+ marriage is something I will never support due to the sinful nature of it. I think civil partnerships are a good alternative.

I have no idea why you would think civil unions would be any less sinful than marriage, given that the only difference is the title.
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Postby Totally Not OEP » Tue May 07, 2019 7:08 am

Drongonia wrote:
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I do dare and do so happily with extreme prejudice because this exact thinking is why Gay Marriage is even a thing; Boomer Conservatism is perhaps the biggest failure to ever be witnessed in contemporary American politics.


So you'd happily live in a society where the ability to suppress people on belief alone existed under law? Remember that if the far-left was ever to take power, you would be able to be imprisoned because you basically said "MUH MURREGE"


Again, case in point why Boomer Conservatism is a joke.
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Postby Cekoviu » Tue May 07, 2019 7:08 am

Drongonia wrote:
Ifreann wrote:Having gay sex destroys the white race.


This is true. The white race is being depopulated by homosexuality, and in conjunction with the fact we're already outbred in our own countries by the races we let in...

However, if we want a race to survive, we should have more babies rather than persecuting those who don't want to.

You do realize that non-white people are also gay at equivalent rates?
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Postby Totally Not OEP » Tue May 07, 2019 7:09 am

Andsed wrote:
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Yes, are we going to have something relevant now or are you going to keep restating what has already been said?

Depends. Are you going to point out an actual sensible reason why homosexuality is bad?


I don't recall that being the topic, nor was that specifically brought up in this exchange till now so I'm not sure why you're acting like I've committed some rhetorical transgression.
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Postby Cekoviu » Tue May 07, 2019 7:09 am

Daily Mail Island wrote:A new study shows that gay marriage causes house prices to drop and a rise in refugees taking our jobs.

That is just unfair for ordinary hard working good honest people.

We need Brexit because Brussels is ordering all marriage to be gay marriage!

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Postby Heloin » Tue May 07, 2019 7:10 am

Totally Not OEP wrote:
Andsed wrote:Depends. Are you going to point out an actual sensible reason why homosexuality is bad?


I don't recall that being the topic, nor was that specifically brought up in this exchange till now so I'm not sure why you're acting like I've committed some rhetorical transgression.

You're the one who brought it up.
Totally Not OEP wrote:I'm ardently opposed to it, as I see it as a degenerate practice that is an affront to my faith.

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Postby Totally Not OEP » Tue May 07, 2019 7:12 am

Heloin wrote:
Totally Not OEP wrote:
I don't recall that being the topic, nor was that specifically brought up in this exchange till now so I'm not sure why you're acting like I've committed some rhetorical transgression.

You're the one who brought it up.
Totally Not OEP wrote:I'm ardently opposed to it, as I see it as a degenerate practice that is an affront to my faith.


Might want to take the time to re-read what the thread title is.
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Postby The New California Republic » Tue May 07, 2019 7:12 am

Totally Not OEP wrote:It should be made illegal and the interest groups supporting it should be disbanded with expressions of support suppressed likewise. For particularly troublesome elements, and undoubtedly such will exist, they will most likely have to be suppressed by military force and imprisoned; I have no desire to create martyrs.

Totally Not OEP wrote:
Andsed wrote:Depends. Are you going to point out an actual sensible reason why homosexuality is bad?

I don't recall that being the topic, nor was that specifically brought up in this exchange till now so I'm not sure why you're acting like I've committed some rhetorical transgression.

Usually if you want to use military force against civilians and imprison specific people then there is a damn good reason for it; which is...what, exactly?
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Postby Totally Not OEP » Tue May 07, 2019 7:13 am

Cekoviu wrote:
Desheret wrote:LGBT+ marriage is something I will never support due to the sinful nature of it. I think civil partnerships are a good alternative.

I have no idea why you would think civil unions would be any less sinful than marriage, given that the only difference is the title.


Marriage is an institution that has its specific roots in religion, civil unions are directly a creation of the state with no religious background.
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