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Lgbt marriage: good or bad?

Yes, love is love.
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58%
No, it's a sin.
86
12%
No, love is for reproducing.
50
7%
No, civil unions are better.
23
3%
Maybe
13
2%
Praise David Hasselhoff (Requested by Some random cat dude)
88
13%
No opinion/neutral
30
4%
 
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Postby The Xenopolis Confederation » Tue May 07, 2019 6:14 am

Drongonia wrote:
The Xenopolis Confederation wrote:What was it in Drongonia's post that you compare with boomer conservatism? A distate for extremism? An opposition to government overreach? Support of freedom of though & expression?

If these are marks of failure for any ideology, than surely marks of that ideology's success would be nightmarish.


In the grand scheme of things, people on the extreme left and right are equally awful. Not OEP doesn't understand that (he?) might one day become the subject of such draconian legislation.

As I understand it, and OEP please correct me if I'm wrong; OEP dislikes being suppressed or persecuted himself, but would gladly suppress and persecute were he in a position to do so. He either does not see a contradiction, or does not care about it.
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Postby Andsed » Tue May 07, 2019 6:14 am

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Andsed wrote:Depends. Are you going to point out an actual sensible reason why homosexuality is bad?


He already did, at least by his standard (using the great "I don't like X" argument)

Well that is a pretty piss poor standard.
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Postby Jebslund » Tue May 07, 2019 6:17 am

Drongonia wrote:
The Xenopolis Confederation wrote:What was it in Drongonia's post that you compare with boomer conservatism? A distate for extremism? An opposition to government overreach? Support of freedom of though & expression?

If these are marks of failure for any ideology, than surely marks of that ideology's success would be nightmarish.


In the grand scheme of things, people on the extreme left and right are equally awful. Not OEP doesn't understand that (he?) might one day become the subject of such draconian legislation.

Of course OEP won't! OEP stands with GOD, and that means OEP's side will always prevail and NEVER be on the receiving end of any policies they institute... :roll:

No wait, the other thing. Sow the wind, reap the whirlwind.
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Postby Tankmen » Tue May 07, 2019 6:20 am

Totally Not OEP wrote:I'm ardently opposed to it, as I see it as a degenerate practice that is an affront to my faith.

The fact that you see gay marriage as something relevant enough to people's lives to ardently oppose it speaks volumes of your skewed priorities. Homosexuals marrying and building their families in peace has less of a socially degenerating effect than your militant anti-gay beliefs, which are used to alienate and divide the people of a nation and incite people into acts of terror against the homosexual community, even if you don't explicitly wish so.

Totally Not OEP wrote:With this in mind, It should be made illegal and the interest groups supporting it should be disbanded with expressions of support suppressed likewise.

Not until your religion and personal faith are both outlawed and state atheism implemented to avoid this type of embarrassing and harmful degeneracy from spreading.

Totally Not OEP wrote:For particularly troublesome elements, and undoubtedly such will exist, they will most likely have to be suppressed by military force and imprisoned; I have no desire to create martyrs.

You have no desire to create martyrs and I bet you'll make yourself into one once the evil gay communist left destroys you with logic and evidence which I suspect they already have done. All of what you said is basically begging for a retaliation so that you can make yourself into a martyr. You don't stand with God and God doesn't stand with you. Just know that.
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Postby Vassenor » Tue May 07, 2019 6:22 am

Drongonia wrote:This is true. The white race is being depopulated by homosexuality, and in conjunction with the fact we're already outbred in our own countries by the races we let in...


I'm impressed. Every word in that sentence... was wrong.
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Postby Ifreann » Tue May 07, 2019 6:23 am

Drongonia wrote:
Ifreann wrote:Having gay sex destroys the white race.


This is true. The white race is being depopulated by homosexuality, and in conjunction with the fact we're already outbred in our own countries by the races we let in...

However, if we want a race to survive, we should have more babies rather than persecuting those who don't want to.

Fucking lol.

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Postby Drongonia » Tue May 07, 2019 6:23 am

Vassenor wrote:
Drongonia wrote:This is true. The white race is being depopulated by homosexuality, and in conjunction with the fact we're already outbred in our own countries by the races we let in...


I'm impressed. Every word in that sentence... was wrong.


I mean, I could give you statistics, but I doubt you'd read them if you think the words "is", "the", "by", "in", "and" etc are wrong.
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Postby Evil Dictators Happyland » Tue May 07, 2019 6:26 am

Drongonia wrote:
Vassenor wrote:
I'm impressed. Every word in that sentence... was wrong.


I mean, I could give you statistics, but I doubt you'd read them if you think the words "is", "the", "by", "in", "and" etc are wrong.

I'm mildly curious what you're talking about but also fairly certain that I've already seen the statistics you're talking about and I'm not going to be any more impressed by them now.

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Postby Vassenor » Tue May 07, 2019 6:26 am

Drongonia wrote:
Vassenor wrote:
I'm impressed. Every word in that sentence... was wrong.


I mean, I could give you statistics, but I doubt you'd read them if you think the words "is", "the", "by", "in", "and" etc are wrong.


I mean you did try and push the white genocide myth unironically.
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Postby Wunderstrafanstalt » Tue May 07, 2019 6:26 am

Drongonia wrote:
Ifreann wrote:Having gay sex destroys the white race.


This is true. The white race is being depopulated by homosexuality, and in conjunction with the fact we're already outbred in our own countries by the races we let in...

However, if we want a race to survive, we should have more babies rather than persecuting those who don't want to.


I mean you probably shouldn't ignore the hard truth that economic prosperity is the world's most efficient condom.

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Postby Drongonia » Tue May 07, 2019 6:30 am

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I shouldn't have made any remarks about race, and I should have realized that original post was bait. My apologies for throwing the thread off-course. Nobody wants to hear about the "white genocide myth" so I won't post anymore about it here. If I see a thread about it, I'll post what I have to say there.

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Postby The Xenopolis Confederation » Tue May 07, 2019 6:31 am

Tankmen wrote:
Totally Not OEP wrote:I'm ardently opposed to it, as I see it as a degenerate practice that is an affront to my faith.

The fact that you see gay marriage as something relevant enough to people's lives to ardently oppose it speaks volumes of your skewed priorities. Homosexuals marrying and building their families in peace has less of a socially degenerating effect than your militant anti-gay beliefs, which are used to alienate and divide the people of a nation and incite people into acts of terror against the homosexual community, even if you don't explicitly wish so.

Totally Not OEP wrote:With this in mind, It should be made illegal and the interest groups supporting it should be disbanded with expressions of support suppressed likewise.

Not until your religion and personal faith are both outlawed and state atheism implemented to avoid this type of embarrassing and harmful degeneracy from spreading.

Totally Not OEP wrote:For particularly troublesome elements, and undoubtedly such will exist, they will most likely have to be suppressed by military force and imprisoned; I have no desire to create martyrs.

You have no desire to create martyrs and I bet you'll make yourself into one once the evil gay communist left destroys you with logic and evidence which I suspect they already have done. All of what you said is basically begging for a retaliation so that you can make yourself into a martyr. You don't stand with God and God doesn't stand with you. Just know that.

State atheism? Explain please.
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Postby Tankmen » Tue May 07, 2019 6:33 am

The Xenopolis Confederation wrote:
Tankmen wrote:The fact that you see gay marriage as something relevant enough to people's lives to ardently oppose it speaks volumes of your skewed priorities. Homosexuals marrying and building their families in peace has less of a socially degenerating effect than your militant anti-gay beliefs, which are used to alienate and divide the people of a nation and incite people into acts of terror against the homosexual community, even if you don't explicitly wish so.


Not until your religion and personal faith are both outlawed and state atheism implemented to avoid this type of embarrassing and harmful degeneracy from spreading.


You have no desire to create martyrs and I bet you'll make yourself into one once the evil gay communist left destroys you with logic and evidence which I suspect they already have done. All of what you said is basically begging for a retaliation so that you can make yourself into a martyr. You don't stand with God and God doesn't stand with you. Just know that.

State atheism? Explain please.

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Postby Wunderstrafanstalt » Tue May 07, 2019 6:35 am

The Xenopolis Confederation wrote:
Tankmen wrote:The fact that you see gay marriage as something relevant enough to people's lives to ardently oppose it speaks volumes of your skewed priorities. Homosexuals marrying and building their families in peace has less of a socially degenerating effect than your militant anti-gay beliefs, which are used to alienate and divide the people of a nation and incite people into acts of terror against the homosexual community, even if you don't explicitly wish so.


Not until your religion and personal faith are both outlawed and state atheism implemented to avoid this type of embarrassing and harmful degeneracy from spreading.


You have no desire to create martyrs and I bet you'll make yourself into one once the evil gay communist left destroys you with logic and evidence which I suspect they already have done. All of what you said is basically begging for a retaliation so that you can make yourself into a martyr. You don't stand with God and God doesn't stand with you. Just know that.

State atheism? Explain please.


On the same place with theocracy: the bin.

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Postby Bepsia » Tue May 07, 2019 6:35 am

I know I'm just hopping in to this conversation with no knowledge of the current state of things in this forum but it is my personal belief that the only point of marriage is to have kids, it's entirely religious so I think that if you do not want kids or you are unable to as two women or two men are unable to do or you are non-religious getting married isn't worth it and the government should just get out of it.
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Postby The Xenopolis Confederation » Tue May 07, 2019 6:36 am

Tankmen wrote:
The Xenopolis Confederation wrote:State atheism? Explain please.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/State_atheism

I know what state atheism is, but to which kind do you subscribe? Do you want to just have an atheist government? Do you want to mandate everyone in government be an atheist? Have a religious test for running for government? Do you want to ban all religion? What kind of state atheism are we dealing with there?
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Postby Tankmen » Tue May 07, 2019 6:39 am

The Xenopolis Confederation wrote:

I know what state atheism is, but to which kind do you subscribe? Do you want to just have an atheist government? Do you want to mandate everyone in government be an atheist? Have a religious test for running for government? Do you want to ban all religion? What kind of state atheism are we dealing with there?

Ban religion while keeping one's personal spirituality in the privacy of their homes untouched.
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Postby The New California Republic » Tue May 07, 2019 6:41 am

Ifreann wrote:
Ifreann wrote:Having gay sex destroys the white race.
Drongonia wrote:This is true. The white race is being depopulated by homosexuality, and in conjunction with the fact we're already outbred in our own countries by the races we let in...

However, if we want a race to survive, we should have more babies rather than persecuting those who don't want to.

Fucking lol.

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Postby Wunderstrafanstalt » Tue May 07, 2019 6:42 am

Bepsia wrote:I know I'm just hopping in to this conversation with no knowledge of the current state of things in this forum but it is my personal belief that the only point of marriage is to have kids, it's entirely religious so I think that if you do not want kids or you are unable to as two women or two men are unable to do or you are non-religious getting married isn't worth it and the government should just get out of it.


Now I actually still want the original purpose of marriage to persist in society: family and child raising. Like, kids need someone to feed and care for them and big ol' govt should still do something to prevent child neglect/abuse/etc.

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Postby The Xenopolis Confederation » Tue May 07, 2019 6:44 am

Tankmen wrote:
The Xenopolis Confederation wrote:I know what state atheism is, but to which kind do you subscribe? Do you want to just have an atheist government? Do you want to mandate everyone in government be an atheist? Have a religious test for running for government? Do you want to ban all religion? What kind of state atheism are we dealing with there?

Ban religion while keeping one's personal spirituality in the privacy of their homes untouched.

What possible reason could you have to decimate the hearts and souls of more than 50% of the population? Are you aware this would mean shutting down every peaceful place of worship, burning every holy book, restricting every necklace, scratching every symbol, shredding the first amendment and every principle it was founded upon?
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Postby Heloin » Tue May 07, 2019 6:45 am

The Xenopolis Confederation wrote:
Heloin wrote:Very pro-homosexuality. Men and women were expected and encouraged to have partners of the same sex, and some people would get same sex marriages. It was the arrival of Christian missionaries that brought an end to this along with colonial crackdowns of homosexual acts. A century of colonial laws and the rise recently of Evangelical Americans heading to Africa that have caused the massive spike anti-LGBT laws being enforced in mass.

Interesting. Would recent anti-LGBT bills in African countries such as Uganda's bill then mean that that's a result of American Evangelicalism? Or is it a combination of factors in your eyes?

A combination of both. Though Americans coming to African countries and revitalising anti-LGBT laws in regions is definitely making it much harder for people fighting this discrimination and threats to their lives.

Drongonia wrote:
Ifreann wrote:Having gay sex destroys the white race.


This is true. The white race is being depopulated by homosexuality, and in conjunction with the fact we're already outbred in our own countries by the races we let in...

However, if we want a race to survive, we should have more babies rather than persecuting those who don't want to.

That's a whole lot of bullshit right there.

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Postby The New California Republic » Tue May 07, 2019 6:47 am

Bepsia wrote:the only point of marriage is to have kids

Not it isn't. Getting married in and of itself does not get a person pregnant; as shown by plenty of people having children out of wedlock.

Bepsia wrote:[marriage is] entirely religious

No it isn't. Secular marriage is a thing, and has been for a long time. You need to catch up.

Bepsia wrote:if you do not want kids or you are unable to as two women or two men are unable to do or you are non-religious getting married isn't worth it

There are legal advantages in many jurisdictions for people who get married, in addition to a whole host of other reasons for getting married. Reducing marriage to child production devalues marriage.

Bepsia wrote:the government should just get out of it.

The first sensible thing you have said thus far.
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Postby Evil Dictators Happyland » Tue May 07, 2019 6:47 am

Wunderstrafanstalt wrote:
Drongonia wrote:
This is true. The white race is being depopulated by homosexuality, and in conjunction with the fact we're already outbred in our own countries by the races we let in...

However, if we want a race to survive, we should have more babies rather than persecuting those who don't want to.


I mean you probably shouldn't ignore the hard truth that economic prosperity is the world's most efficient condom.

Alright boys, it's time to destroy the economy to save the white race!

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Postby Bepsia » Tue May 07, 2019 6:49 am

Drongonia wrote:
Ifreann wrote:Having gay sex destroys the white race.


This is true. The white race is being depopulated by homosexuality, and in conjunction with the fact we're already outbred in our own countries by the races we let in...

However, if we want a race to survive, we should have more babies rather than persecuting those who don't want to.

This is so wrong the percentage of people being gay is only around 7 percent it is going to take a long ass time for that to happen, yes it could happen in I'm assuming like 2850 but that's a heavy claim to make.
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Postby Drongonia » Tue May 07, 2019 6:50 am

Evil Dictators Happyland wrote:
Wunderstrafanstalt wrote:
I mean you probably shouldn't ignore the hard truth that economic prosperity is the world's most efficient condom.

Alright boys, it's time to destroy the economy to save the white race!


If you insist on continuing to take the thread this way, all I can say is that the economy doesn't need to be at the forefront of a nation's politics... AND there are many ways to sustain a productive economy without mass migration.

Remember this is a thread about LGBT+ marriage, not the fall of the white race.
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