What is your opinion on LGBT+ marriage?

[Vassenor]

I know it's called an abomination by Leviticus. Problem is, it was called an abomination for no reason. You can be a Christian and still disagree with the retarded aspects of that faith.

No, you cannot be and any objective thinking on this matter would reveal such. You state that it was called an abomination for no reason; that's not true, as it's called an abomination to God and that is reason enough alone. It is a perversion to the natural order of which he created, so as to support it is to against the very deity of their faith. One you've reached that, as well as literally calling the cornerstone of your faith retarded, it's clear you're no Christian.

"Anyone who disagrees with me is wrong" is by definition subjective thinking, not objective thinking.

[Totally Not OEP]

No, you cannot be and any objective thinking on this matter would reveal such. You state that it was called an abomination for no reason; that's not true, as it's called an abomination to God and that is reason enough alone. It is a perversion to the natural order of which he created, so as to support it is to against the very deity of their faith. One you've reached that, as well as literally calling the cornerstone of your faith retarded, it's clear you're no Christian.

"Anyone who disagrees with me is wrong" is by definition subjective thinking, not objective thinking.

TFW I'm God apparently.

[The Xenopolis Confederation]

I know it's called an abomination by Leviticus. Problem is, it was called an abomination for no reason. You can be a Christian and still disagree with the retarded aspects of that faith.

No, you cannot be and any objective thinking on this matter would reveal such. You state that it was called an abomination for no reason; that's not true, as it's called an abomination to God and that is reason enough alone. It is a perversion to the natural order of which he created, so as to support it is to against the very deity of their faith. One you've reached that, as well as literally calling the cornerstone of your faith retarded, it's clear you're no Christian.

If you can't ever disagree with God (as depicted in the Old Testament) and still be a Christian, then the only people who can legitimately call themselves Christian are very boring, credulous and mindless people.

[Mint Valley]

Love is love LGBT marriage is ok and so should be 3D + 2D, I'm still waiting for it T_T
I'm not part of the LGBT community but I believe in the right to love and be whoever you want.

[Jarian]

ginicun, we need an option for the nations who banned all marriage.

[Brazzers-Kongo]

I whole heartedly agree. I just can’t support Transgenders.

Because they demand to be accepted for “who they are” but they themselves cannot accept the way they are born.

Strange argument. If someone is born with a tumour or some kind of hazardous defect, shouldn't they undergo surgery to correct it? Because that's essentially what transgenderism is - a birth defect.

It's important to distinguish between transgenderism and gender dysphoria, which is the mental illness transgenders suffer from compelling them to undergo hormone therapy and/or sex reassignment. Note here that mental illness doesn't equal delusions: dysphoria has nothing in common with delusional disorders (e.g. schizophrenia) and is more akin to depression, but based around a disparity between one's body and brain. This, by the way, is a proven fact - studies have been conducted wherein transgenders have undergone MRI testing and their brain structure proved to be more similar to that of the gender they identified as instead of their biological sex.

https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2 ... 112351.htm
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5953012/

Do also note that some people (mostly "SJW" types) who claim to be transgenders aren't actually transgenders but might be doing it for attention.

But to answer OP's question: I'm wholly in favour of LGBT marriage as a heteroflexible guy with many gay and transgender friends. Unless you're religious there is really no good reason not to be.

[Feudal Bulgaria]

This isn't worth a discussion. Gay and Lesbian marriage is a human right. Believing anything less than that fact is bigotry, plain and simple.

/thread

Hahahah human right since when the 50s you sjws are funny first this now you you wanna legalise pedophilia too is that a right too cuz the reasonable people dont think so.

[The Xenopolis Confederation]

This isn't worth a discussion. Gay and Lesbian marriage is a human right. Believing anything less than that fact is bigotry, plain and simple.

/thread

Hahahah human right since when the 50s you sjws are funny first this now you you wanna legalise pedophilia too is that a right too cuz the reasonable people dont think so.

Are gay people pedophiles?

[Vassenor]

"Anyone who disagrees with me is wrong" is by definition subjective thinking, not objective thinking.

TFW I'm God apparently.

TIL claiming "because God said so" stops something being a subjective idea.

[Totally Not OEP]

TFW I'm God apparently.

TIL claiming "because God said so" stops something being a subjective idea.

When discussed in terms of the position of Christians, yes.

[Brazzers-Kongo]

This isn't worth a discussion. Gay and Lesbian marriage is a human right. Believing anything less than that fact is bigotry, plain and simple.

/thread

Hahahah human right since when the 50s you sjws are funny first this now you you wanna legalise pedophilia too is that a right too cuz the reasonable people dont think so.

>"reasonable people"
>compares homosexuality to pedophilia

200 IQ post my man, very redpilled

[Vassenor]

TIL claiming "because God said so" stops something being a subjective idea.

When discussed in terms of the position of Christians, yes.

Guess that explains why the whole debate and interpretation thing got tossed with the new Covenant. Makes it too hard to control people.

[The New California Republic]

Lots of factors here.

What actual choices are we talking about? Let's focus on the following questions:

1. Should a bisexual intentionally limit themselves to marrying someone from the opposite sex?
2. Should all other LGBT people attempt celibacy rather than getting married?
3. Is the use of social pressure on LGBT people justified? If so, what kind, and to what end?
4. Should LGBT people reject monogamy?
5. Should monogamous LGBT people be treated differently than monogamous heterosexuals? If so, how?
6. Should legal restrictions be imposed to suppress or invalidate non-heterosexual marriages?

Social considerations

1. Some say that LGBT marriages are inferior to heterosexual marriages across a wide range of areas. The growing number of unhappy homes in which children cannot develop properly and adults cannot meet their psychological needs is held to have wide ranging consequences for the whole society.
2. Some say that exposure to LGBT people and the normalization or legitimization of alternative sexualities will cause people to become LGBT who otherwise would not have been. Some go further, and say that LGBT people actively try to recruit others, with considerable success.
3. Some say that being LGBT makes you more likely to commit sex crimes, and only abstinence or conversion can prevent this.
4. Some say that sexual orientation is a matter of personal choice, and with therapy anyone can be made heterosexual.
5. Some say that the widespread acceptance of alternative sexualities and genders would pose a serious challenge to the earlier system of institutionalized gender roles and undermine the logic behind it.

There is no evidence to suggest any of the things that you have listed are actually true. In fact, some of the things you have listed are actually homophobic.

The implication of all of these is that the whole society has a strong vested interest in compelling LGBT people to pursue either abstinence or conversion through a combination of social pressure and government suppression.

Not really, as there is no evidence that any of the things you have listed is actually true.

But out of all of these, only the last is true.

Evidence?

And why bother listing the others if you know they aren't true? Listing things you know not to be true is just meaningless noise.

[The New California Republic]

I'm ardently opposed to it, as I see it as a degenerate practice that is an affront to my faith.

Aww diddums. Shame that not everyone shares your faith.

With this in mind, It should be made illegal and the interest groups supporting it should be disbanded with expressions of support suppressed likewise.

What a load of oppressive shit to save your feefees.

For particularly troublesome elements, and undoubtedly such will exist, they will most likely have to be suppressed by military force and imprisoned

That shit can fuck right off.

[Heloin]

1. I don't want you to pray for my soul.
2. You have every right to influence me, but I make the final decision on who I am.
3. There are only seven official sins, that's my way of seeing it.
4. You're breaking Mathew 22:37-39 (Love thy neighbour)
5. You're slightly committing Wrath and slightly committing Envy.
6.You keep going off topic.
7. Levitticus and John have committed Pride and Envy. Also, for people who claim to be sent by God, they sound too arrogant for it. I wouldn't trust them.

The entire bible tells you of sins. Secondly. I do not hate homosexuals. I hate the act of homosexuality. Big difference. Where am I committing wrath? By telling them what is awaiting for them.

No you hate homosexuals, you are a homophobe. Don't dance around the issue and pretend that you're not. You are telling people to go to hell because you don't like them.

[Drongonia]

Marriage is a Juedo-Christian tradition that has been between a man and a woman for as long as it has been practiced. Regardless of what progressives think, religious people have a right to maintain their religion how they see fit, and religious leaders/people do NOT have to agree with your homosexuality, much less recognize it in a holy ceremony of their faith.

Gay marriage is wrong, most gays aren't religious anyway so get a damn civil union and act like the rest of us.

[Heloin]

Marriage is a Juedo-Christian tradition that has been between a man and a woman for as long as it has been practiced. Regardless of what progressives think, religious people have a right to maintain their religion how they see fit, and religious leaders/people do NOT have to agree with your homosexuality, much less recognize it in a holy ceremony of their faith.

Gay marriage is wrong, most gays aren't religious anyway so get a damn civil union and act like the rest of us.

And then how does marriage exist in other religions chief?

[The Xenopolis Confederation]

Marriage is a Juedo-Christian tradition that has been between a man and a woman for as long as it has been practiced. Regardless of what progressives think, religious people have a right to maintain their religion how they see fit, and religious leaders/people do NOT have to agree with your homosexuality, much less recognize it in a holy ceremony of their faith.

Gay marriage is wrong, most gays aren't religious anyway so get a damn civil union and act like the rest of us.

Marriage is not an exclusively Judeo-Christian tradition. If it was, should atheists and other non-Christians be allowed to marry?

[Drongonia]

Marriage is a Juedo-Christian tradition that has been between a man and a woman for as long as it has been practiced. Regardless of what progressives think, religious people have a right to maintain their religion how they see fit, and religious leaders/people do NOT have to agree with your homosexuality, much less recognize it in a holy ceremony of their faith.

Gay marriage is wrong, most gays aren't religious anyway so get a damn civil union and act like the rest of us.

And then how does marriage exist in other religions chief?

I'm talking about it in the Western sense. Most Asian, Arab and African cultures and religions frown upon homosexuality. Islam is the single best example of this.

[The Free Joy State]

Marriage is a Juedo-Christian tradition that has been between a man and a woman for as long as it has been practiced. Regardless of what progressives think, religious people have a right to maintain their religion how they see fit, and religious leaders/people do NOT have to agree with your homosexuality, much less recognize it in a holy ceremony of their faith.

Gay marriage is wrong, most gays aren't religious anyway so get a damn civil union and act like the rest of us.

It's not for you to tell LGBT-affirming religious denominations (including Christian and Jewish ones) that they are not free to do so, including supporting and blessing LGBT marriages if they wish to (and some do).

You are free to hold your private, personal, and individual religious beliefs. But those beliefs cannot impact on other people's legal freedoms.

[Drongonia]

Marriage is a Juedo-Christian tradition that has been between a man and a woman for as long as it has been practiced. Regardless of what progressives think, religious people have a right to maintain their religion how they see fit, and religious leaders/people do NOT have to agree with your homosexuality, much less recognize it in a holy ceremony of their faith.

Gay marriage is wrong, most gays aren't religious anyway so get a damn civil union and act like the rest of us.

It's not for you to tell LGBT-affirming religious denominations (including Christian and Jewish ones) that they are not free to do so, including supporting and blessing LGBT marriages if they wish to (and some do).

You are free to hold your private, personal, and individual religious beliefs. But those beliefs cannot impact on other people's legal freedoms.

Fair enough but...

I never said they couldn't get married, and I never said that the ministers etc couldn't recognise their wedding. I'm just saying anyone who wants to remain traditional in their religious beliefs should be able to, and they shouldn't have to recognize anyone they don't want to.I agree with you about religious beliefs, and personally I don't think religion should even be involved in laws at all, apart from laws affirming religious freedom.

[Heloin]

And then how does marriage exist in other religions chief?

I'm talking about it in the Western sense. Most Asian, Arab and African cultures and religions frown upon homosexuality. Islam is the single best example of this.

In what western sense? Because marriage as a concept is very old, unless you're suggesting Romans didn't marry. Islam is part of the Abrahamic faiths along with Judaism and Christianity. And you clearly don't know anything about any African traditional faiths if you think they have negative attitudes towards homosexuality.

[Jakker]

Hahahah human right since when the 50s you sjws are funny first this now you you wanna legalise pedophilia too is that a right too cuz the reasonable people dont think so.

*** Warned for Trolling ***

[Mystic Warriors]

Marriage is a Juedo-Christian tradition that has been between a man and a woman for as long as it has been practiced. Regardless of what progressives think, religious people have a right to maintain their religion how they see fit, and religious leaders/people do NOT have to agree with your homosexuality, much less recognize it in a holy ceremony of their faith.

Gay marriage is wrong, most gays aren't religious anyway so get a damn civil union and act like the rest of us.

Literally nothing you said is correct.

[Drongonia]

I'm talking about it in the Western sense. Most Asian, Arab and African cultures and religions frown upon homosexuality. Islam is the single best example of this.

In what western sense? Because marriage as a concept is very old, unless you're suggesting Romans didn't marry. Islam is part of the Abrahamic faiths along with Judaism and Christianity. And you clearly don't know anything about any African traditional faiths if you think they have negative attitudes towards homosexuality.

You know what, apart from some South African family I do have little knowledge of African attitudes to that kind of thing. Seeing as you're a proud Zimbabwean, what would be your... I guess overview of how traditional African culture views homosexuality? I'm actually interested to learn as I was always told by aforementioned family that it wasn't liked.