What is your opinion on LGBT+ marriage?

[Jack Thomas Lang]

Jesus already died for EVERYONES sin, in the most painful way possible, so who are we to pass judgement?
Plus the Key tenant ofnyhe commandments was to love your enemies.

You can point out the mistakes of your family and friends without loving them less. If anything, caring about what they do is a sign of love.

Silently standing by while a close relative wastes away to drugs because you "love" them is... folly. Not trying to suggest that homosexuality is anywhere comparable to overuse of drugs of course.

[The Xenopolis Confederation]

Jesus already died for EVERYONES sin, in the most painful way possible, so who are we to pass judgement?
Plus the Key tenant ofnyhe commandments was to love your enemies.

You can point out the mistakes of your family and friends without loving them less. If anything, caring about what they do is a sign of love.

Silently standing by while a close relative wastes away to drugs because you "love" them is... folly. Not trying to suggest that homosexuality is anywhere comparable to overuse of drugs of course.

Indeed, but the question is, what is wrong with homosexuality or homosexual intercourse to begin with?

[New haven america]

Stop using an argument that's been used to justify centuries of abuse and persecution, and I might consider it.

1. I'm not. My argument was not that we should condemn or punish sinners, but that we should point out sin with the understanding that we are all sinners.

2. I can point out rape and murder with condemning or judging the perpetrator, since I have the power (and moral authority) to do neither.

3. It is very much in the spirit of the Golden Rule. I point out the sins of others, because I want to be treated much the same. I want to become a better person, and I can only do that if people reveal to me my mistakes.

1. You say it wasn't, thousands of years of evidence proves otherwise, so I'm more inclined to believe the thousands of years of evidence
2. Yes, because rape and murder are bad and should be stamped out. Homosexuality on the other hand, isn't bad, and thus should be left alone
3. And I'm pointing out that you're supporting an idea that has lead to centuries of abuse and persecution of your fellow humans. You're welcome, my fee for this is $150.

[New haven america]

You can point out the mistakes of your family and friends without loving them less. If anything, caring about what they do is a sign of love.

Silently standing by while a close relative wastes away to drugs because you "love" them is... folly. Not trying to suggest that homosexuality is anywhere comparable to overuse of drugs of course.

Indeed, but the question is, what is wrong with homosexuality or homosexual intercourse to begin with?

Well in the West the Israeli's didn't like it for... some reason, so had their Torah say it was bad. Then a couple hundred years later Jesus came around and said "Hey guys, don't follow the rules of the Torah" and everyone either just ignored him or cherrypicked what they liked and didn't, with Paul writing 1 Corinthians saying it was icky, and then it just kinda stuck for 2000 something years.

So, to answer your question, it's... icky... I guess.

[Calinescu]

Jesus already died for EVERYONES sin, in the most painful way possible, so who are we to pass judgement?
Plus the Key tenant ofnyhe commandments was to love your enemies.

You can point out the mistakes of your family and friends without loving them less. If anything, caring about what they do is a sign of love.

Silently standing by while a close relative wastes away to drugs because you "love" them is... folly. Not trying to suggest that homosexuality is anywhere comparable to overuse of drugs of course.

Stay on topic and dont assume my words
For God so loved the world he gave them his only begotten son

The bible says no exceptions so dont assume you know Gods way, for he is mysterious

[Jack Thomas Lang]

1. You say it wasn't, thousands of years of evidence proves otherwise, so I'm more inclined to believe the thousands of years of evidence
2. Yes, because rape and murder are bad and should be stamped out. Homosexuality on the other hand, isn't bad, and thus should be left alone

I think its time to show your hand. What evidence do you have exactly?

You're misunderstanding the point of my comparison. Humans can point out things that are wrong (never-mind what is wrong) without judging or condemning someone.

[New haven america]

1. You say it wasn't, thousands of years of evidence proves otherwise, so I'm more inclined to believe the thousands of years of evidence
2. Yes, because rape and murder are bad and should be stamped out. Homosexuality on the other hand, isn't bad, and thus should be left alone

1. I think its time to show your hand. What evidence do you have exactly?

You're misunderstanding the point of my comparison. Humans can point out things that are wrong (never-mind what is wrong) without judging or condemning someone.

1. What hand? Is thousands of years of church doctrine saying homosexuality is bad and pretty much every Christian country outlawing it until the past 70 years a secret or something?

[Jack Thomas Lang]

You can point out the mistakes of your family and friends without loving them less. If anything, caring about what they do is a sign of love.

Silently standing by while a close relative wastes away to drugs because you "love" them is... folly. Not trying to suggest that homosexuality is anywhere comparable to overuse of drugs of course.

Stay on topic and dont assume my words
For God so loved the world he gave them his only begotten son

The bible says no exceptions so dont assume you know Gods way, for he is mysterious

I am on topic, only that I agree with most of what you said. I disagree however with your implication that you cannot point out someone's sins and love them. You clearly can.

[Jack Thomas Lang]

What hand? Is thousands of years of church doctrine saying homosexuality is bad and pretty much every Christian country outlawing it until the past 70 years a secret or something?

No, that the belief that we should point out sin caused the outlawing of Homosexuality. Otherwise you've been strawmanning my argument the whole time.

[New haven america]

What hand? Is thousands of years of church doctrine saying homosexuality is bad and pretty much every Christian country outlawing it until the past 70 years a secret or something?

No, that the belief that we should point out sin caused the outlawing of Homosexuality. Otherwise you've been strawmanning my argument the whole time.

No, that thought process has definitely been a part of it, as "Judge/Punish the sin, not the sinner."

Say something that sounds nice and helpful, and then turn its meaning on its head and do fucked up shit in the name of saving them. Yes, because this hasn't been a 2000 year old trend.

[Jack Thomas Lang]

No, that thought process has definitely been a part of it, as "Judge/Punish the sin, not the sinner."

Say something that sounds nice and helpful, and then turn its meaning on its head and do fucked up shit in the name of saving them. Yes, because this hasn't been a 2000 year old trend.

My argument is not "Judge/Punish the sin, not the sinner", since that is literally impossible. Any punishment of the sin must invariably punish the sinner.

[New haven america]

No, that thought process has definitely been a part of it, as "Judge/Punish the sin, not the sinner."

Say something that sounds nice and helpful, and then turn its meaning on its head and do fucked up shit in the name of saving them. Yes, because this hasn't been a 2000 year old trend.

My argument is not "Judge/Punish the sin, not the sinner", since that is literally impossible. Any punishment of the sin must invariably punish the sinner.

Which makes it an oxymoron that's been used for thousands of years to persecute and abuse people, just as your argument as.

See? Are you getting it now?

[Jack Thomas Lang]

Which makes it an oxymoron that's been used for thousands of years to persecute and abuse people, just as your argument as.

See? Are you getting it now?

You still haven't proven that my argument has been used to justify persecution, other than mentioning "Punish the sin, not the sinner" which isn't my argument at all.

[New haven america]

Which makes it an oxymoron that's been used for thousands of years to persecute and abuse people, just as your argument as.

See? Are you getting it now?

You still haven't proven that my argument has been used to justify persecution, other than mentioning "Punish the sin, not the sinner" which isn't my argument at all.

Except I have, because those 2 statements are the exact same thing, just worded differently.

[Jack Thomas Lang]

Except I have, because those 2 statements are the exact same thing, just worded differently.

What?

In what world does pointing out sin mean the exact same as punishing sin? Punishing involves inflicting a penalty, which of course could only be inflicted on sinners. Pointing out something means drawing attention to it, with the stated goal of helping someone to improve in this case. For example, I play tabletop RPGs. Sometimes I play it with "That Guy" who can occasionally act obnoxiously and ruin the fun for others. I talk to them about their behaviour and point out how it makes others uncomfortable. 9/10 they take the discussion to heart and improve, becoming a valued addition to the table.

[Totally Not OEP]

I'm ardently opposed to it, as I see it as a degenerate practice that is an affront to my faith. With this in mind, It should be made illegal and the interest groups supporting it should be disbanded with expressions of support suppressed likewise. For particularly troublesome elements, and undoubtedly such will exist, they will most likely have to be suppressed by military force and imprisoned; I have no desire to create martyrs. We live in an age where the NSA literally taps into most phones and people who are in support of such can easily be discerned by a simple review of their social media. That's actually a chief irony of the freedom of speech provided by the Internet, in that it does allow for it but also creates an easily found trail that can be utilized, as suggested here, but I digress.

[The Free Joy State]

What hand? Is thousands of years of church doctrine saying homosexuality is bad and pretty much every Christian country outlawing it until the past 70 years a secret or something?

No, that the belief that we should point out sin caused the outlawing of Homosexuality. Otherwise you've been strawmanning my argument the whole time.

Like the Uganda Anti-Homosexuality Bill of 2014 -- a (now declared invalid) bill that sentenced people to death for being LGBT+?

Or Henry VIII 1533 Act, which condemned homosexual people to death, using the authority of his "councils spiritual and temporal"? An act later expanded on in the Criminal Law Amendment Act that sent Oscar Wilde to prison (an act stricken now)?

How about the 72 countries where, due to remaining feelings about it being "icky", falling in love with a member of the same sex is a crime?

Or all those countries where parents can pressurise minors into enduring unsafe and ineffective conversion therapy?

Face it, people pointing out what they perceive as "sin" has led to some horrendous acts.

[The Xenopolis Confederation]

I'm ardently opposed to it, as I see it as a degenerate practice that is an affront to my faith. With this in mind, It should be made illegal and the interest groups supporting it should be disbanded with expressions of support suppressed likewise. For particularly troublesome elements, and undoubtedly such will exist, they will most likely have to be suppressed by military force and imprisoned; I have no desire to create martyrs. We live in an age where the NSA literally taps into most phones and people who are in support of such can easily be discerned by a simple review of their social media. That's actually a chief irony of the freedom of speech provided by the Internet, in that it does allow for it but also creates an easily found trail that can be utilized, as suggested here, but I digress.

Many who share your faith would see the actions you're advocating here as an affront to their faith.

[Jack Thomas Lang]

Like the Uganda Anti-Homosexuality Bill of 2014 -- a (now declared invalid) bill that sentenced people to death for being LGBT+?

Or Henry VIII 1533 Act, which condemned homosexual people to death, using the authority of his "councils spiritual and temporal"? An act later expanded on in the Criminal Law Amendment Act that sent Oscar Wilde to prison (an act stricken now)?

How about the 72 countries where, due to remaining feelings about it being "icky", falling in love with a member of the same sex is a crime?

Or all those countries where parents can pressurise minors into enduring unsafe and ineffective conversion therapy?

Face it, people pointing out what they perceive as "sin" has led to some horrendous acts.

All the examples you have listed involve people or governments punishing homosexuality, quite ruthlessly too. It's ridiculous that I have to say once more that punishing sin and pointing it out are not the same thing by any stretch of the English language.

[Totally Not OEP]

I'm ardently opposed to it, as I see it as a degenerate practice that is an affront to my faith. With this in mind, It should be made illegal and the interest groups supporting it should be disbanded with expressions of support suppressed likewise. For particularly troublesome elements, and undoubtedly such will exist, they will most likely have to be suppressed by military force and imprisoned; I have no desire to create martyrs. We live in an age where the NSA literally taps into most phones and people who are in support of such can easily be discerned by a simple review of their social media. That's actually a chief irony of the freedom of speech provided by the Internet, in that it does allow for it but also creates an easily found trail that can be utilized, as suggested here, but I digress.

Many who share your faith would see the actions you're advocating here as an affront to their faith.

I'm sure they do, that's why the concept of Heresy has existed as a Christian doctrine for quite sometime.

[The Xenopolis Confederation]

Many who share your faith would see the actions you're advocating here as an affront to their faith.

I'm sure they do, that's why the concept of Heresy has existed as a Christian doctrine for quite sometime.

Yes, but who's the heretic? You or the Christians who think you're insane? Sorry, but to be honest, a faith which considers the former a heretic seems a lot better than a faith which considers the latter a heretic.

[Totally Not OEP]

I'm sure they do, that's why the concept of Heresy has existed as a Christian doctrine for quite sometime.

Yes, but who's the heretic? You or the Christians who think you're insane? Sorry, but to be honest, a faith which considers the former a heretic seems a lot better than a faith which considers the latter a heretic.

The Christians who are engaged in believing a practice directly called an abomination by their Holy Book and laid out as such over millennia by Church councils and leaders is fine.

[The Xenopolis Confederation]

Yes, but who's the heretic? You or the Christians who think you're insane? Sorry, but to be honest, a faith which considers the former a heretic seems a lot better than a faith which considers the latter a heretic.

The Christians who are engaged in believing a practice directly called an abomination by their Holy Book and laid out as such over millennia by Church councils and leaders is fine.

I know it's called an abomination by Leviticus. Problem is, it was called an abomination for no reason. You can be a Christian and still disagree with the retarded aspects of that faith.

[Clarkstan]

I'm against same-sex marriages, but I'm against their discrimination at work.

[Totally Not OEP]

The Christians who are engaged in believing a practice directly called an abomination by their Holy Book and laid out as such over millennia by Church councils and leaders is fine.

I know it's called an abomination by Leviticus. Problem is, it was called an abomination for no reason. You can be a Christian and still disagree with the retarded aspects of that faith.

No, you cannot be and any objective thinking on this matter would reveal such. You state that it was called an abomination for no reason; that's not true, as it's called an abomination to God and that is reason enough alone. It is a perversion to the natural order of which he created, so as to support it is to against the very deity of their faith. One you've reached that, as well as literally calling the cornerstone of your faith retarded, it's clear you're no Christian.