What is your opinion on LGBT+ marriage?

[Sethtekia]

Typical non bible readers. But that is okay. Read the bible. Repent of your sin. And do not sin no more. You will stumble. You will fall because this life is a battle of flesh and spirit. Let God fight the spiritual battles. And You fight your flesh. Flesh wants sin. It desires evilness. Read your bibles I beg of you.

[Servilis]

Typical non bible readers. But that is okay. Read the bible. Repent of your sin. And do not sin no more. You will stumble. You will fall because this life is a battle of flesh and spirit. Let God fight the spiritual battles. And You fight your flesh. Flesh wants sin. It desires evilness. Read your bibles I beg of you.

no. I don't like bibles.
I've seen them as hypocritical, wrongly-interpreted to prove a false point, etc.

[Sethtekia]

I am not spitting in his face by following Old Testament law. Christ did not abolish it. And in the New Testament it does state Submissive and Active Homosexuals will not enter Heaven.

Christ came to fulfill the law. Not change it.

[New haven america]

Typical non bible readers. But that is okay. Read the bible. Repent of your sin. And do not sin no more. You will stumble. You will fall because this life is a battle of flesh and spirit. Let God fight the spiritual battles. And You fight your flesh. Flesh wants sin. It desires evilness. Read your bibles I beg of you.

Eh, eh, eh.

No, do not stray from the topic. We're not talking about LGBT marriage, get back on topic, now.

[Servilis]

Typical non bible readers. But that is okay. Read the bible. Repent of your sin. And do not sin no more. You will stumble. You will fall because this life is a battle of flesh and spirit. Let God fight the spiritual battles. And You fight your flesh. Flesh wants sin. It desires evilness. Read your bibles I beg of you.

Eh, eh, eh.

No, do not stray from the topic. We're not talking about LGBT marriage, get back on topic, now.

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[New haven america]

I am not spitting in his face by following Old Testament lae. Christ did not abolish it. And in the New Testament it does stste Submissive and Active Homosexuals will not enter Heaven.

Christ came to fulfill the law. Not change it.

Yes, he did.

That's kinda what that whole being nailed to a cross and coming back in 3 days business as all about.

[Sethtekia]

Typical non bible readers. But that is okay. Read the bible. Repent of your sin. And do not sin no more. You will stumble. You will fall because this life is a battle of flesh and spirit. Let God fight the spiritual battles. And You fight your flesh. Flesh wants sin. It desires evilness. Read your bibles I beg of you.

Eh, eh, eh.

No, do not stray from the topic. We're not talking about LGBT marriage, get back on topic, now.

All this was said. To state. LGBT marriage is depraved sin. You cannot change my mind. And you can keep supporting this disgusting sin by justifying it. I will pray for your soul.

[New haven america]

Eh, eh, eh.

No, do not stray from the topic. We're not talking about LGBT marriage, get back on topic, now.

All this was said. To state. 1. LGBT marriage is depraved sin. You cannot change my mind. And you can keep supporting this disgusting sin by justifying it. 2. I will pray for your soul.

1. Why?
2. Yes, pray for the person who knows more about the religion than you do

[The Free Joy State]

I'm bi, so of course i support it. Love is love, no matter what. Even though i tolerate, and to a extent, respect them. There is no evidence that you can turn gay, or that gay people are created by the devil. That's just plain wrong. Fanatic Christians are trying to supress marriage by only making it so that only heterosexuals can marry. No offensive to heteros, but this is a terrible thing to do. Like i said before, love is love, no matter what. Nothing those Fanatics can do will ever change that. EVER.

Leviticus 18:22 states A man shall not lie with another man as if he is a woman. It is an Abomination.

Other abominations in Leviticus include eating shellfish and wearing mixed fabrics.

It's actually thought "abomination" is a misunderstanding of "toevah", which does not transmit moral condemnation but rather "ritual uncleanness";

There is widespread agreement among Hebrew scholars that the word "toevah" as used in Leviticus is not, in fact, a moral term; instead, it is a cultic term which indicates "ritual uncleanness". Any action that is said to be "toevah" is an action which requires a person to engage in ritual purification before they may come to worship. Sometimes, the term "toevah" can be used in the Bible to refer simply to sinful behaviour in general, but in the case of the text in question, scholars agree that ritual uncleanness is implied.

1 Corinthians 6: 9 - 10 KJV

Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind,

10 Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God.

It's actually thought that this is a mistranslation from the Greek . μαλακός means "soft", but here is translated as "effeminate". Meanwhile, "abusers of themselves with mankind" comes from St. Paul combining two Greek words into one: “male” (ἄρσην) and “bed” (κοίτης).

But, when you combine two words, it doesn't leave the meaning unchanged (for example a "flea" is a small insect, a "bag" is an accessory in which one carries belongings, a "fleabag" in an unkempt or irritating person -- not a bag full of fleas).

This verse is most likely referring to the rampant shrine prostitution -- which referred to enforced sexual acts and a form of the idolatry mentioned in the verse -- and not consensual relationships, and the uncertainty surrounding the original Greek leaves it open to interpretation. From the link:

Unfortunately, most modern English translations give the appearance of absolute certainty when it comes to translating μαλακός and ἀρσενοκοίτης, making it seem as if it’s a foregone conclusion that Paul is explicitly condemning homosexuality. But scholars continue to debate the precise meanings of these words in these verses and, especially in the case of ἀρσενοκοίτης, it seems that we’ll never know for sure exactly what Paul meant. Theories abound, but certainty eludes us.

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The NIV all too conveniently ignores the scholarly uncertainty about these words, making it seem as if the definitions of μαλακός and ἀρσενοκοίτης are clearly referring to homosexuality, a conclusion that is, at best, dubious. Buoyed by agenda-driven translations such as the NIV and ESV, many Christians continue to wield an unfounded certainty about the meaning of these verses in order to condemn and marginalize LGBT people.

If St. Paul wanted to clearly condemn homosexuality, Ancient Greek did have less vague terminology he could have used.

[Jack Thomas Lang]

Yes, there 100% is.

Judging and condemning people isn't a Christians job, it is God and Jesus' job, not yours, stop pretending it is.

You're misinterpreting my argument. Pointing out sin and trying to help others is not the same as judging someone to be unworthy of being saved or condemned to hell. And in regards to Luke 6:41-42, Jesus finishes the parable by saying that "You hypocrite, first take the plank out of your eye, and then you will see clearly to remove the speck from your brother’s eye." Nowhere does he say that it is impossible to help others, only that one must first admit their own sin and help themselves.

[Sethtekia]

All this was said. To state. 1. LGBT marriage is depraved sin. You cannot change my mind. And you can keep supporting this disgusting sin by justifying it. 2. I will pray for your soul.

1. Why?
2. Yes, pray for the person who knows more about the religion than you do

You do not know more about my religion then me. You have proven you clearly do not. As you went for the low blows to try to throw what I said out of the water.

You know todays society it is impossible to not wear mix thread. No matter how hard you try. Work uniforms never cater
Shellfish pork argument. Acts:10 -11 - 13.
Your basic in your attacks. But continue your life. Since You will never convince me. And I won't to you. But it doesnt change the fact. Homosexuality and LBGT marriage is not only sin. But disgusting.

[New haven america]

Yes, there 100% is.

Judging and condemning people isn't a Christians job, it is God and Jesus' job, not yours, stop pretending it is.

You're misinterpreting my argument. Pointing out sin and trying to help others is not the same as judging someone to be unworthy of being saved or condemned to hell. And in regards to Luke 6:41-42, Jesus finishes the parable by saying that "You hypocrite, first take the plank out of your eye, and then you will see clearly to remove the speck from your brother’s eye." Nowhere does he say that it is impossible to help others, only that one must first admit their own sin and help themselves.

Nope, because your argument has been used countless times to continue the persecution and abuse of fellow humans while using religion as a shield against shitty behavior like the said abuse.

[Vassenor]

Typical non bible readers. But that is okay. Read the bible. Repent of your sin. And do not sin no more. You will stumble. You will fall because this life is a battle of flesh and spirit. Let God fight the spiritual battles. And You fight your flesh. Flesh wants sin. It desires evilness. Read your bibles I beg of you.

So when are you going to start picketing tattoo parlours?

[Servilis]

Eh, eh, eh.

No, do not stray from the topic. We're not talking about LGBT marriage, get back on topic, now.

All this was said. To state. LGBT marriage is depraved sin. You cannot change my mind. And you can keep supporting this disgusting sin by justifying it. I will pray for your soul.

1. I don't want you to pray for my soul.
2. You have every right to influence me, but I make the final decision on who I am.
3. There are only seven official sins, that's my way of seeing it.
4. You're breaking Mathew 22:37-39 (Love thy neighbour)
5. You're slightly committing Wrath and slightly committing Envy.
6.You keep going off topic.
7. Levitticus and John have committed Pride and Envy. Also, for people who claim to be sent by God, they sound too arrogant for it. I wouldn't trust them.

[Jack Thomas Lang]

Nope, because your argument has been used countless times to continue the persecution and abuse of fellow humans while using religion as a shield against shitty behavior like the said abuse.

Oh, so its burning straw then.

If you're not interested in debating in good faith, you could have said so.

[New haven america]

Typical non bible readers. But that is okay. Read the bible. Repent of your sin. And do not sin no more. You will stumble. You will fall because this life is a battle of flesh and spirit. Let God fight the spiritual battles. And You fight your flesh. Flesh wants sin. It desires evilness. Read your bibles I beg of you.

So when are you going to start picketing tattoo parlours?

It's generally a good strategy not to get too off topic with them, because they use that to take control of the conversation. Instead call them out when they try moving it.

I'm trying to limit my allowance as much as possible, and I suggest you and other follow suit.

[Calinescu]

Its not our place to judge its Gods, so stop being so nasty all the time its unchristian an leave it to God

[New haven america]

1. Why?
2. Yes, pray for the person who knows more about the religion than you do

1. You do not know more about my religion then me. You have proven you clearly do not. As you went for the low blows to try to throw what I said out of the water.

2. You know todays society it is impossible to not wear mix thread. No matter how hard you try. Work uniforms never cater
3. Shellfish pork argument. Acts:10 -11 - 13.
4. Your basic in your attacks. But continue your life. Since You will never convince me. And I won't to you. But it doesnt change the fact. Homosexuality and LBGT marriage is not only sin. But disgusting.

1. NO U
2. That's not the topic
3. That's not the topic
4. Why is it disgusting?

[New haven america]

Nope, because your argument has been used countless times to continue the persecution and abuse of fellow humans while using religion as a shield against shitty behavior like the said abuse.

Oh, so its burning straw then.

If you're not interested in debating in good faith, you could have said so.

Stop using an argument that's been used to justify centuries of abuse and persecution, then I might consider it.

[Sethtekia]

All this was said. To state. LGBT marriage is depraved sin. You cannot change my mind. And you can keep supporting this disgusting sin by justifying it. I will pray for your soul.

1. I don't want you to pray for my soul.
2. You have every right to influence me, but I make the final decision on who I am.
3. There are only seven official sins, that's my way of seeing it.
4. You're breaking Mathew 22:37-39 (Love thy neighbour)
5. You're slightly committing Wrath and slightly committing Envy.
6.You keep going off topic.
7. Levitticus and John have committed Pride and Envy. Also, for people who claim to be sent by God, they sound too arrogant for it. I wouldn't trust them.

The entire bible tells you of sins. Secondly. I do not hate homosexuals. I hate the act of homosexuality. Big difference. Where am I committing wrath? By telling them what is awaiting for them.

[Servilis]

1. Why?
2. Yes, pray for the person who knows more about the religion than you do

You do not know more about my religion then me. You have proven you clearly do not. As you went for the low blows to try to throw what I said out of the water.

You know todays society it is impossible to not wear mix thread. No matter how hard you try. Work uniforms never cater
Shellfish pork argument. Acts:10 -11 - 13.
Your basic in your attacks. But continue your life. Since You will never convince me. And I won't to you. But it doesnt change the fact. Homosexuality and LBGT marriage is not only sin. But disgusting.

Funnily enough, the fact that you find it disgusting is just immature.
And no, you don't know more about religion than anyone else.
And if you want to prove it, please show us a perfect degree/major/PhD/etc. in Theology.
We're waiting.

[Servilis]

1. I don't want you to pray for my soul.
2. You have every right to influence me, but I make the final decision on who I am.
3. There are only seven official sins, that's my way of seeing it.
4. You're breaking Mathew 22:37-39 (Love thy neighbour)
5. You're slightly committing Wrath and slightly committing Envy.
6.You keep going off topic.
7. Levitticus and John have committed Pride and Envy. Also, for people who claim to be sent by God, they sound too arrogant for it. I wouldn't trust them.

The entire bible tells you of sins. Secondly. I do not hate homosexuals. I hate the act of homosexuality. Big difference. Where am I committing wrath? By telling them what is awaiting for them.

To me the act of homosexuality is being homosexual, therefore, you hate us. You cannot excuse your bigotry by analyzing language like the guy in NCIS : Hawaii who goes "Oh I'm not stealing, stealing is taking a belonging from someone with the intent of hurting them in a certain way. I was not doing that, I was technically borrowing it."
And also, you just committed pride, congrats Levitticus.

Homosexuality is not wrong, people just love each other, you can't decide who should love who, if you think you can, you're an incel.

[Jack Thomas Lang]

Stop using an argument that's been used to justify centuries of abuse and persecution, and I might consider it.

I'm not. My argument was not that we should condemn or punish sinners, but that we should point out sin with the understanding that we are all sinners.

I can point out rape and murder with condemning or judging the perpetrator, since I have the power (and moral authority) to do neither.

It is very much in the spirit of the Golden Rule. I point out the sins of others, because I want to be treated much the same. I want to become a better person, and I can only do that if people reveal to me my mistakes.

[Calinescu]

Stop using an argument that's been used to justify centuries of abuse and persecution, and I might consider it.

I'm not. My argument was not that we should condemn or punish sinners, but that we should point out sin with the understanding that we are all sinners.

I can point out rape and murder with condemning or judging the perpetrator, since I have the power (and moral authority) to do neither.

Jesus already died for EVERYONES sin, in the most painful way possible, so who are we to pass judgement?
Plus the Key tenant of the commandments was to love your enemies.

[Servilis]

Stop using an argument that's been used to justify centuries of abuse and persecution, and I might consider it.

I'm not. My argument was not that we should condemn or punish sinners, but that we should point out sin with the understanding that we are all sinners.

I can point out rape and murder with condemning or judging the perpetrator, since I have the power (and moral authority) to do neither.

Well yeah, everyone is a sinner.
I've lied, I used to be a kleptomaniac while in pre-school, I've committed wrath multiple times. I've committed envy thousands of times.
I've committed lust.
But human biology told me to be lustful.
Social Interaction gets nasty, so I want to serve some karma to asshats.
I've beaten up people and have been beaten up.
I'm not a klepto anymore, but things have also been stolen from me.
I've lied, but so have others.

And yes, I do deserve to get punished for the things here that are illegal, wrong, etc.


Homosexuality and Transexuality is not one of those things.
Because they are not wrong.
Being LGBT is not wrong, etc.

Eitherway, if a religion shits on what I am, I intend to leave it.