What is your opinion on LGBT+ marriage?

[Kannap]

The discussion we were having was informing you that the Constitution - the 14th Amendment, Equal Protection Clause - actually does assure marriage is a civil right, including same-sex marriage - your attempt to change the conversation to baking cakes is irrelevant to the points I was making.

It was a relevant example you wish not to address because it makes others who espouse your view are guilty of something, thus you jump to dismiss anything that does not fit that view, and even morph your view to never allow any way for me to display my reasoning, you are still assuming a document written in the 1860's was talking about what it was talking about, PLUS whatever you want it to talk about- including LGBT stuff, but It does not, it was written then to mean what it says, not what you think what it says means in today's over-politicized context. I have not been shown a good reason to change my stance, only reasons that you will never allow me to be taken seriously.

I don't know why you continue to insist I believe the Constitution says whatever I want it to say - You've been spewing nonsense and I've got a grocery list of Supreme Court rulings that say a variety of things are protected constitutionally because the Constitution is capable of protecting things without saying expressly "_______ is safe"

[Christenmark]

"Professing themselves to be wise, they became true fools"

You can't just take quotes from the Bible and use them against people You have to provide context too.

Also, do you seriously think everything in the Bible is correct?

I suggest you do the same thing hypocrite

[Telconi]

As long as homosexuals aren't trying to get married at churches, I do not care.

There are churches that allow same sex marriage...

Yeah but AFAIK the 14th amendment doesn't protect a church from doctrinal disagreement.

[Nanatsu no Tsuki]

As long as homosexuals aren't trying to get married at churches, I do not care.

There are churches that allow same sex marriage...

Episcopal I think are some of them.

But it should be said that if a church doesn’t want to marry a same sex couple, it’s in their right too. But I don’t think same sex couples are usually wanting to force a church to marry them either way.

[Munkcestrian Republic]

There are churches that allow same sex marriage...

those are called heretical

What denomination do you belong to?

[Kannap]

I'm bi, so of course i support it. Love is love, no matter what. Even though i tolerate, and to a extent, respect them. There is no evidence that you can turn gay, or that gay people are created by the devil. That's just plain wrong. Fanatic Christians are trying to supress marriage by only making it so that only heterosexuals can marry. No offensive to heteros, but this is a terrible thing to do. Like i said before, love is love, no matter what. Nothing those Fanatics can do will ever change that. EVER.

As long as homosexuals aren't trying to get married at churches, I do not care. Do whatever you want if you're an adult, but don't try to force it on anyone else.

-A Christian

Why can't I get married in a church?

-A Christian

[The New California Republic]

I am only doing this because I am the only one with enough brain cells left in my age group where I live to even care about this kind of stuff, and thus I never am able to express and grow my ideas with their input as they have no input nor care to give. I enjoy this here because I can understand your position - without having to agree to it, sure - while rationalizing my own. but I feel I am not being afforded the same courtesy and I am alright if you do not, but I am sad that I won't get the full value of this as a dialogue.

Oh for fuck's sake, another guy playing the victim. We only just got rid of one of those less than 24 hours ago...

There are churches that allow same sex marriage...

those are called heretical

No, I think they are called churches...

[Badb Catha]

Homosexual marriage is unrecognized by the Church and God, therefor I can only support it in the secular sense.

[Nanatsu no Tsuki]

I am only doing this because I am the only one with enough brain cells left in my age group where I live to even care about this kind of stuff, and thus I never am able to express and grow my ideas with their input as they have no input nor care to give. I enjoy this here because I can understand your position - without having to agree to it, sure - while rationalizing my own. but I feel I am not being afforded the same courtesy and I am alright if you do not, but I am sad that I won't get the full value of this as a dialogue.

You’re entitled to your own opinion, of course. I just don’t agree with you. And that’s fair.

[Kannap]

There are churches that allow same sex marriage...

those are called heretical

[Citation needed]

[Munkcestrian Republic]

You can't just take quotes from the Bible and use them against people You have to provide context too.

Also, do you seriously think everything in the Bible is correct?

I suggest you do the same thing hypocrite

I've seen people claim it's about philosophers, I've seen people claim it's about Gnostics. While I am sympathetic to Gnosticism, I'm not however an outright Gnostic. So it doesn't really apply to me - assuming that interpretation of Romans 1:22 is correct, of course.

[Kannap]

I am only doing this because I am the only one with enough brain cells left in my age group where I live to even care about this kind of stuff, and thus I never am able to express and grow my ideas with their input as they have no input nor care to give. I enjoy this here because I can understand your position - without having to agree to it, sure - while rationalizing my own. but I feel I am not being afforded the same courtesy and I am alright if you do not, but I am sad that I won't get the full value of this as a dialogue.

I mean, you're not affording me the courtesy you claim I'm not affording you - Guess its a two way street.

[Christenmark]

"Professing themselves to be wise, they became true fools"

You can't just take quotes from the Bible and use them against people You have to provide context too.

Also, do you seriously think everything in the Bible is correct?

it is the inspired inherent word of god, and the accumulated knowledge of many millennia of human civilization, you will have to prove your point to me before I take you for granted, when against this, you nor I could ever be in a position to judge the highest THE builder. you are a fool to assume that you are wiser than those of the past simply because it is now and that was then

[Yusseria]

I can't really muster myself to care if people feel like getting their gay on.

[The New California Republic]

I suggest you do the same thing hypocrite

Oh lay off with ad hominems.

[Munkcestrian Republic]

You can't just take quotes from the Bible and use them against people You have to provide context too.

Also, do you seriously think everything in the Bible is correct?

it is the inspired inherent word of god, and the accumulated knowledge of many millennia of human civilization, you will have to prove your point to me before I take you for granted, when against this, you nor I could ever be in a position to judge the highest THE builder. you are a fool to assume that you are wiser than those of the past simply because it is now and that was then

The Bible is the result of different "Church Fathers" deciding that they liked certain texts and didn't like others.

[Telconi]

I can't really muster myself to care if people feel like getting their gay on.

I would if they were getting their hay on in my living room probably.

[Kannap]

You can't just take quotes from the Bible and use them against people You have to provide context too.

Also, do you seriously think everything in the Bible is correct?

it is the inspired inherent word of god, and the accumulated knowledge of many millennia of human civilization, you will have to prove your point to me before I take you for granted, when against this, you nor I could ever be in a position to judge the highest THE builder. you are a fool to assume that you are wiser than those of the past simply because it is now and that was then

Rob Bell, great author - many good books - I think you'd learn a thing or two reading his book What Is the Bible? How an Ancient Library of Poems, Letters, and Stories Can Transform the Way You Think and Feel About Everything. It really overwhelmed and blew me away.

[Andsed]

There are churches that allow same sex marriage...

those are called heretical sensible churches that understand the idea of homosexuality being morally wrong is just plain wrong and baseless nonsense.

FTFY

[Kannap]

I can't really muster myself to care if people feel like getting their gay on.

I would if they were getting their hay on in my living room probably.

Considering you'd probably have to invite two gay guys with the express communicated knowledge that they were allowed to have sex in your living room for that scenario to happen, then you probably wouldn't care.

[Nanatsu no Tsuki]

As long as homosexuals aren't trying to get married at churches, I do not care. Do whatever you want if you're an adult, but don't try to force it on anyone else.

-A Christian

Why can't I get married in a church?

-A Christian

Because you shouldn’t force a church that’s against marrying you to do it. There’s such a thing as freedom of religion. Which should be respected. However, there are churches that do perform same sex marriages, you can go to one of them at least.

[Christenmark]

I am only doing this because I am the only one with enough brain cells left in my age group where I live to even care about this kind of stuff, and thus I never am able to express and grow my ideas with their input as they have no input nor care to give. I enjoy this here because I can understand your position - without having to agree to it, sure - while rationalizing my own. but I feel I am not being afforded the same courtesy and I am alright if you do not, but I am sad that I won't get the full value of this as a dialogue.

I mean, you're not affording me the courtesy you claim I'm not affording you - Guess its a two way street.

I understand that you think that the words of the founding documents are to be interpreted by the views of the now, not of what the meaning was when they were written, I don't read Plato and assume he is calling for the Facist ethnostate subliminally just because I can do mental gymnastics to create my own delusion, you are of a stalwart mind and that is a good trait, but not when it is so much so that it will do mental gymnastics to do so. I have been thinking hard about my own positions for a good three years, and I started out as a pro-LGBT marriage, pro-abortion, and pro-socialist stance, I was appauled by the true nature of some of these thigns and abandoned them until I had a set that werent internally conflicting. Now I have grown into a traditionalist, socially conservative, semi-libertarian, Pro-life, and anti-socialist, in my standings.

[Telconi]

I would if they were getting their hay on in my living room probably.

Considering you'd probably have to invite two gay guys with the express communicated knowledge that they were allowed to have sex in your living room for that scenario to happen, then you probably wouldn't care.

Well that's the point, I wouldn't do that, so if it happened it would be without express knowledge or permission.

[Ethel mermania]

Because marriage totally didn't exist before the religions that forbid them did. Also, nice job contradicting yourself here. How does the government have nothing to do with marriage if it defines it (poorly, I might add) and only allows churches to officiate it? And 0.01%? I don't know what world you live in where only 0.01% of the population is gay. Yes, (I know this is IC, but I think it's fairly likely that your actual views are being expressed here.)

in eccense they are, and yes IC the nation has a tiny LGBT population, but know this, The reason I mentioned churches is because 100% secular marriages are very rare (they are religious by nature), (sans las vegas) I know IRL it is larger, but even then IRL they re still a minuscule sliver of the whole, so small that the point still stands. the last quote, from the New Testament, is a separation of church and state, I just did not realize that by endorsing spirituality it would make a department for it. IRL I don't want the government anywhere in the business of marriage, I think it should be up entirely to the two getting married, but I also don't like the people who are trying to force the rest of us to change the word's meaning for the sake of an indescribably small number of people

In NYC in 2007 16,000 marriages were performed by the county clerk's office in Manhattan alone.

[Kannap]

You can't just take quotes from the Bible and use them against people You have to provide context too.

Also, do you seriously think everything in the Bible is correct?

it is the inspired inherent word of god, and the accumulated knowledge of many millennia of human civilization, you will have to prove your point to me before I take you for granted, when against this, you nor I could ever be in a position to judge the highest THE builder. you are a fool to assume that you are wiser than those of the past simply because it is now and that was then

We need to remember that the Bible was written by real men, in real nations, at a real point in history - They're writing from their life experiences and their knowledge of the world. Of course, some things have changed between what they knew about the world and what we know about the world.

We need to remember that the Bible didn't just fall out of the sky into the laps of the Hebrews, people wrote it for people to read. It's a library of knowledge and teachings for a variety of things; it's a library of letters, poetry, history, and other forms of writing. We need to mindful of this when reading the wealth within.