What is your opinion on LGBT+ marriage?

[Neanderthaland]

Your first post was acting as though it was impossible for gay people to have children, which - as the biological child of a gay person - I find questionable.

I mean, I dont know in what universe you can have a child with two men or two women without the introduction of a sperm or egg in some capacity

Our universe, where sperm donors, surrogates, or previous relationships exist.

[The Rich Port]

Or, you know, because this isn't the Schrodinger's Marriage thread and rather it's the Gay Marriage thread.

Also, you're a fascist, and in case you haven't been paying attention, things are a little tense between fascists and most people.

Are you a time traveler from 1928 Italy?

Also, right, you're apparently a Trump/Pence supporter.

Did you know that Pence is an anti-homosexual weirdo or did you somehow overlook that too.

Im not a fascist, I play as a fascist state on here... some of yall are dense... I more so support Trump and Pence over their economic policies than social beliefs, its all in the money for me

One thing we're definitely hostile against is inanity and deliberate ignorance.

So, yeah. Good job, I guess. You gonna tell us you're obscenely wealthy and benefit greatly from Trump completely ignoring the working and middle class in favor of the upper strata, as you should do when you're an aristocratic boot-licker, or that you voted wrong.

[Sapientia Et Bellum]

Im not a fascist, I play as a fascist state on here... some of yall are dense... I more so support Trump and Pence over their economic policies than social beliefs, its all in the money for me

One thing we're definitely hostile against is inanity and deliberate ignorance.

So, yeah. Good job, I guess. You gonna tell us you're obscenely wealthy and benefit greatly from Trump completely ignoring the working and middle class in favor of the upper strata, as you should do when you're an aristocratic boot-licker, or that you voted wrong.

Hey, thanks for making me out to be some sort of oppressor when Im literally a part time worker/full time college student working for minimum wage... If there is one thing I cant stand on this forum is how insanely liberal it is and how absolutely divisive it is towards those with other opinions beyond that of the majority liberal opinion on here

[Vassenor]

One thing we're definitely hostile against is inanity and deliberate ignorance.

So, yeah. Good job, I guess. You gonna tell us you're obscenely wealthy and benefit greatly from Trump completely ignoring the working and middle class in favor of the upper strata, as you should do when you're an aristocratic boot-licker, or that you voted wrong.

Hey, thanks for making me out to be some sort of oppressor when Im literally a part time worker/full time college student working for minimum wage... If there is one thing I cant stand on this forum is how insanely liberal it is and how absolutely divisive it is towards those with other opinions beyond that of the majority liberal opinion on here

I mean you are kind of voting against your best interests there.

[Neanderthaland]

One thing we're definitely hostile against is inanity and deliberate ignorance.

So, yeah. Good job, I guess. You gonna tell us you're obscenely wealthy and benefit greatly from Trump completely ignoring the working and middle class in favor of the upper strata, as you should do when you're an aristocratic boot-licker, or that you voted wrong.

Hey, thanks for making me out to be some sort of oppressor when Im literally a part time worker/full time college student working for minimum wage... If there is one thing I cant stand on this forum is how insanely liberal it is and how absolutely divisive it is towards those with other opinions beyond that of the majority liberal opinion on here

Dude, you said that my parents marriage was pointless. Don't play the victim card.

[Sapientia Et Bellum]

Hey, thanks for making me out to be some sort of oppressor when Im literally a part time worker/full time college student working for minimum wage... If there is one thing I cant stand on this forum is how insanely liberal it is and how absolutely divisive it is towards those with other opinions beyond that of the majority liberal opinion on here

Dude, you said that my parents marriage was pointless. Don't play the victim card.

Im not playing the victim towards you

that's a relevant topic, I do believe your parents marriage was pointless from my point of view but im not against them doing what makes them and you happy... really it doesn't matter what I think, I shouldn't really have posted to begin with... I will not however sit here and be slandered and have words put in my mouth...

[Sapientia Et Bellum]

Hey, thanks for making me out to be some sort of oppressor when Im literally a part time worker/full time college student working for minimum wage... If there is one thing I cant stand on this forum is how insanely liberal it is and how absolutely divisive it is towards those with other opinions beyond that of the majority liberal opinion on here

I mean you are kind of voting against your best interests there.

I disagree, my best interests are determined by me and only me

[The Rich Port]

One thing we're definitely hostile against is inanity and deliberate ignorance.

So, yeah. Good job, I guess. You gonna tell us you're obscenely wealthy and benefit greatly from Trump completely ignoring the working and middle class in favor of the upper strata, as you should do when you're an aristocratic boot-licker, or that you voted wrong.

Hey, thanks for making me out to be some sort of oppressor when Im literally a part time worker/full time college student working for minimum wage... If there is one thing I cant stand on this forum is how insanely liberal it is and how absolutely divisive it is towards those with other opinions beyond that of the majority liberal opinion on here

Alright, look, you know what, we got off on the wrong foot. What's your major, legit curious. I wasn't calling you an oppressor... I made that distinction pretty clear.

You have to understand that it's incredibly cynical and messed up to completely disregard a major part of a candidate's platform knowing that it could horribly affect other people. You're not an oppressor, but blindly supporting someone who is already obscenely wealthy and powerful has to be a major issue, not just for you, but for everyone.

Donald Trump doesn't know what a hard day's work is. He doesn't care about you. He doesn't care about the economy, no matter how much he harps on about it. And he very obviously doesn't care about gay people. He's not so logical as to think "what's the point of marriage anyway."

That's why people are hostile. I'm not hostile, too much, cuz I didn't discover I was bisexual until I was well into college and I haven't really told anyone about it yet, and my family isn't gonna react positively to it, yadda yadda yadda.

So, on behalf of everybody on the thread, I apologize, we don't mean to come off as hostile. We're defensive, because we've only just got rights, and nobody seems to worry too much about having it taken it away from us.

You... Understand that, right?

[OlJa]

no

[Sapientia Et Bellum]

Hey, thanks for making me out to be some sort of oppressor when Im literally a part time worker/full time college student working for minimum wage... If there is one thing I cant stand on this forum is how insanely liberal it is and how absolutely divisive it is towards those with other opinions beyond that of the majority liberal opinion on here

Alright, look, you know what, we got off on the wrong foot. What's your major, legit curious. I wasn't calling you an oppressor... I made that distinction pretty clear.

You have to understand that it's incredibly cynical and messed up to completely disregard a major part of a candidate's platform knowing that it could horribly affect other people. You're not an oppressor, but blindly supporting someone who is already obscenely wealthy and powerful has to be a major issue, not just for you, but for everyone.

Donald Trump doesn't know what a hard day's work is. He doesn't care about you. He doesn't care about the economy, no matter how much he harps on about it. And he very obviously doesn't care about gay people. He's not so logical as to think "what's the point of marriage anyway."

That's why people are hostile. I'm not hostile, too much, cuz I didn't discover I was bisexual until I was well into college and I haven't really told anyone about it yet, and my family isn't gonna react positively to it, yadda yadda yadda.

So, on behalf of everybody on the thread, I apologize, we don't mean to come off as hostile. We're defensive, because we've only just got rights, and nobody seems to worry too much about having it taken it away from us.

You... Understand that, right?

I get you and I don't wish to take your rights from you nor do I believe the Trump admin intends to harm your rights in anyway... Its a supreme court ruling, its not gonna be overturned that easily (we don't even want to overturn it, we have bigger fish to fry)… Im an economics major, my life revolves around the study of the economy and yes I do have huge beefs with Trumps Policies (especially the tax cuts which will harm us all in the long run, due to inflationary pressures, even if it speeds up the economy along with the fact that he refuses to balance the budget in any way shape or form. Regardless of my beefs with him, I still belief that republican party (not necessarily Trump himself) economic policy will be better for the country in the long run. I rest my case, lets not take the thread off topic.

[Asherahan]

Marriage should be abolished and we should all live in Free Union relationships.

Is what I would like to happen but it won't so sure let the homosexuals get married its not like their hurting anyone.

[Neanderthaland]

Dude, you said that my parents marriage was pointless. Don't play the victim card.

Im not playing the victim towards you

that's a relevant topic, I do believe your parents marriage was pointless from my point of view but im not against them doing what makes them and you happy... really it doesn't matter what I think, I shouldn't really have posted to begin with... I will not however sit here and be slandered and have words put in my mouth...

So the purpose of marriage is child rearing. But even when homosexual parents fulfill this purpose, their marriage is pointless.

This is what I can't stand about you people. You pretend to be taking principled stands, but you always only undermine those principles. My whole childhood there was this group "Focus on the Family" trying their damnedest to discriminate against, desecrate, and destroy my actual family. In the name of "family."

[Nogodia]

no

Welcome to the thread.
Please justify your opinion for the court of public opinion, post something, or feel free to ignore this for eternity and patrol around NS further.

[Terra Helvetica Order]

In RL, I support every type of equality.
I'm not homosexual, black and I'm not a woman and the white heterosexual Men also are discriminated. So much feminists say we need to extinct, but I'm also feminist.
I don't understand people, but I support them.

[Sapientia Et Bellum]

Im not playing the victim towards you

that's a relevant topic, I do believe your parents marriage was pointless from my point of view but im not against them doing what makes them and you happy... really it doesn't matter what I think, I shouldn't really have posted to begin with... I will not however sit here and be slandered and have words put in my mouth...

So the purpose of marriage is child rearing. But even when homosexual parents fulfill this purpose, their marriage is pointless.

This is what I can't stand about you people. You pretend to be taking principled stands, but you always only undermine those principles. My whole childhood there was this group "Focus on the Family" trying their damnedest to discriminate against, desecrate, and destroy my actual family. In the name of "family."

Did I say I want to destroy your family? Once again, people can do what makes em happy...I believe child rearing goes further beyond even adoption and sperm donors.... Its the biological birth of a child between a man and woman who are together in a marital union that makes said union truly meaningful at least in my own eyes... its how I give it meaning which may be different from how you give it meaning

[Nogodia]

In RL, I support every type of equality.
I'm not homosexual, black and I'm not a woman and the white heterosexual Men also are discriminated. So much feminists say we need to extinct, but I'm also feminist.
I don't understand people, but I support them.

I understood about 40% of this. Restate please?

[Neanderthaland]

So the purpose of marriage is child rearing. But even when homosexual parents fulfill this purpose, their marriage is pointless.

This is what I can't stand about you people. You pretend to be taking principled stands, but you always only undermine those principles. My whole childhood there was this group "Focus on the Family" trying their damnedest to discriminate against, desecrate, and destroy my actual family. In the name of "family."

Did I say I want to destroy your family? Once again, people can do what makes em happy...I believe child rearing goes further beyond even adoption and sperm donors.... Its the biological birth of a child between a man and woman who are together in a marital union that makes said union truly meaningful at least in my own eyes... its how I give it meaning which may be different from how you give it meaning

Weird how you supported adoption earlier, but now that it's been pointed out that gay people can adopt... suddenly even that is meaningless.

Marriage is now, only and completely, about the one thing gay people can't do. Literally nothing else matters. Not companionship, not love, not even procreation or child rearing unless they are strictly defined in heterosexual terms, and sometimes not even then (because fuck step-parents, amiright?) In fact, not even child rearing at all. Because that's not the important thing, it's the birth that "gives meaning."

Congratulations. In your effort to preserve marriage, you have literally destroyed marriage.

[Asherahan]

In RL, I support every type of equality.
I'm not homosexual, black and I'm not a woman and the white heterosexual Men also are discriminated. So much feminists say we need to extinct, but I'm also feminist.
I don't understand people, but I support them.

I understood about 40% of this. Restate please?

His a Cis White male Ally who has the dignity to not allow himself to be bullied by some 4th wave shrieks and soyboys.

Right on brother I am with you.

[The Rich Port]

Alright, look, you know what, we got off on the wrong foot. What's your major, legit curious. I wasn't calling you an oppressor... I made that distinction pretty clear.

You have to understand that it's incredibly cynical and messed up to completely disregard a major part of a candidate's platform knowing that it could horribly affect other people. You're not an oppressor, but blindly supporting someone who is already obscenely wealthy and powerful has to be a major issue, not just for you, but for everyone.

Donald Trump doesn't know what a hard day's work is. He doesn't care about you. He doesn't care about the economy, no matter how much he harps on about it. And he very obviously doesn't care about gay people. He's not so logical as to think "what's the point of marriage anyway."

That's why people are hostile. I'm not hostile, too much, cuz I didn't discover I was bisexual until I was well into college and I haven't really told anyone about it yet, and my family isn't gonna react positively to it, yadda yadda yadda.

So, on behalf of everybody on the thread, I apologize, we don't mean to come off as hostile. We're defensive, because we've only just got rights, and nobody seems to worry too much about having it taken it away from us.

You... Understand that, right?

I get you and I don't wish to take your rights from you nor do I believe the Trump admin intends to harm your rights in anyway... Its a supreme court ruling, its not gonna be overturned that easily (we don't even want to overturn it, we have bigger fish to fry)… Im an economics major, my life revolves around the study of the economy and yes I do have huge beefs with Trumps Policies (especially the tax cuts which will harm us all in the long run, due to inflationary pressures, even if it speeds up the economy along with the fact that he refuses to balance the budget in any way shape or form. Regardless of my beefs with him, I still belief that republican party (not necessarily Trump himself) economic policy will be better for the country in the long run. I rest my case, lets not take the thread off topic.

I'm not sure what about Trump's demeanor, comport, and overall credibility makes you think he has "bigger fish to fry". The Supreme Court is staffed purely by conservatives now, and none of them are friends of homosexuals or their right to marry.

You think NS or NSG is overly liberal? How do you think we feel about the Supreme Court, about Congress being completely wrested from our control, for purely undemocratic reasons that take the choice away from the people of this nation and put it into the hands of a minority, for imagined assaults being retorted with actual assaults against our rights, against who we are. You know, things where being "balanced" and "unbiased" actually matter, as opposed to an Internet forum.

I'll tell you how, it's the same way you feel about capitalism being corrupted by Trump, who has done nothing but turn this nation towards becoming a copy of Russia and China in a misguided attempt at recapturing some faded glory years that never existed for anybody except the wealthy.

ESPECIALLY not for homosexuals or anybody who isn't what's "normal" to the Republican Party.

And now they're in bed with white nationalists, with Russian oligarchs? We might lose our rights over a sham presidency that MIGHT improve the government? Out of desperation that people are catching onto their lies and nonsense, so they fabricate evidence and call everything else "fake news", including us recapturing a semblance of humanity we've been deprived of for most of human history?

Yeah... I hate to break it to ya, but. Why would homosexuals give a damn about Trump "fixing" the economy, exactly?

[Sapientia Et Bellum]

Did I say I want to destroy your family? Once again, people can do what makes em happy...I believe child rearing goes further beyond even adoption and sperm donors.... Its the biological birth of a child between a man and woman who are together in a marital union that makes said union truly meaningful at least in my own eyes... its how I give it meaning which may be different from how you give it meaning

Weird how you supported adoption earlier, but now that it's been pointed out that gay people can adopt... suddenly even that is meaningless.

Marriage is now, only and completely, about the one thing gay people can't do. Literally nothing else matters. Not companionship, not love, not even procreation or child rearing unless they are strictly defined in heterosexual terms, and sometimes not even then (because fuck step-parents, amiright?) In fact, not even child rearing at all. Because that's not the important thing, it's the birth that "gives meaning."

Congratulations. In your effort to preserve marriage, you have literally destroyed marriage.

Adoption is still only surface level... I support it but it doesn't have the same weight as biological children... Last time I checked, homosexuals can marry.... I specifically states that what gives something meaning to you is different from what gives something meaning to me.... This is a fruitless debate, peace

[Nogodia]

Weird how you supported adoption earlier, but now that it's been pointed out that gay people can adopt... suddenly even that is meaningless.

Marriage is now, only and completely, about the one thing gay people can't do. Literally nothing else matters. Not companionship, not love, not even procreation or child rearing unless they are strictly defined in heterosexual terms, and sometimes not even then (because fuck step-parents, amiright?) In fact, not even child rearing at all. Because that's not the important thing, it's the birth that "gives meaning."

Congratulations. In your effort to preserve marriage, you have literally destroyed marriage.

Adoption is still only surface level... I support it but it doesn't have the same weight as biological children... Last time I checked, homosexuals can marry.... I specifically states that what gives something meaning to you is different from what gives something meaning to me.... This is a fruitless debate, peace

Or they can engage even the even more legally simple procedure of sperm and egg donations?

[Neanderthaland]

Weird how you supported adoption earlier, but now that it's been pointed out that gay people can adopt... suddenly even that is meaningless.

Marriage is now, only and completely, about the one thing gay people can't do. Literally nothing else matters. Not companionship, not love, not even procreation or child rearing unless they are strictly defined in heterosexual terms, and sometimes not even then (because fuck step-parents, amiright?) In fact, not even child rearing at all. Because that's not the important thing, it's the birth that "gives meaning."

Congratulations. In your effort to preserve marriage, you have literally destroyed marriage.

Adoption is still only surface level... I support it but it doesn't have the same weight as biological children... Last time I checked, homosexuals can marry.... I specifically states that what gives something meaning to you is different from what gives something meaning to me.... This is a fruitless debate, peace

It's fruitless only because you chose to die on a stupid, contrived hill. By your standards it doesn't even matter if the couple stays together after the kid is born, because actually raising the child isn't "meaningful." And not important to marriage.

It's so obvious that this entire string of logic was strung together only to exclude gay people. It's frankly laughable that you pretend otherwise.

[The Rich Port]

Adoption is still only surface level... I support it but it doesn't have the same weight as biological children... Last time I checked, homosexuals can marry.... I specifically states that what gives something meaning to you is different from what gives something meaning to me.... This is a fruitless debate, peace

Or they can engage even the even more legally simple procedure of sperm and egg donations?

I think adoption is great, IMO, especially when it comes to people that can't procreate, especially considering just how apparently there's a distinct lack of good foster parents in this country. Everybody always talks about how awful it is to give kids new parents to see if they work better than, you know, their procreative parents that were deprived of their rights to have a particular child for a good damn reason.

[The New California Republic]

I have a quasi-boyfriend

[The New California Republic]

In RL, I support every type of equality.
I'm not homosexual, black and I'm not a woman and the white heterosexual Men also are discriminated. So much feminists say we need to extinct, but I'm also feminist.
I don't understand people, but I support them.