What is your opinion on LGBT+ marriage?

[The Rich Port]

Are you saying John Connor is Jesus.

He's the only hope we've got.

Alright, well, dang, I just got completely demolished.

John Conner is Jesus and Emmett Brown is his disciple.

I concede the point.

[Sapientia Et Bellum]

Not that im against the idea of LGBT marriage but I don't see a point beyond the possible tax benefits... the idea of marriage was conceived for the purpose of raising children… Subtract the ability to conceive and I don't see the point of marriage unless you adopt... It would be much easier for homosexual couples to just date indefinitely as to avoid the rather horrible process that divorce is if things go from good to bad....

[Neanderthaland]

Not that im against the idea of LGBT marriage but I don't see a point beyond the possible tax benefits... the idea of marriage was conceived for the purpose of raising children… Subtract the ability to conceive and I don't see the point of marriage unless you adopt... It would be much easier for homosexual couples to just date indefinitely as to avoid the rather horrible process that divorce is if things go from good to bad....

A logic that no one has ever applied to any other sort of couples that can't/don't want to have children. Only the gays.

[Sapientia Et Bellum]

Not that im against the idea of LGBT marriage but I don't see a point beyond the possible tax benefits... the idea of marriage was conceived for the purpose of raising children… Subtract the ability to conceive and I don't see the point of marriage unless you adopt... It would be much easier for homosexual couples to just date indefinitely as to avoid the rather horrible process that divorce is if things go from good to bad....

A logic that no one has ever applied to any other sort of couples that can't/don't want to have children. Only the gays.

I would apply that logic to those couples as well... literally what is the point, other than tax benefits, of being considered a union in the eyes of a church and a state if you have no desire or ability to procreate?

[Neanderthaland]

A logic that no one has ever applied to any other sort of couples that can't/don't want to have children. Only the gays.

I would apply that logic to those couples as well... literally what is the point, other than tax benefits, of being considered a union in the eyes of a church and a state if you have no desire to procreate?

Well let's test that:
Have you ever spoken out against elderly marriage? Will I find any anti-elderly marriage posts in your posting history?

[The Grims]

A logic that no one has ever applied to any other sort of couples that can't/don't want to have children. Only the gays.

I would apply that logic to those couples as well... literally what is the point, other than tax benefits, of being considered a union in the eyes of a church and a state if you have no desire or ability to procreate?

"Other than tax benefits, power of attorney, inheritances and 700 or so other rights.. what's the point"

Was that a serious question?

[Sapientia Et Bellum]

I would apply that logic to those couples as well... literally what is the point, other than tax benefits, of being considered a union in the eyes of a church and a state if you have no desire to procreate?

Well let's test that:
Have you ever spoken out against elderly marriage? Will I find any anti-elderly marriage posts in your posting history?

Refering to people who marry after their ability to procreate has ceased to exist... yeah, they have no reason to marry other than tax benifits

Im not against people marrying others, I just dont see the point in it... dont say im against something when I simply think its a worthless step to take, people can do whatever the fuck they want

[Sapientia Et Bellum]

I would apply that logic to those couples as well... literally what is the point, other than tax benefits, of being considered a union in the eyes of a church and a state if you have no desire or ability to procreate?

"Other than tax benefits, power of attorney, inheritances and 700 or so other rights.. what's the point"

Was that a serious question?

Again, mandates of the state... Im looking for a reason beyond the state

[The Grims]

"Other than tax benefits, power of attorney, inheritances and 700 or so other rights.. what's the point"

Was that a serious question?

Again, mandates of the state... Im looking for a reason beyond the state

Why? Marriage is a civil contract.

[Vassenor]

Not that im against the idea of LGBT marriage but I don't see a point beyond the possible tax benefits... the idea of marriage was conceived for the purpose of raising children… Subtract the ability to conceive and I don't see the point of marriage unless you adopt... It would be much easier for homosexual couples to just date indefinitely as to avoid the rather horrible process that divorce is if things go from good to bad....

So you agree that infertile people should be banned from marrying?

[United Muscovite Nations]

Not that im against the idea of LGBT marriage but I don't see a point beyond the possible tax benefits... the idea of marriage was conceived for the purpose of raising children… Subtract the ability to conceive and I don't see the point of marriage unless you adopt... It would be much easier for homosexual couples to just date indefinitely as to avoid the rather horrible process that divorce is if things go from good to bad....

So you agree that infertile people should be banned from marrying?

They never said anyone should be banned from marrying.

[Sapientia Et Bellum]

Not that im against the idea of LGBT marriage but I don't see a point beyond the possible tax benefits... the idea of marriage was conceived for the purpose of raising children… Subtract the ability to conceive and I don't see the point of marriage unless you adopt... It would be much easier for homosexual couples to just date indefinitely as to avoid the rather horrible process that divorce is if things go from good to bad....

So you agree that infertile people should be banned from marrying?

No... god damn, do you people even read my posts

[The Rich Port]

So you agree that infertile people should be banned from marrying?

No... god damn, do you people even read my posts

So you're not against gay marriage, then, only against marriage in general?

We don't get you.

That's not an argument against gay marriage, ultimately, is what people are getting at.

Why else WOULD you get married. The whole reason why people discriminate against gay people is by barring them from the same tax benefits heterosexual cisgenders get.

[Sapientia Et Bellum]

No... god damn, do you people even read my posts

So you're not against gay marriage, then, only against marriage in general?

We don't get you.

Im not against marriage of any kind, I just don't see the point in it (beyond state mandates) without the desire or ability to procreate... Its not that hard to understand

Stop acting like the fact I don't see the point in something as me saying I think we should ban people from marrying

[Vassenor]

So you agree that infertile people should be banned from marrying?

No... god damn, do you people even read my posts

"the idea of marriage was conceived for the purpose of raising children… Subtract the ability to conceive and I don't see the point of marriage unless you adopt... "

Sure as hell sounds like it. Given that adoption is possible for homosexual marriages too but you're still acting like they can't raise children.

[Sapientia Et Bellum]

No... god damn, do you people even read my posts

"the idea of marriage was conceived for the purpose of raising children… Subtract the ability to conceive and I don't see the point of marriage unless you adopt... "

Sure as hell sounds like it. Given that adoption is possible for homosexual marriages too but you're still acting like they can't raise children.

I literally mentioned adoption... and again, I said "I don't see the point in it" not "It should be banned"

Stop putting words in my mouth, christ

[The Grims]

So you're not against gay marriage, then, only against marriage in general?

We don't get you.

Im not against marriage of any kind, I just don't see the point in it (beyond state mandates) without the desire or ability to procreate... Its not that hard to understand

Stop acting like the fact I don't see the point in something as me saying I think we should ban people from marrying

And we do not get the whole "this things has 1000 uses, but I do not see the point of getting it if one only wants to use 999 of them" reasoning

[The Rich Port]

So you're not against gay marriage, then, only against marriage in general?

We don't get you.

Im not against marriage of any kind, I just don't see the point in it (beyond state mandates) without the desire or ability to procreate... Its not that hard to understand

Stop acting like the fact I don't see the point in something as me saying I think we should ban people from marrying

What was the point of bringing that up if it wasn't a pretense to say gay marriage is pointless so it's pointless to give gay people the same rights as "people who can procreate".

Also, I think people would disagree (myself included) that the point of marriage is purely procreation.

Sure that was it's original intention in caveman times but it's 2019 now and marriage carries a lot of connotations.

In much the same way that someone would argue "People only get married to seal political alliances between noble houses"

[Sapientia Et Bellum]

Im not against marriage of any kind, I just don't see the point in it (beyond state mandates) without the desire or ability to procreate... Its not that hard to understand

Stop acting like the fact I don't see the point in something as me saying I think we should ban people from marrying

And we do not get the whole "this things has 1000 uses, but I do not see the point of getting it if one only wants to use 999 of them" reasoning

Then that's where we are.... I see marriage as something beyond a state contract likely due to the fact I had a religious upbringing... Its just how I have come to understand the idea of a marital union

[Deathfall]

Hi everyone. I've not bothered to read the original post that triggered over 35 pages of discussion and the occasional "its unnatural" or "adam and eve, not adam and steve" or "god wanted a man and woman" since the question seems straight forward enough. Do note I am new to discussion threads for the most part, so I apologize in due course if I violate a rule (which I doubt I will, but whatever).

I'm personally a homosexual (aka gay), and I have a quasi-boyfriend (not going to go into it). I am perfectly happy with my life and I face discrimination nearly everyday of my life. Whether it be online or in the school hallway, I'm called "faggot" and a array of other words, and I'm not triggered over that. What I am triggered over, however, is that such a person calling me out is extremely ignorant -- in my opinion. Let me argue my points.

First, someone being a homosexual is not a trend, it's simply exploded since free thought is now beginning to unleash and there is no longer a significant force of social norms in Western society --- being gay has always been around, but not so strong then before our day and age. The statement of thought in this case being that "you can love whoever you want". People fought and died for the right to love whoever they wanted, i.e. the Stonewall riots. Some organizations are abusing such a history of the fight for the right to love whoever you want by pegging themselves onto such a history and then promoting their own thoughts, i.e. the Stonewall Militant Front in Austin, TX. Whether or not I agree if that's okay is a book that is firmly closed for another time.

Second, the claim that Christianity bans homosexuality or otherwise shames it is not so true. I refuse to go into this since my good friend queers4christ on Instagram debunks such claims nearly everyday. It is also counseled by nearly every major religion (i.e., Christianity, Islam, etc.) to hate the sin and love the sinner, or love your neighbor as you love yourself regardless of your thoughts on such a neighbor.

Third, anyone who truly cares about someone being a homosexual or LGBTQ+ generally, in my opinion, must not have anything better else to do with their time. If a person wants to love another person, why should we care? Because it's "unnatural"? Because it's a sin? Because it's "disgusting"? If you stop caring, a slient thank you is spoken by nearly every single LGBTQ+ person since you aren't calling them out and keeping your cool.

WIth my three points, established, my opinion is this: I support gay marriage, and who should honestly care if a man loves a man, or what have you.

That's my two cents. Let the screaming now commence. I'm not sticking around to get moderated. *insert smiley face here*[*]

[Sapientia Et Bellum]

Im not against marriage of any kind, I just don't see the point in it (beyond state mandates) without the desire or ability to procreate... Its not that hard to understand

Stop acting like the fact I don't see the point in something as me saying I think we should ban people from marrying

What was the point of bringing that up if it wasn't a pretense to say gay marriage is pointless so it's pointless to give gay people the same rights as "people who can procreate".

Also, I think people would disagree (myself included) that the point of marriage is purely procreation.

Sure that was it's original intention in caveman times but it's 2019 now and marriage carries a lot of connotations.

In much the same way that someone would argue "People only get married to seal political alliances between noble houses"

Because I can bring up my opinions where I so please... didn't realize yall would be so fucking hostile

[Neanderthaland]

"the idea of marriage was conceived for the purpose of raising children… Subtract the ability to conceive and I don't see the point of marriage unless you adopt... "

Sure as hell sounds like it. Given that adoption is possible for homosexual marriages too but you're still acting like they can't raise children.

I literally mentioned adoption... and again, I said "I don't see the point in it" not "It should be banned"

Stop putting words in my mouth, christ

Your first post was acting as though it was impossible for gay people to have children, which - as the biological child of a gay person - I find questionable.

[Sapientia Et Bellum]

I literally mentioned adoption... and again, I said "I don't see the point in it" not "It should be banned"

Stop putting words in my mouth, christ

Your first post was acting as though it was impossible for gay people to have children, which - as the biological child of a gay person - I find questionable.

I mean, I dont know in what universe you can have a child with two men or two women without the introduction of a sperm or egg in some capacity

[The Rich Port]

What was the point of bringing that up if it wasn't a pretense to say gay marriage is pointless so it's pointless to give gay people the same rights as "people who can procreate".

Also, I think people would disagree (myself included) that the point of marriage is purely procreation.

Sure that was it's original intention in caveman times but it's 2019 now and marriage carries a lot of connotations.

In much the same way that someone would argue "People only get married to seal political alliances between noble houses"

Because I can bring up my opinions where I so please... didn't realize yall would be so fucking hostile

Or, you know, because this isn't the Schrodinger's Marriage thread and rather it's the Gay Marriage thread.

Also, you're a fascist, and in case you haven't been paying attention, things are a little tense between fascists and most people.

Are you a time traveler from 1928 Italy?

Also, right, you're apparently a Trump/Pence supporter.

Did you know that Pence is an anti-homosexual weirdo or did you somehow overlook that too.

[Sapientia Et Bellum]

Because I can bring up my opinions where I so please... didn't realize yall would be so fucking hostile

Or, you know, because this isn't the Schrodinger's Marriage thread and rather it's the Gay Marriage thread.

Also, you're a fascist, and in case you haven't been paying attention, things are a little tense between fascists and most people.

Are you a time traveler from 1928 Italy?

Also, right, you're apparently a Trump/Pence supporter.

Did you know that Pence is an anti-homosexual weirdo or did you somehow overlook that too.

Im not a fascist, I play as a fascist state on here... some of yall are dense... I more so support Trump and Pence over their economic policies than social beliefs, its all in the money for me... If your capable of reading my sig, you ought to have seen the ooc section or are you blind/illiterate