Alt-right. A terrorist movement in the making?

[-MAFDET-]

It is ignorant to tackle on the issues of white supremacy and Donald Trump's support of it without understanding the social context for why they exist. The question of white supremacy's validity has been answered a thousand times in much more esteemed institutions than NSG. But very well. I'll provide a response I made to a person who asked me virtually the same question you did. It's better than providing a different version of the same answer. It's somewhat more in-depth than what you asked for, but it will do.




White privilege is invisible to the people who directly benefit from it. The privileges we possess are not something often contemplated. This research has forced white people to essentially think about the status they hold in society, and how it impacts everyone else. Whether consciously or otherwise, white nationalists despise the idea of their privilege in society being challenged. POC have to go through life with extra mitigation, while white people simply do not have the same social baggage.

As for your last question, I'm utterly lost on your line of thinking. White men are not marginalized on account of their skin color or gender. Black men, with all of the horrible treatment they face, are still moderately better off than black women on account of simply being men. They are not immune to holding sexist bias. I don't understand your vendetta against feminism, a philosophy that is about equality for all.

White supremacy is merely an in-group and out-group tool and system for organizing power. If you out-group white people, some will become white supremacist. The key is to discuss who is causing the in-group and out-group distinction to fall along racial lines.

White people is a dysfunctional category to analyze police violence from if you're going to claim white privilege, because half of white people also suffer disproportionate racial violence.

The concept of white privilege is a matter of not properly examining a data set with sufficient controls.

Can you demonstrate to me an example of white privilege that survives these controls being applied?

1) What else would be causing this but the very system which created it in the first place, the classification of human beings into racial categories? You act as if the academic concept of white privilege is merely a tool to perpetuate the in-group and out-group system, which makes no sense. White privilege is the consequence of the othering of different people.

2) That is factually incorrect. As a matter of fact, this provides for me an opportunity to quote yet another reply I made to someone.

https://www.splcenter.org/hatewatch/201 ... -bjs-study

According to a report conducted by the DOJ, it was found that the majority of most violent crimes were committed by people who are the same race as their victims. To be more precise, the rate of white-on-white crime was found to be four times that of black-on-white crime. Here's an excerpt from the article that further supports my point.

White supremacists frequently like to manipulate crime statistics in order to claim that nonwhite minorities, particularly African-Americans, are far more crime-prone and the source of most violent crime against whites. Indeed, it is a core belief that this is the case, and many white nationalist ideologues — including politician and pundit Patrick Buchanan, Jared Taylor of American Renaissance, and the Council of Conservative Citizens — all have made considerable hay out of proffering “studies” laden with risibly bad statistics and other evidence to make their case.

The BJS study demonstrates plainly that this is simply not the case. Some 57 percent of crimes involving white victims were committed by white perpetrators, while only 15 percent were committed by blacks, and 11 percent by Hispanics. Black crime victims fell along similar racial lines, with 63 percent of the crimes committed by black perpetrators, while 11 percent were committed by whites, and 6.6 percent by Hispanics.

The over-representation of colored people among violent criminals is due to the fact that they are racially stereotyped as thugs and gangsters. This is a white supremacist caricature. Furthermore, simply because racial profiling is occasionally conducted by the FBI against white people does not justify the racial profiling committed against people of color. Racial profiling is a racist policy, period.

[Ostroeuropa]

Secondly you need to allow white and male organizations to address issues impacting their communities and demographic.

Y'all already have the right to form "white organizations". You've had it for decades. And every time someone uses that right, a white supremacist organization is born.

When was the last time you heard of a white organization that wasn't supremacist? Say what you will about black activism, but at least they can claim that not every single black organization has been in the line of the Black Hebrew Israelites.

If you immediately vilify and demonize everyone who joins a white organization, people will be scared to join. Moreover, the presence of racist ideology is made worse through lack of participation and dialogue that progressive identity politics will foster and the dynamic it will insist upon with a white organization.

A group of white people who set out to fix white communities problems with an eye toward how race impacts it will be immediately vilified, designated racist, an enemy group, and then minority groups interested in fixing racism against minorities won't engage in good faith with that group, meaning the opportunity for sharing perspectives and understanding is lost.

I want you to try and imagine you have to be not racist for a moment, but without referencing any material or discussions you've had with any minorities. If you fuck it up once, you're done, and now you can't organize anymore.

[Rezmaeristan]

So the question is, how do we convince white people that they're not threatened? I think they do face some threats(though obviously nothing like white genocide; marginalization might be a more accurate term) that could be reduced with immigration reduction and natalist policies. Or if this threat is imaginary, what can be done to prove its nonexistence?

The threat is imaginary. What can be done? First of all, undermine the far right's ability to exploit these delusions by depriving them of the tools to recruit and radicalize white men. Don't give the ideologues of the movement platforms and take away what platforms they do have. Second of all, and this is a bit of a pipe dream because it would require going against the media's interests, undermine the hysteria-fueling coverage of stuff like the migrant crisis and try to keep the reporting level-headed, facts-based and empathetic. Don't allow pundits to otherize foreigners unchecked.

There is something causing them to seek out the alt-right in the first place. Some sense of dread. Take that away, and you take away the threat.

[Liriena]

Example of white privilege being bullshit;

If something benefits both Asians and White people, why say it's white privilege? Isn't it more accurate to say it's Black disadvantage?

No because the idea that "Asians" as a whole category are somehow a model minority is pretty bunk in itself and to use that as an argument against white privilege is a gross oversimplification.

The examples of white privilege you bring up, ask yourself this;

Is it only whites benefitting from the example?

If not;
Would "Jewish privilege" be acceptable to you too? Along with a narrative about Jews similar to the one you advance for whites? What justification for the boundary you have chosen do you have?

For one, one could argue that whatever socioeconomic advantages Jewish Americans have are not due to decades or centuries of public policy created by governments and political organizations comprised almost entirely of people like themselves for the explicit or implicit purposes of increasing or maintaining their overall power through the marginalization (if not outright exploitation) of others on the basis of their ethnicity.

It's almost as if "privilege" is not just about doing well overall as a community, but also about why you are doing well overall.

[Liriena]

The threat is imaginary. What can be done? First of all, undermine the far right's ability to exploit these delusions by depriving them of the tools to recruit and radicalize white men. Don't give the ideologues of the movement platforms and take away what platforms they do have. Second of all, and this is a bit of a pipe dream because it would require going against the media's interests, undermine the hysteria-fueling coverage of stuff like the migrant crisis and try to keep the reporting level-headed, facts-based and empathetic. Don't allow pundits to otherize foreigners unchecked.

There is something causing them to seek out the alt-right in the first place. Some sense of dread. Take that away, and you take away the threat.

That's alienation. We live in shitty times, socioeconomically, and it bleeds into our psychology. Different groups deal with it differently, depending on the tools and narratives available to them.

[Liriena]

Y'all already have the right to form "white organizations". You've had it for decades. And every time someone uses that right, a white supremacist organization is born.

When was the last time you heard of a white organization that wasn't supremacist? Say what you will about black activism, but at least they can claim that not every single black organization has been in the line of the Black Hebrew Israelites.

If you immediately vilify and demonize everyone who joins a white organization, people will be scared to join. Moreover, the presence of racist ideology is made worse through lack of participation and dialogue that progressive identity politics will foster and the dynamic it will insist upon with a white organization.

A group of white people who set out to fix white communities problems with an eye toward how race impacts it will be immediately vilified, designated racist, an enemy group, and then minority groups interested in fixing racism against minorities won't engage in good faith with that group, meaning the opportunity for sharing perspectives and understanding is lost.

I want you to try and imagine you have to be not racist for a moment, but without referencing any material or discussions you've had with any minorities. If you fuck it up once, you're done, and now you can't organize anymore.

You're trying to play chicken-and-egg on white supremacy and white identity politics, and it's stupid. The progressivism you endlessly complain about is a lot younger than white supremacism, so you don't get to complain that good white identity politics don't exist because mean progressives scared good white identitarians off organizing. Y'all had more than enough time to create some nice, big white organizations that weren't racist before progressivism came along.

[Rezmaeristan]

There is something causing them to seek out the alt-right in the first place. Some sense of dread. Take that away, and you take away the threat.

That's alienation. We live in shitty times, socioeconomically, and it bleeds into our psychology. Different groups deal with it differently, depending on the tools and narratives available to them.

Could it be that alienated whites don't always have the tools available to deal with it? Because of the fear that most whites have of in-grouping and identity politics, thus leading any white identity movement to turn supremacist?

[Ostroeuropa]

White supremacy is merely an in-group and out-group tool and system for organizing power. If you out-group white people, some will become white supremacist. The key is to discuss who is causing the in-group and out-group distinction to fall along racial lines.

White people is a dysfunctional category to analyze police violence from if you're going to claim white privilege, because half of white people also suffer disproportionate racial violence.

The concept of white privilege is a matter of not properly examining a data set with sufficient controls.

Can you demonstrate to me an example of white privilege that survives these controls being applied?

1) What else would be causing this but the very system which created it in the first place, the classification of human beings into racial categories? You act as if the academic concept of white privilege is merely a tool to perpetuate the in-group and out-group system, which makes no sense. White privilege is the consequence of the othering of different people.

2) That is factually incorrect. As a matter of fact, this provides for me an opportunity to quote yet another reply I made to someone.

https://www.splcenter.org/hatewatch/201 ... -bjs-study

According to a report conducted by the DOJ, it was found that the majority of most violent crimes were committed by people who are the same race as their victims. To be more precise, the rate of white-on-white crime was found to be four times that of black-on-white crime. Here's an excerpt from the article that further supports my point.

White supremacists frequently like to manipulate crime statistics in order to claim that nonwhite minorities, particularly African-Americans, are far more crime-prone and the source of most violent crime against whites. Indeed, it is a core belief that this is the case, and many white nationalist ideologues — including politician and pundit Patrick Buchanan, Jared Taylor of American Renaissance, and the Council of Conservative Citizens — all have made considerable hay out of proffering “studies” laden with risibly bad statistics and other evidence to make their case.

The BJS study demonstrates plainly that this is simply not the case. Some 57 percent of crimes involving white victims were committed by white perpetrators, while only 15 percent were committed by blacks, and 11 percent by Hispanics. Black crime victims fell along similar racial lines, with 63 percent of the crimes committed by black perpetrators, while 11 percent were committed by whites, and 6.6 percent by Hispanics.

The over-representation of colored people among violent criminals is due to the fact that they are racially stereotyped as thugs and gangsters. This is a white supremacist caricature. Furthermore, simply because racial profiling is occasionally conducted by the FBI against white people does not justify the racial profiling committed against people of color. Racial profiling is a racist policy, period.

1. You're missing the point.

Example of white privilege being bullshit;

If something benefits both Asians and White people, why say it's white privilege? Isn't it more accurate to say it's Black disadvantage?

The examples of white privilege you bring up, ask yourself this;

Is it only whites benefitting from the example?

If not;
Would "Jewish privilege" be acceptable to you too? Along with a narrative about Jews similar to the one you advance for whites? What justification for the boundary you have chosen do you have?

Especially within the context of that kind of argument then supplying say, non-Jewish white people, the social capital to be racist to Jews and dismiss complaints about it because "Jewish privilege" and "Privilege+power", like Sarah Jeong, for instance.

2. You're right and I misspoke. I meant to say Disproportionate police violence, not racial violence. It's late here. Half of all white people, men, suffer disproportionate violence too. Half of all black people suffer less violence than average, women.

Example of white privilege being bullshit;

If something benefits both Asians and White people, why say it's white privilege? Isn't it more accurate to say it's Black disadvantage?

No because the idea that "Asians" as a whole category are somehow a model minority is pretty bunk in itself and to use that as an argument against white privilege is a gross oversimplification.

The examples of white privilege you bring up, ask yourself this;

Is it only whites benefitting from the example?

If not;
Would "Jewish privilege" be acceptable to you too? Along with a narrative about Jews similar to the one you advance for whites? What justification for the boundary you have chosen do you have?

For one, one could argue that whatever socioeconomic advantages Jewish Americans have are not due to decades or centuries of public policy created by governments and political organizations comprised almost entirely of people like themselves for the explicit or implicit purposes of increasing or maintaining their overall power through the marginalization (if not outright exploitation) of others on the basis of their ethnicity.

It's almost as if "privilege" is not just about doing well overall as a community, but also about why you are doing well overall.

"People like themselves.". White aristocrat is the Jewish banker of the progressive left and its hateful worldview.

After all, clearly a Jew would support banking deregulation because Goldman Sachs pushed for it. It's in their interest as a group. It benefits a Jew for banking deregulation to be in place, therefore it benefits The Jew, that's how you guys think, right?

[Ostroeuropa]

If you immediately vilify and demonize everyone who joins a white organization, people will be scared to join. Moreover, the presence of racist ideology is made worse through lack of participation and dialogue that progressive identity politics will foster and the dynamic it will insist upon with a white organization.

A group of white people who set out to fix white communities problems with an eye toward how race impacts it will be immediately vilified, designated racist, an enemy group, and then minority groups interested in fixing racism against minorities won't engage in good faith with that group, meaning the opportunity for sharing perspectives and understanding is lost.

I want you to try and imagine you have to be not racist for a moment, but without referencing any material or discussions you've had with any minorities. If you fuck it up once, you're done, and now you can't organize anymore.

You're trying to play chicken-and-egg on white supremacy and white identity politics, and it's stupid. The progressivism you endlessly complain about is a lot younger than white supremacism, so you don't get to complain that good white identity politics don't exist because mean progressives scared good white identitarians off organizing. Y'all had more than enough time to create some nice, big white organizations that weren't racist before progressivism came along.

Not within the left wing we couldn't mate. It's not a coincidence that as religiosity fades away, the alt-right is replacing it.

You're following in the footsteps of the Orangemen in northern ireland, so convinced of your own righteousness you haven't noticed the game has changed and you're not dealing with theocratic and insular tribalists anymore, but people opposed to your rule.

"Well if you wanted a peaceful Ireland without catholic theocracy you could have tried that already. They're Irish, they're talking about independence, it's coded theocracy, that's all.".

No, we couldn't, because we weren't born yet.

[Ostroeuropa]

Incidentally that whole "You could have already" thing?

Mens rights movement, 1960's, that's all.

[Sabantistan]

Yes, it always has been. The Alt-right is white, nationalist fascism masquerading as people's politics. Sympathy for the Alt-right stems from ignorance and putting economic blame on the wrong people, whilst failing to address- let alone understand- the real problems we face.

I feel sorry for the young who fall into this mess, as I can understand how easy it can be to trip into it. After awhile though, you have to own your mistakes.

[Liriena]

"People like themselves.". White aristocrat is the Jewish banker of the progressive left and its hateful worldview.

After all, clearly a Jew would support banking deregulation because Goldman Sachs pushed for it. It's in their interest as a group. It benefits a Jew for banking deregulation to be in place, therefore it benefits The Jew, that's how you guys think, right?

Now you're just playing dumb. I'm talking about white-majority governments and organizations which specifically, explicitly or implicitly, pushed for policies that benefited white people to the detriment of others. Not just vaguely pro-bourgeois policies that just so happened to screw minorities harder.

[Ostroeuropa]

"People like themselves.". White aristocrat is the Jewish banker of the progressive left and its hateful worldview.

After all, clearly a Jew would support banking deregulation because Goldman Sachs pushed for it. It's in their interest as a group. It benefits a Jew for banking deregulation to be in place, therefore it benefits The Jew, that's how you guys think, right?

Now you're just playing dumb. I'm talking about white-majority governments and organizations which specifically, explicitly or implicitly, pushed for policies that benefited white people to the detriment of others. Not just vaguely pro-bourgeois policies that just so happened to screw minorities harder.

Which benefits. Where. Do you mean not fucking them over? That's not a benefit. I am not in cahoots with a murderer who stole their victims wallet merely because i'm not the victim, and I don't benefit from it. Moreover if I only earn enough to eat, that doesn't benefit my descendants, even if someone elses ancestor died of starvation.

Moreover you're now the one pushing the zero sum narrative. Minority historical disadvantage does not discount white disadvantage in the modern day. Nor does existing minority disadvantage, because it is situational.

[Fedel]

I’ve never called a white person a Nazi just because they’re white. Hell, I’ve never actually seen a white person get accused of being a Nazi just because they’re white.

I can't tell if you're joking right now... The page before you made this post I was called a "nazi" for disagreeing with the idea that the swastika lost all other meanings it had as a religious symbol prior to the Nazi's adopting it. And you're trying to tell me that word isn't casually flung around by progressives and liberals about anybody who dares to oppose their positions? I can't tell if this was a genuine oversight on your part or an attempt to deny reality.

I’m sure it happens, but you’re vastly overstating how often this occurs.

I really don't think I am. I hear the word nazi flung around everyday at my school to describe anything even slightly right of center. If we're going off purely anecdotal evidence, I've seen seen a Jewish person being treated worse as a result of being Jewish in my entire life. Despite this, I won't return the favor and accuse you of overstating how often unfair treatment to the Jewish people occurs.

[Fedel]

He's pointing out that your complaints resonate with white and male grievances, and would actually make a good point of connecting with them on an emotional level of how that experience sucks and people should knock itg off.

As I said I’ve never accused someone of being a Nazi on account of their whiteness. The only people I accuse of being Nazis or bigots or fascists are people who display that behaviour.

The problem is the people who you may believe are "bigots" or "fascists" may not in fact qualify as a "bigot" or a "fascist" let alone a nazi. All that's being suggested is that people not be so quick to use insulting labels that may not accurately reflect the beliefs of that individual. Because, in doing so, you're helping to expand the ranks of the groups you profess to hate by minimizing the criteria necessary to be labelled as one of its members and incentivizing people to be more open to the ideas and beliefs of the groups you're associating them with ( if they're already being associated with that group by a large portion of the population, they having nothing to lose by immersing themselves in that community ).

[Fedel]

You’re missing the point. Are you responsible for those peoples actions?

Nope, I’m not. Just like white folks aren’t collectively guilty for the two synagogue shootings.
Not sure where anyone claimed that, but there’s your clarification on the matter.

It goes back to a post you made on the last page:

You don't think being accused of being a bigot when you're not would be frustrating...

Welcome to being Jewish. I have to deal with people constantly accusing me of being part of a cabal that controls the banks and media, is trying to genocide the white race, is trying to undermine western society, as well as being responsible for both communism and capitalism.

Jews have been accused of being the worst things western society can conjure, for centuries. And never once has being bludgeoned with these baseless accusations driven me to kill anyone.

You suggested that being bombarded with accusations and harassment unfairly or based on things you can't control is something that Jewish people simply have to deal with but that, despite this, YOU never killed anybody. This was after I pointed out that many white, male or right leaning individuals currently undergo the same.

I pointed out that this treatment has caused Jews to act out just as it has caused white, male and right leaning individuals to act out. My point being that all of these acts were terrible and should not have been carried out but that I believe you and I can agree that nobody should be subjected to unfair harassment or harassment based on things one can't control since it can contribute to these terrible acts occurring.

[El-Amin Caliphate]

Most alt-righters don't have the energy to leave their mother's basement, let alone commit acts of terror. But - the radicalization of people through the internet, whether it be with the alt-right or an actual terror group, it poses a lot of issues. It is undeniable that many attacks in the last year had radicalized alt-right perpetrators, which is a major cause for concern.

The best thing that concerned people can do is deprive the far/alt-right of oxygen and de-legitimize their "platforms" and reprehensible ideologies through clear, concise and sound logic.

Don't forget that most of them are still young and, more often than not, frustrated with their lives. They are quite capable men who believe that they have been cheated by the jews, the immigrants, the government etc. It's not very different than young Islamist men, fundamentally.

Hi, young Islamist man speaking.

I don't feel cheated by anyone, I actually agree with the tenets Al-Islam has and want to see it implemented in a government. Please don't lump us all together.

[Diarcesia]

As I said I’ve never accused someone of being a Nazi on account of their whiteness. The only people I accuse of being Nazis or bigots or fascists are people who display that behaviour.

The problem is the people who you may believe are "bigots" or "fascists" may not in fact qualify as a "bigot" or a "fascist" let alone a nazi. All that's being suggested is that people not be so quick to use insulting labels that may not accurately reflect the beliefs of that individual. Because, in doing so, you're helping to expand the ranks of the groups you profess to hate by minimizing the criteria necessary to be labelled as one of its members and incentivizing people to be more open to the idea and beliefs of the groups you're associating them with ( if they're already being associated with that group by a large portion of the population, they having nothing to lose by immersing themselves in that community ).

The reason these things happen is that people believe that if they let that slide, the "bigot" or "fascist" will go further in the inevitable slide to a murderous rampage. Hence, the zealous measures done to arrest this tendency.

[Fedel]

The problem is the people who you may believe are "bigots" or "fascists" may not in fact qualify as a "bigot" or a "fascist" let alone a nazi. All that's being suggested is that people not be so quick to use insulting labels that may not accurately reflect the beliefs of that individual. Because, in doing so, you're helping to expand the ranks of the groups you profess to hate by minimizing the criteria necessary to be labelled as one of its members and incentivizing people to be more open to the idea and beliefs of the groups you're associating them with ( if they're already being associated with that group by a large portion of the population, they having nothing to lose by immersing themselves in that community ).

The reason these things happen is that people believe that if they let that slide, the "bigot" or "fascist" will go further in the inevitable slide to a murderous rampage. Hence, the zealous measures done to arrest this tendency.

If someone truly believes that calling another person a nazi or a bigot is going to help them be a better person, I don't know what to tell them. It's clearly not the case.

[West Leas Oros 2]

Rather than demonize identities for the actions of a radicalized minority, perhaps it would be more beneficial to judge someone by their actions? This is something ignored by almost all factions that utilize identity politics to further their interests. This demonization is what leads most people to reactionary ideology, and the only cure is solidarity and unity.

[Fedel]

I’ve been down this road before. It ends with someone going “maybe the Jews are to blame for society’s ills a little bit. How about Jews stop doing that so the poor misunderstood white nationalist terrorist don’t shoot up any more synagogues?” That is to say that you’re veering close to legitimizing the irrational hatred and conspiratorial nonsense that these people cite before killing innocents.

I really don't see how. I'm simply suggesting that most of the people who commit these acts ( barring the insane ones ) have their own illogical and/or immoral rationale behind why they do what they do and that understanding it can help us prevent acts like these from occurring in the future. Do you disagree? If so, I'd be curious to hear why.

They’ve given me no reason to. So no.

That's unfortunate. I feel like you're only harming yourself with that mindset.

[West Leas Oros 2]

Yes, it always has been. The Alt-right is white, nationalist fascism masquerading as people's politics. Sympathy for the Alt-right stems from ignorance and putting economic blame on the wrong people, whilst failing to address- let alone understand- the real problems we face.

I feel sorry for the young who fall into this mess, as I can understand how easy it can be to trip into it. After awhile though, you have to own your mistakes.

And since you can see the alienation that the Alt-Right thrives upon, do you suggest a course of action?

[Prydania]

I’ve been down this road before. It ends with someone going “maybe the Jews are to blame for society’s ills a little bit. How about Jews stop doing that so the poor misunderstood white nationalist terrorist don’t shoot up any more synagogues?” That is to say that you’re veering close to legitimizing the irrational hatred and conspiratorial nonsense that these people cite before killing innocents.

I really don't see how. I'm simply suggesting that most of the people who commit these acts ( barring the insane ones ) have their own illogical and/or immoral rationale behind why they do what they do and that understanding it can help us prevent acts like these from occurring in the future. Do you disagree? If so, I'd be curious to hear why.

I would say define "understanding." Looking into what causes an individual to embrace white nationalist ideology and the lies that go along with it is certainly helpful. It allows society to examine shortcomings and provide healthy ways for people to have their frustrations dealt with that don't involve believing everyone of certain minority groups needs to die.
There are two types of white nationalists. The ringleaders and followers. The ringleaders are the true believers. They're committed, no matter what. If eveyone else left the movement? They'd stay.
Followers, however, are very frustrated and angry people. And a society that cares for its disadvantaged to ensure that they aren't victims of alienation and frustration and anger will be better off.

Coddling people who have already committed themselves to killing innocents, however, and going on about how we need to understand the poor, misunderstood Nazi? F that.

That's unfortunate. I feel like you're only harming yourself with that mindset.

If someone tapdances up to the line of antisemitism? I'm not going to assume it was done out ignorance. In short? I don't have the luxury of that.

[-MAFDET-]

Example of white privilege being bullshit;

If something benefits both Asians and White people, why say it's white privilege? Isn't it more accurate to say it's Black disadvantage?

The examples of white privilege you bring up, ask yourself this;

Is it only whites benefitting from the example?

If not;
Would "Jewish privilege" be acceptable to you too? Along with a narrative about Jews similar to the one you advance for whites? What justification for the boundary you have chosen do you have?

Especially within the context of that kind of argument then supplying say, non-Jewish white people, the social capital to be racist to Jews and dismiss complaints about it because "Jewish privilege" and "Privilege+power", like Sarah Jeong, for instance.

I would ask you to name specific policies and social attitudes that explicitly work only to the advantage of Asian and white people. I can name one instance off the top of my head that is actually a subversion; a vastly smaller proportion of German and Italian Americans were detained by the US government in comparison to the Japanese-American populace. Certainly, the amount of Japanese-Americans versus Italian and German Americans had to pale in comparison. This observation, however, doesn't support the side of a racist. If the millions of German and Italian Americans living in the United States were innocuous during the war, why were the Japanese so callously detained?

Because they were not white. Even with war-time phobia, German and Italian Americans still had the privilege of being part of the in-group. Their temporary discrimination was not the same.

Jews do benefit from white privilege. Even when taking anthropological distinctions into account, Judaism is not a race but a religion. The same institutions which target people of color do not marginalize American Jews. Of course, in what is ostensibly an oxymoron, Jews are also the targets of white supremacists. Despite benefiting from the white system, they are also the subjects of dehumanizing conspiracy theories and hate crimes, like the one which took place in California so recently. Queer white people are also the subjects of hate and discrimination, but they too are the beneficiaries of the system by virtue of being white. So you see, it's possible to be white and still face discrimination, albeit for something other than the pigment of your skin.

I'll restate: white privilege does not mean that a white person will live a completely easy existence. The point is that white people benefit from the racial barriers that divide American society.

2. You're right and I misspoke. I meant to say Disproportionate police violence, not racial violence. It's late here. Half of all white people, men, suffer disproportionate violence too. Half of all black people suffer less violence than average, women.

This is shamefully wrong.

https://www.nyaprs.org/e-news-bulletins ... -black-men

"Across the country, black men are over three times more likely to be killed by police than white men, according to a study published Thursday in the American Journal of Public Health. In an analysis of all male homicides between 2012 and 2018, 8 percent occurred at the hands of police, researchers found.

Of nearly 6,300 reported deaths during the six-year count, almost 1,800 were black, researchers found. Police killings remained highest among black men across the United States, though the risk varies dramatically by region: In some Midwestern cities, rates of black men killed by police are eight times higher. Interestingly, nearly two-thirds of the reported killings were concentrated in suburbs and rural areas, lead author Frank Edwards said."


The data I provided in one of my previous quotations, which you apparently did not look at it, also proves you wrong.

https://policeviolencereport.org/

[Prydania]

My point being that all of these acts were terrible and should not have been carried out but that I believe you and I can agree that nobody should be subjected to unfair harassment or harassment based on things one can't control since it can contribute to these terrible acts occurring.

Yes, we can agree on that. Which is one of many reasons I have no sympathy for the people who shoot up synagogues.