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Fedel wrote:Just going to inform you that if you keep making obviously rhetorical posts meant to stir up conflict between people I'll have to take action.

Torrocca wrote:

Holy Tedalonia wrote:And we refer to genetic differences as different races.

... That's not how the concept of race works, and is again ignoring the fact that racialists arbitrarily define who is or isn't white or black or whatnot.

Skarten wrote:

Torrocca wrote:
You keep saying that word, but you still haven't proved how it's biased or even that it actually is biased. :^)

It's quite obviously biased. Let's do a quick test here. First, go to the Black Supremacy page and read the opening statements. Then, go to the white supremacist page and check the opening statements.

Skarten wrote:

Bezkoshtovnya wrote:And have utterly failed to show his that is the case.

Why don't you try to do the test i mentioned earlier?

The Greater Ohio Valley wrote:

Skarten wrote:
It's quite obviously biased. Let's do a quick test here. First, go to the Black Supremacy page and read the opening statements. Then, go to the white supremacist page and check the opening statements.

“Black supremacy or black supremacism is a racial supremacist belief which maintains that black people are superior to people of other races.”

“White supremacy or white supremacism is the racist belief that white people are superior to people of other races and therefore should be dominant over them”

They practically say the exact same thing.

Torrocca wrote:

Kragholm Free States wrote:
Well if it's all so arbitrarily defined and varies based on nothing more than the whims of racialists, how do you know any given group of white supremacists aren't actually supporting sub-saharan Africans?

... Because the white supremacists themselves define who they perceive as white and non-white?

It's a bunch of hocus pocus bullshit arbitrarily defined so they can put others down.

Skarten wrote:

-MAFDET- wrote:
What great historical crimes have black nations committed?

Countless genocides, selling people as slaves to quite literally everyone, etc, etc. You know, that kind of stuff.

Bezkoshtovnya wrote:

Skarten wrote:
Why don't you try to do the test i mentioned earlier?

Where you claimed that a source titled desthtowhitepeople.com isnt a reliable source? Yeah, still not seeing how that applies.

Fedel wrote:

Saiwania wrote:The issue I have with the Left is that they're undermining and ruining the civilization our forefathers built. It is the Leftists' fault if they're angering the Right too much. The far right is needed as a counter to the Communists and the Leftists that want change for change's sake.

Just going to inform you that if you keep making obviously rhetorical posts meant to stir up conflict between people I'll have to take action.

-MAFDET- wrote:

Skarten wrote:
Countless genocides, selling people as slaves to quite literally everyone, etc, etc. You know, that kind of stuff.

Except for when the countless wars that have plagued the African continent are the result of white colonialism, and the arbitrary assignment of borders with no regard for ethnic or cultural ties.

Skarten wrote:

-MAFDET- wrote:Except for when the countless wars that have plagued the African continent are the result of white colonialism, and the arbitrary assignment of borders with no regard for ethnic or cultural ties.

Ah, yes, because EVERYTHING is whitey's fault?

"Oh, sure we committed genocide, but it's the WHITEYS fault!"

Also, have you ever considered history doesn't start with the Scramble For Africa?

-MAFDET- wrote:

Skarten wrote:
Countless genocides, selling people as slaves to quite literally everyone, etc, etc. You know, that kind of stuff.

Except for when the countless wars that have plagued the African continent are the result of white colonialism, and the arbitrary assignment of borders with no regard for ethnic or cultural ties.

Skarten wrote:

Bezkoshtovnya wrote:Where you claimed that a source titled desthtowhitepeople.com isnt a reliable source? Yeah, still not seeing how that applies.

I don't think i could have it been made more clear that i didn't actually mean there was a site called deathtowhitepeople.com, but no, it's not that. The other one. about reading their double standards between their articles for white supremacy and black supremacy.

Kragholm Free States wrote:

Torrocca wrote:
... Because the white supremacists themselves define who they perceive as white and non-white?

It's a bunch of hocus pocus bullshit arbitrarily defined so they can put others down.

How do you know? Have you ever even spoken to a white supremacist, let alone all of them? Have they all given you their own detailed breakdown of who is and isn't considered white? Surely it must vary wildly based on their whims.

Holy Tedalonia wrote:

Torrocca wrote:
... That's not how the concept of race works, and is again ignoring the fact that racialists arbitrarily define who is or isn't white or black or whatnot.

Because we’ve done a terrible job classifying race. It’s not like we manage it or anything. Your arguement is basically,

“they’re arbitrarily defining the periodic table.”

“Then it is merely a social construct!”

Kragholm Free States wrote:

-MAFDET- wrote:Except for when the countless wars that have plagued the African continent are the result of white colonialism, and the arbitrary assignment of borders with no regard for ethnic or cultural ties.

They were selling off the prisoners they'd taken in inter-tribal conflicts long before Europeans tried to actually colonise their land. And, in fact, the forces of Islam were invading and colonising African land and taking slaves long before Europeans. So no, "white colonialism" isn't really a defence for the terrible deeds Skarten mentioned.

-MAFDET- wrote:

Skarten wrote:
Ah, yes, because EVERYTHING is whitey's fault?

"Oh, sure we committed genocide, but it's the WHITEYS fault!"

Also, have you ever considered history doesn't start with the Scramble For Africa?

The modern history of Africa did.

Bezkoshtovnya wrote:

Skarten wrote:
I don't think i could have it been made more clear that i didn't actually mean there was a site called deathtowhitepeople.com, but no, it's not that. The other one. about reading their double standards between their articles for white supremacy and black supremacy.

How does this affect the scholarly citations used in the article that state the alt right is built on concern of white nationalism?

Skarten wrote:

The Greater Ohio Valley wrote:
“Black supremacy or black supremacism is a racial supremacist belief which maintains that black people are superior to people of other races.”

“White supremacy or white supremacism is the racist belief that white people are superior to people of other races and therefore should be dominant over them”

They practically say the exact same thing.

Read a little bit further. You're nearly there!

-MAFDET- wrote:

Kragholm Free States wrote:
They were selling off the prisoners they'd taken in inter-tribal conflicts long before Europeans tried to actually colonise their land. And, in fact, the forces of Islam were invading and colonising African land and taking slaves long before Europeans. So no, "white colonialism" isn't really a defence for the terrible deeds Skarten mentioned.

It’s not a defense. I’m providing context.

Skarten wrote:

Bezkoshtovnya wrote:How does this affect the scholarly citations used in the article that state the alt right is built on concern of white nationalism?

He just linked an wikipedia page, that's it. No more, no less.

Skarten wrote:

Bezkoshtovnya wrote:How does this affect the scholarly citations used in the article that state the alt right is built on concern of white nationalism?

He just linked an wikipedia page, that's it. No more, no less.

Skarten wrote:

The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp wrote:
Actual nazis.

Example: People who believe that communism is a conspiracy concocted by bolshevik jews

Well, as much as that's a crackpot theory right there (One i've never really heard of), i don't think that's really enough to classify people as nazis. A lot of the people who the nazis hate might as well say the same. Being against jews is not just a nazi thing.

Torrocca wrote:

Kragholm Free States wrote:
How do you know? Have you ever even spoken to a white supremacist, let alone all of them? Have they all given you their own detailed breakdown of who is and isn't considered white? Surely it must vary wildly based on their whims.

It's like it's almost impossible to read manifestos, articles, or books written by white supremacists! Clearly, no, obviously the only true way to know how they determine who belongs to what race is to talk to them firsthand.

Kragholm Free States wrote:

-MAFDET- wrote:
It’s not a defense. I’m providing context.

White colonialism is not context for things that were happening centuries before white colonialism.

-MAFDET- wrote:

Skarten wrote:
Countless genocides, selling people as slaves to quite literally everyone, etc, etc. You know, that kind of stuff.

Except for when the countless wars that have plagued the African continent are the result of white colonialism, and the arbitrary assignment of borders with no regard for ethnic or cultural ties.