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Posted: **Mon Apr 29, 2019 2:10 pm**

Skarten wrote:
Bezkoshtovnya wrote:So....you are denouncing the source provided because it supports their claim....? What?

I'm saying that it's an bad source because it's completely biased.

Ok. Again explain how your perceived views of bias invalidates the information presented?

Are you suggesting bias is a lie?

Posted: **Mon Apr 29, 2019 2:10 pm**

LiberNovusAmericae wrote:
Torrocca wrote:
Sounds fine by me. Race is just a social construct, after all. :3

Nah, because even though race is just a social construct, taking pride as a group marginalized and oppressed for a specific trait or attribute (in this case, race) helps that group to overcome such things.

Nah. :3

Race is a biological fact. phenotypes differ slightly amongst various races.

That's because of genetic variation caused by environmental factors; it has nothing to do with "race". A colony of people with white skin, blue eyes, and blond hair in Sub-Sahara Africa who only breed among themselves are going to show a completely different phenotype over time as their genes mutate according to the environment. That's how the white skin color came to be, in fact. Through genetic mutations.

Posted: **Mon Apr 29, 2019 2:10 pm**

-MAFDET- wrote:
Skarten wrote:
I'm pretty sure it was on the UN's page. Or was it the EU?'s

It's a riddle for the ages. You don't even know what you're talking about.

How do i not?

It's quite literally on one of their pages. I just forgot which one.

Posted: **Mon Apr 29, 2019 2:11 pm**

Skarten wrote:
Bezkoshtovnya wrote:So....you are denouncing the source provided because it supports their claim....? What?

I'm saying that it's an bad source because it's completely biased.

You keep saying that word, but you still haven't proved how it's biased or even that it actually is biased. :^)

Posted: **Mon Apr 29, 2019 2:12 pm**

Posted: **Mon Apr 29, 2019 2:12 pm**

The Black Forrest wrote:
Skarten wrote:
I'm saying that it's an bad source because it's completely biased.

Ok. Again explain how your perceived views of bias invalidates the information presented?

Are you suggesting bias is a lie?

Well, i'm usually very hesitant to believe an statement whose source comes from an site DeathToWhitePeople.com, just like most people would be hesitant to believe an statement whose source comes from an site called IBlameTheJews.com

Posted: **Mon Apr 29, 2019 2:12 pm**

Amuaplye wrote:https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unite_the_Right_rally
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Colorado_ ... d_shooting
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oklahoma_City_bombing
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alan_Berg
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Copeland
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2009%E2%8 ... _shootings
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2016_Munich_shooting
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pittsburg ... e_shooting
https://www.nytimes.com/2019/04/29/us/s ... oting.html
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anders_Behring_Breivik
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trollh%C3 ... ool_attack
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murder_of_Jo_Cox
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/October_2 ... g_attempts
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jefferson ... r_shooting

"WiKiPeDiA iS BiAsEd!!1!"

Posted: **Mon Apr 29, 2019 2:13 pm**

Torrocca wrote:
LiberNovusAmericae wrote:Race is a biological fact. phenotypes differ slightly amongst various races.

That's because of genetic variation caused by environmental factors; it has nothing to do with "race". A colony of people with white skin, blue eyes, and blond hair in Sub-Sahara Africa who only breed among themselves are going to show a completely different phenotype over time as their genes mutate according to the environment. That's how the white skin color came to be, in fact. Through genetic mutations.

And we refer to genetic differences as different races.

Posted: **Mon Apr 29, 2019 2:13 pm**

Leon the Firm wrote:Antifa admitted that they don't shower weeks before they protest and get into the faces of normal people. They are the real terror threat.

Adam Morrison did this in the NBA still didn't make him effective at terrorizing the NBA.

Posted: **Mon Apr 29, 2019 2:13 pm**

Torrocca wrote:
Skarten wrote:
I'm saying that it's an bad source because it's completely biased.

You keep saying that word, but you still haven't proved how it's biased or even that it actually is biased. :^)

It's quite obviously biased. Let's do a quick test here. First, go to the Black Supremacy page and read the opening statements. Then, go to the white supremacist page and check the opening statements.

Posted: **Mon Apr 29, 2019 2:14 pm**

Torrocca wrote:
LiberNovusAmericae wrote:Race is a biological fact. phenotypes differ slightly amongst various races.

That's because of genetic variation caused by environmental factors; it has nothing to do with "race". A colony of people with white skin, blue eyes, and blond hair in Sub-Sahara Africa who only breed among themselves are going to show a completely different phenotype over time as their genes mutate according to the environment. That's how the white skin color came to be, in fact. Through genetic mutations.

That doesn't disprove anything. The races split from each other due to differences in envionment, causing genetic changes That's how the different races came to be.

Posted: **Mon Apr 29, 2019 2:14 pm**

Holy Tedalonia wrote:
Torrocca wrote:
That's because of genetic variation caused by environmental factors; it has nothing to do with "race". A colony of people with white skin, blue eyes, and blond hair in Sub-Sahara Africa who only breed among themselves are going to show a completely different phenotype over time as their genes mutate according to the environment. That's how the white skin color came to be, in fact. Through genetic mutations.

And we refer to genetic differences as different races.

... That's not how the concept of race works, and is again ignoring the fact that racialists arbitrarily define who is or isn't white or black or whatnot.

Posted: **Mon Apr 29, 2019 2:15 pm**

Skarten wrote:
Torrocca wrote:
You keep saying that word, but you still haven't proved how it's biased or even that it actually is biased. :^)

It's quite obviously biased. Let's do a quick test here. First, go to the Black Supremacy page and read the opening statements. Then, go to the white supremacist page and check the opening statements.

I explained the difference.

What a bizarre reality we live in, where declaring white supremacy to be the evil that it is is somehow a controversial statement.

Posted: **Mon Apr 29, 2019 2:16 pm**

Loben wrote:
The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp wrote:"OnLY OnE Or TWO CAsES Of MurDER Da ReaL EmAME Is ANfTa GuyZZZ!?!"

We get it, you sympathize with anarchshits.

None of your warnings or bans seem to have made any impression on you.

*** DEAT for trolling. ***

Posted: **Mon Apr 29, 2019 2:16 pm**

-MAFDET- wrote:
Skarten wrote:
It's quite obviously biased. Let's do a quick test here. First, go to the Black Supremacy page and read the opening statements. Then, go to the white supremacist page and check the opening statements.

I explained the difference.

What a bizarre reality we live in, where declaring white supremacy to be the evil that it is is somehow a controversial statement.

You sitll didn't awnser my questionings of this statement.

What a bizarre reality we live in, where only white people are attacked for the stuff they've done historically.

Posted: **Mon Apr 29, 2019 2:16 pm**

Torrocca wrote:
Holy Tedalonia wrote:And we refer to genetic differences as different races.

... That's not how the concept of race works, and is again ignoring the fact that racialists arbitrarily define who is or isn't white or black or whatnot.

Well if it's all so arbitrarily defined and varies based on nothing more than the whims of racialists, how do you know any given group of white supremacists aren't actually supporting sub-saharan Africans?

Posted: **Mon Apr 29, 2019 2:16 pm**

-Ocelot- wrote:I stumbled upon this article today: https://www.theglobeandmail.com/canada/ ... s-reveals/

An analysis of 150,000 chat room messages paints a picture of a group that is actively recruiting new members, buying weapons and trying to influence political parties

The article explains how members of the alt-right movement have organized into something most of us would call a terrorist movement if the perpetrators were not white and christian. According to the findings, these people, despite calling themselves an "alternative" right-wing group, appear to be nothing more than young neo-fascists who have adapted into 21st century life and have successfully influenced young people, including children.

My question to NSG is this: Is this the birth of a huge international terrorist movement? Will the world have to crackdown on these people eventually? And what can governments do to stop the resurgence of fascism for good?

My opinion is that the alt-right movement was going to become a terrorism organization eventually. From the very beginning, their beliefs were similar to 20th century fascism. In practice, they are fascists who pretend to be nice and concerned about the world, while leading young, frustrated men into committing terrorist acts. Under different circumstances, people would call them terrorists. To be stopped, governments must treat them like they treat radical Islamists and arrest the ones who play a pivotal role into organizing the whole thing.

I grow weary of the constant, ignorant allegation that the Alternative Right is a Fascist movement. It is not in any way remotely similar to Fascism; it is not "Fascism of the 21st Century"; it is not Fascistic. The Alternative Right is the true Far-Right - a label inappropriately applied to Futurist movements such as Fascism and National Socialism. It is the natural extreme of Conservatism and Traditionalism; it is inherently Reactionary. All you do is spread misinformation when you claim they are the same or even similar; all you are doing is trying to stoke fear by asserting a fictional connection to a long-time boogeyman of so-called 'Free World'.

The Alt-Right is a testament to the inherit decadence of the Right-wing, just as Communism is a testament to the inherit decadence of the Left-wing. In particular the Right-wing is a moral sickness; it is spiritless, materialistic, hateful. It is a cancerous tumor; a plague upon the world, just as Communism is. Were the original Fascist still alive to see this putrid monstrosity they would recoil in disgust for it represents everything wrong with the Right-wing that they tried to eradicate. I too, as a proud ideologue of Fascist Philosophy, look upon the Alt-Right with the same disgust as I do with Communism because they are the polar opposites of each other; the natural, logical extremes of their respective political spectrums.

The bizarre, illogical, ironic, and horrific admiration these Reactionaries have for Fascism and National Socialism is born out of supreme ignorance of both ideologies and their histories. They wrongly and incorrectly look at them as manifestations of the Right-wing because they have fallen in love with their aesthetic, lost faith in the free market, and find no appeal in Monarchism. So they have invented a new ideology that seeks to emulate ideologies that would have pursued their destruction because they are too blind to see the following facts:

1. The historical Futurist collaboration with Conservative groups was born out of necessity; had Futurism held more sway than Reactionary thought, they would have met the same fate as Liberals and Communists: expulsion, suppression, and extermination

2. Futurist ideologies are exactly that: Futurist. We are not Reactionary; we do not seek to return to times long past, or to glorify the ages of old, or to emulate the ancients and their ways. We seek to build a New Nation from the ashes of the Old - to create a better tomorrow; a better Future.

This conflation of Fascism and the Alt-Right is born out of the ignorance of Fascism perpetrated by biased histories by the victors of the Second World War, to which both the Alt-Right and their detractors fail to understand. The Alternative Right has no place in the Fascist State; it has no place in the Fascist Tomorrow. It is to be stamped out along with all other Right-wing and Left-wing ideologies and even those Futurist movements who fail to conform to Fascist philosophy.

I will repeat everything I have said here until it is firmly understood by all sides, and if that day never comes then I will still repeat it regardless. I will not abide by this ignorant grouping of my ideology and those of a similar strand with this degenerative movement.

And to address the direct concern voiced in the opening post: Yes, the Alt-Right's naturally stage is terrorism, the subversion of lawful authority, and violent civil unrest because - as I have already said before - it is the polar opposite of Communism; the same extreme, but on the opposite end of the political spectrum. As such, every tool of evil used by Communist 'revolutionaries' can and will be utilized by the Alternative Right's 'counterrevolutionaries'. We have already seen this in New Zealand, in San Diego, and elsewhere. It will continue until their violent, dangerous ideology is suppressed and silenced just as Communism was.

Posted: **Mon Apr 29, 2019 2:16 pm**

Skarten wrote:
Torrocca wrote:
You keep saying that word, but you still haven't proved how it's biased or even that it actually is biased. :^)

It's quite obviously biased. Let's do a quick test here. First, go to the Black Supremacy page and read the opening statements. Then, go to the white supremacist page and check the opening statements.

"Black supremacy or black supremacism is a racial supremacist belief which maintains that black people are superior to people of other races."

"White supremacy or white supremacism is the racist belief that white people are superior to people of other races and therefore should be dominant over them."

WOW, THAT'S SO BIASED. I'm literally shaking in my boots how could Wikipedia be so biased?! D:

LiberNovusAmericae wrote:
Torrocca wrote:
That's because of genetic variation caused by environmental factors; it has nothing to do with "race". A colony of people with white skin, blue eyes, and blond hair in Sub-Sahara Africa who only breed among themselves are going to show a completely different phenotype over time as their genes mutate according to the environment. That's how the white skin color came to be, in fact. Through genetic mutations.

That doesn't disprove anything. The races split from each other due to differences in envionment, causing genetic changes That's how the different races came to be.

That's, again, not how the concept of race works, though. Italians and Irish were arbitrarily excluded from being considered "white" the moment race came about as a concept.

Posted: **Mon Apr 29, 2019 2:17 pm**

Skarten wrote:
-MAFDET- wrote:
I explained the difference.

What a bizarre reality we live in, where declaring white supremacy to be the evil that it is is somehow a controversial statement.

You sitll didn't awnser my questionings of this statement.

What a bizarre reality we live in, where only white people are held accountable for the stuff they've done historically.

What great historical crimes have black nations committed?

Posted: **Mon Apr 29, 2019 2:17 pm**

Skarten wrote:
Bezkoshtovnya wrote:So....you are denouncing the source provided because it supports their claim....? What?

I'm saying that it's an bad source because it's completely biased.

And have utterly failed to show his that is the case.

Posted: **Mon Apr 29, 2019 2:17 pm**

Skarten wrote:
Torrocca wrote:
The Alt-Right movement fucking exists specifically because of white supremacism and is specifically built on it, jfc.

[Citation Needed]

"The alt-right, or alternative right, is a loosely connected far-right,[1] white nationalist movement. The term is ill-defined,[2] having been used in different ways by various groups and individuals. A largely online movement, the alt-right is found primarily in the United States, where it originated, although alt-rightists are also present elsewhere in the world. Constituent groups that associate with the "alt-right" label have been characterised as hate groups.[3][4]

In 2010, the American white nationalist Richard B. Spencer launched The Alternative Right webzine to disseminate his ideas. Spencer's "alternative right" was influenced by earlier forms of American white nationalism, as well as paleoconservatism, the Dark Enlightenment, and the Nouvelle Droite. His term was shortened to "alt-right" and popularised by far-right participants of /pol/, the politics board of web forum 4chan. It came to be associated with other white nationalist websites and groups, including Andrew Anglin's Daily Stormer, Brad Griffin's Occidental Dissent, and Matthew Heimbach's Traditionalist Worker Party. Following the 2013 Gamergate controversy, the alt-right made increasing use of trolling and online harassment as a tactic to raise its profile. In 2015 it attracted broader public attention, particularly through Steve Bannon's Breitbart News—which Bannon described as "the platform for the alt-right"[5]—due to alt-rightist support for Donald Trump's 2016 presidential campaign. On being elected, Trump disavowed the movement. Alt-rightists organised the 2017 Unite the Right rally, after which their movement began to decline amid anti-fascist opposition.

The alt-right is a white nationalist, racist movement. Part of its membership supports anti-immigrationist policies to ensure a continued white majority in the United States. Others call for the breakup of the country to form a white separatist ethno-state in North America. Some alt-rightists seek to make white nationalism socially respectable in the U.S., while others—known as the "1488" scene—adopt openly white supremacist and neo-Nazi stances. Some alt-rightists are anti-semitic, promoting a conspiracy theory that there is a Jewish plot to bring about white genocide; other alt-rightists view most Jews as members of the white race. The alt-right is anti-feminist, advocates for a more patriarchal society, and intersects with the men's rights movement and other sectors of the online manosphere. Alt-rightists generally support anti-interventionist and isolationist foreign policies alongside economic protectionism and thus criticise mainstream U.S. conservatism. Attitudes to social issues like homosexuality and abortion vary within the movement. Individuals aligned with many of the alt-right's ideas but not its white nationalism have been termed "alt-lite".

The alt-right distinguished itself from earlier forms of white nationalism through its largely online presence and its heavy use of irony and humor, particularly through the promotion of internet memes like Pepe the Frog. Membership was overwhelmingly white and male, with academic and anti-fascist observers linking its growth to deteriorating living standards and prospects, anxieties about the place of white masculinity, and anger at increasingly visible left-wing forms of identity politics like the Black Lives Matter movement. Alt-right online material has been identified as a contributing factor in the radicalization of young white men and linked to a range of far-right murders and terrorist attacks in the United States since 2014.[6][7][8] Opposition to the alt-right came from both leftists and conservatives."

Citation 1: Stack, Liam (August 15, 2017). "Alt-Right, Alt-Left, Antifa: A Glossary of Extremist Language". The New York Times. Retrieved March 3, 2019. The 'alt-right' is a racist, far-right movement based on an ideology of white nationalism and anti-Semitism.
"Explained: Alt-right, alt-light and militias in the US". Al Jazeera. October 12, 2017. Retrieved March 3, 2019. The alt-right is a loosely knit coalition of far-right groups that includes populists, white supremacists, white nationalists, neo-Confederates and neo-Nazis.
"Alt-Right". Southern Poverty Law Center. Retrieved February 10, 2018. The Alternative Right, commonly known as the Alt-Right, is a set of far-right ideologies, groups and individuals whose core belief is that 'white identity' is under attack by multicultural forces using 'political correctness' and 'social justice' to undermine white people and 'their' civilization.
Berger, J. M. (October 29, 2018). "Trump Is the Glue That Binds the Far Right". The Atlantic. Retrieved March 3, 2019. The alt-right bloc synchronizes activity that starts on the far-right edge of mainstream conservatism and continues through the far reaches of genocidal white supremacy.
Pitofsky, Marina (July 28, 2018). "What is the alt-right? And how is it using social media to spread its message?". USA TODAY. Retrieved March 3, 2019. The alt-right is a collection of far-right groups and people dedicated to "white ethnonationalism" in Western civilization, or the preservation of a white populace in Western countries.
2: "Mr. Spencer, however you describe him, calls himself a part of the 'alt-right' — a new term for an informal and ill-defined collection of internet-based radicals." Caldwell, Christopher Caldwell (December 2, 2016) "What the Alt-Right Really Means", The New York Times.
3: "Alt Right: A Primer about the New White Supremacy". Anti-Defamation League. Retrieved December 27, 2017.
4: "Alt-Right". Southern Poverty Law Center. Retrieved December 27, 2017.
5: Posner, Sarah (August 22, 2016). "How Donald Trump's New Campaign Chief Created an Online Haven for White Nationalists". Mother Jones. Retrieved November 13, 2016.
6: "The Alt-Right is Killing People". Southern Poverty Law Center. Retrieved February 5, 2018.
7: "ADL Report: White Supremacist Murders More Than Doubled in 2017". Retrieved January 26, 2018.
Citation 8: "White Supremacists Killed More Americans Last Year Than Any Other Domestic-Extremist Group". Defense One. Retrieved March 2, 2018.
Citations provided.

Posted: **Mon Apr 29, 2019 2:17 pm**

Kragholm Free States wrote:
Torrocca wrote:
... That's not how the concept of race works, and is again ignoring the fact that racialists arbitrarily define who is or isn't white or black or whatnot.

Well if it's all so arbitrarily defined and varies based on nothing more than the whims of racialists, how do you know any given group of white supremacists aren't actually supporting sub-saharan Africans?

... Because the white supremacists themselves define who they perceive as white and non-white?

It's a bunch of hocus pocus bullshit arbitrarily defined so they can put others down.

Posted: **Mon Apr 29, 2019 2:19 pm**

-MAFDET- wrote:
Skarten wrote:You sitll didn't awnser my questionings of this statement.

What a bizarre reality we live in, where only white people are held accountable for the stuff they've done historically.

What great historical crimes have black nations committed?

Countless genocides, selling people as slaves to quite literally everyone, etc, etc. You know, that kind of stuff.

Posted: **Mon Apr 29, 2019 2:19 pm**

Is the alt-right a terrorist movement? Nope. Has the far right committed violence currently and historically? Yup.

Posted: **Mon Apr 29, 2019 2:20 pm**

Bezkoshtovnya wrote:
Skarten wrote:
I'm saying that it's an bad source because it's completely biased.

And have utterly failed to show his that is the case.

Why don't you try to do the test i mentioned earlier?

NationStates

Alt-right. A terrorist movement in the making?