Alt-right. A terrorist movement in the making?

[Shanhwa]

ngl fam I've been on a roll absorbing every bit of info I can on different guerrilla warfare theories lately. I've been reading stuff from Mao, Che, the Red Army Faction, PIRA stuff, the National Socialist Liberation Front, Pierce's magazine articles detailing target acquisition and psyops etc etc. If you have any more suggestions shoot me my way.

Did the Viet Cong ever write anything down?

I wouldn’t use the Viet Cong as a source, tbh.

Most people are rather uninformed on the NVA in the Vietnam War. The PAVN was a very effective fighting force because they used tactics that went with their environment, they recruited from agrarian areas for people who would already be strong and more susceptible to Communist theology.

They used simple, reliable war material that was mobile and could easily be disassembled. Most of their training was political training.

But the Viet Cong are usually very exaggerated. The majority of kills on ARVN and USM forces were by the NVA, not Viet Cong. When the Viet Cong actually had to fight either force they usually failed miserably with massive casualties (See the Tet Offensive).

There was also a difference in thought between the two groups. The North saw humans as expendable: a means to an end. They didn’t take the risk US and ARVN soldiers took in running out and saving their comrades.

There’s a lot of reasons the NVA was effective. But the Viet Cong is normally very much exaggerated in their effectiveness.

[Hirota]

I love the alt right, for no other reason than they make the left look good in comparison.

Speaking as someone on the center-left in UK politics, no, they really don't.

If one looks like a turd, and smells like a turd, and the other looks like a turd and smells like a turd, all that happens is people see a lot of turds. I guess the people might get used to the smell eventually, but it's still two turds.

[Shanhwa]

I love the alt right, for no other reason than they make the left look good in comparison.

No they don’t lmao.

Far-left politics react to far-right actions in ways most people disagree with and won’t follow.

[West Leas Oros 2]

I love the alt right, for no other reason than they make the left look good in comparison.

No they don’t lmao.

Far-left politics react to far-right actions in ways most people disagree with and won’t follow.

If you´re referring to Antifa, they aren't really far left. Most are just radlibs and pseudo-socialist anarchists. Mostly, they don't have an ideology beyond "throw a tantrum and destroy things."

[Gormwood]

No they don’t lmao.

Far-left politics react to far-right actions in ways most people disagree with and won’t follow.

If you´re referring to Antifa, they aren't really far left. Most are just radlibs and pseudo-socialist anarchists. Mostly, they don't have an ideology beyond "throw a tantrum and destroy things."

But bike locks are deadlier than guns...

[West Leas Oros 2]

If you´re referring to Antifa, they aren't really far left. Most are just radlibs and pseudo-socialist anarchists. Mostly, they don't have an ideology beyond "throw a tantrum and destroy things."

But bike locks are deadlier than guns...

I don't see what guns have to do with this discussion. Whatever the case, antifa are a counter-revolutionary element, and most are in fact in favor of bourgeois policies when it fits their narrow worldview. None of them have an ounce of theory either, and for the most part, they're just LARPers embarrassing actual leftists.

[Gormwood]

But bike locks are deadlier than guns...

I don't see what guns have to do with this discussion. Whatever the case, antifa are a counter-revolutionary element, and most are in fact in favor of bourgeois policies when it fits their narrow worldview. None of them have an ounce of theory either, and for the most part, they're just LARPers embarrassing actual leftists.

You must have missed the popular meme here about Schroëdinger's Antifa, where bike lock wielding vandals are simultaneously sissies that will be gunned down effortlessly by Real Americans and the deadliest creatures in existence than can kill more people with bike locks than someone with a gun.

[Telconi]

Did the Viet Cong ever write anything down?

General Giap wrote an insurrection manual in 1962, I've been meaning to pick up a copy for a while now.

It's pretty good tbh. The Vietnamese were smart cookies.

[Telconi]

I don't see what guns have to do with this discussion. Whatever the case, antifa are a counter-revolutionary element, and most are in fact in favor of bourgeois policies when it fits their narrow worldview. None of them have an ounce of theory either, and for the most part, they're just LARPers embarrassing actual leftists.

You must have missed the popular meme here about Schroëdinger's Antifa, where bike lock wielding vandals are simultaneously sissies that will be gunned down effortlessly by Real Americans and the deadliest creatures in existence than can kill more people with bike locks than someone with a gun.

It's generally pretty easy to miss the pet theory you peddle if one doesn't have much contact with you.

[Amuaplye]

Amuaplye is debunking the argument that "there is no right-wing terrorism"

Its easy to debunk Strawman arguments no one made.
His list is an assortment of unaffiliated people that he categorizes as "alt-right" despite the fact that the most violent acts occurred before the term alt-right was even conceived of.
A Number are Random Murders that are claimed to have a racial motive
And the ones that are explicitely political don't profess an allegiance to an "altright" cause.

Which was the Original Claim of the OP that the "Alt-right" in itself was a terrorist movement or "one in the making"
The claim wasn't weather people who share beliefs with the right or alt-right can't be terrorists.

The post he responded to was to my response of someone claiming that all "Fascists" (read: anyone Marxists disagree with politically) want to commit Genocide, which is untrue. Then Amuaplye replied with a list of random "right wing" terrorists as proof that all right wingers endorse genocide?

But this is what Leftists do, they tailor their definitions and guilt by association so they can create a more convincing strawman.

Meanwhile a thousand people can get killed by Terrorists explicitly citing Islam as their motivation and say that it had nothing to do with Islam

That's definitely not what I said. Did I say anywhere on that list "Right-wingers endorse genocide"? Of course not.

[Thuzbekistan]

Have you ever considered that theres a reason the nation lasted so long under socialism? Yeah it was an authoritarian hell hole, but given that the USSR started by ripping a feudal society to shreds, what they achieved by WW2 was incredible.

1. The U.S. lasted much longer than the Soviet Union, so the latter does not deserve any credit for being long lasting.
2. Just because it tore into the Nazis in WWII does not mean it should be emulated.

What's the relevance of 1 and you missed the point on 2

[West Leas Oros 2]

I don't see what guns have to do with this discussion. Whatever the case, antifa are a counter-revolutionary element, and most are in fact in favor of bourgeois policies when it fits their narrow worldview. None of them have an ounce of theory either, and for the most part, they're just LARPers embarrassing actual leftists.

You must have missed the popular meme here about Schroëdinger's Antifa, where bike lock wielding vandals are simultaneously sissies that will be gunned down effortlessly by Real Americans and the deadliest creatures in existence than can kill more people with bike locks than someone with a gun.

Sure, that belief is stupid, but that doesn't mean antifa aren't absolute pieces of shit.

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You must have missed the popular meme here about Schroëdinger's Antifa, where bike lock wielding vandals are simultaneously sissies that will be gunned down effortlessly by Real Americans and the deadliest creatures in existence than can kill more people with bike locks than someone with a gun.

Sure, that belief is stupid, but that doesn't mean antifa aren't absolute pieces of shit.

What terrible people! How dare they face off with nazis who have a long track record of literally murdering people.

[LiberNovusAmericae]

Sure, that belief is stupid, but that doesn't mean antifa aren't absolute pieces of shit.

What terrible people! How dare they face off with nazis who have a long track record of literally murdering people.

They don't have to murder people to be a problem, and they attack more than fascists. They're better than the alt-right, but that's an extremely low bar.

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What terrible people! How dare they face off with nazis who have a long track record of literally murdering people.

They don't have to murder people to be a problem, and they attack more than fascists. They're better than the alt-right, but that's an extremely low bar.

I have still not seen definitive proof that antifa has ever done harm to an innocent person.

[Seges]

I haven't seen any attempt of murder from the right and I would like it if you proved or provided any instances where that did indeed happen.

Do the Christchurch Mosque or the Pittsburgh or Poway synagogue shootings count? The last one happened like... less than two weeks ago.

Those aren't deliberately planned out in a group it's just some crazies going off and killing people, not a big group of people going and storming a town.

[LiberNovusAmericae]

They don't have to murder people to be a problem, and they attack more than fascists. They're better than the alt-right, but that's an extremely low bar.

I have still not seen definitive proof that antifa has ever done harm to an innocent person.

Well, this liberal got assaulted for an American flag, and when Unite The Right fizzled out, they harassed reporters.

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Do the Christchurch Mosque or the Pittsburgh or Poway synagogue shootings count? The last one happened like... less than two weeks ago.

Those aren't deliberately planned out in a group it's just some crazies going off and killing people, not a big group of people going and storming a town.

Google 'stochastic terrorism.'

For those who won't bother, I will explain one more time. Those on the alt right who want to see terrorism done against Muslims, Jews, etc. incite millions of people, knowing that for every 999,999 people who won't do anything except hide behind a keyboard, one person will act. It is a tactic and it has been used by Daesh/ISIS as well as the far right.

[North German Realm]

Do the Christchurch Mosque or the Pittsburgh or Poway synagogue shootings count? The last one happened like... less than two weeks ago.

Those aren't deliberately planned out in a group it's just some crazies going off and killing people, not a big group of people going and storming a town.

While that's decidedly wrong (The Far-Right, for a group of authoritarians planning on implementing a totalitarian ethno-state, are surprisingly adept at employing grass-roots organizational skills. There needs to be no "Fuhrer" to plan everything, when the far-right can -by influencing unknowing third-party or by general concensus- decide on an activity), it is also -and more importantly- moving the goalposts. You asked "I haven't seen any attempt of murder from "the right" and I would like it if oyu proved or provided any instances where that did indeed happen", and I provided three examples. I would provide more, but given each of these was a decided act of terrorism done by the Alt-Right on the public society, each with multiple fatalities, I shouldn't have to.

[West Leas Oros 2]

Sure, that belief is stupid, but that doesn't mean antifa aren't absolute pieces of shit.

What terrible people! How dare they face off with nazis who have a long track record of literally murdering people.

If only that's what they actually did... oh wait... they don't. They're glorified street criminals and edgy LARPers. Then again, what can you expect?

[Seges]

Those aren't deliberately planned out in a group it's just some crazies going off and killing people, not a big group of people going and storming a town.

Google 'stochastic terrorism.'

For those who won't bother, I will explain one more time. Those on the alt right who want to see terrorism done against Muslims, Jews, etc. incite millions of people, knowing that for every 999,999 people who won't do anything except hide behind a keyboard, one person will act. It is a tactic and it has been used by Daesh/ISIS as well as the far right.

oh yeah, I agree it's just that the coordination of the alt-right is really bad and that makes it a flayed terrorist movement.

[Seges]

Those aren't deliberately planned out in a group it's just some crazies going off and killing people, not a big group of people going and storming a town.

While that's decidedly wrong (The Far-Right, for a group of authoritarians planning on implementing a totalitarian ethno-state, are surprisingly adept at employing grass-roots organizational skills. There needs to be no "Fuhrer" to plan everything, when the far-right can -by influencing unknowing third-party or by general concensus- decide on an activity), it is also -and more importantly- moving the goalposts. You asked "I haven't seen any attempt of murder from "the right" and I would like it if oyu proved or provided any instances where that did indeed happen", and I provided three examples. I would provide more, but given each of these was a decided act of terrorism done by the Alt-Right on the public society, each with multiple fatalities, I shouldn't have to.

I concede the point about attacks as it has been brought up to me and now I am claiming that it won't become a terrorist movement or at least a major one as the coordination is really bad and people on the right, in general, like to take the legs out from underneath each other.

[MeinKrafft]

Most alt-righters don't have the energy to leave their mother's basement, let alone commit acts of terror. But - the radicalization of people through the internet, whether it be with the alt-right or an actual terror group, it poses a lot of issues. It is undeniable that many attacks in the last year had radicalized alt-right perpetrators, which is a major cause for concern.

The best thing that concerned people can do is deprive the far/alt-right of oxygen and de-legitimize their "platforms" and reprehensible ideologies through clear, concise and sound logic.

Don't forget that most of them are still young and, more often than not, frustrated with their lives. They are quite capable men who believe that they have been cheated by the jews, the immigrants, the government etc. It's not very different than young Islamist men, fundamentally.

What you propose could work. Some platforms like Facebook have been doing exactly that in an effort to keep these terrorists-in-the-making away.

Okay, so what you are saying is, that because you cannot defeat them with logic and reason, you must cut them off of social media platforms? Whatever happened to the "marketplace of ideas"? People turn "alt-right" because they listen to the ideas, listen to the critiques, and realize that they are correct in both their criticism of current political, social, and cultural issues, and that they are the only ones with a plausible correction to these grievances other than, "shut up whitey"

[Kowani]

Don't forget that most of them are still young and, more often than not, frustrated with their lives. They are quite capable men who believe that they have been cheated by the jews, the immigrants, the government etc. It's not very different than young Islamist men, fundamentally.

What you propose could work. Some platforms like Facebook have been doing exactly that in an effort to keep these terrorists-in-the-making away.

Okay, so what you are saying is, that because you cannot defeat them with logic and reason, you must cut them off of social media platforms? Whatever happened to the "marketplace of ideas"? People turn "alt-right" because they listen to the ideas, listen to the critiques, and realize that they are correct in both their criticism of current political, social, and cultural issues, and that they are the only ones with a plausible correction to these grievances other than, "shut up whitey"

The only place where the marketplace of ideas has existed is Ancient Greece.

[Shanhwa]

No they don’t lmao.

Far-left politics react to far-right actions in ways most people disagree with and won’t follow.

If you´re referring to Antifa, they aren't really far left. Most are just radlibs and pseudo-socialist anarchists. Mostly, they don't have an ideology beyond "throw a tantrum and destroy things."

I’m not referring to Antifa. I’m talking of sporadic and varied far-leftist parties’ and individuals’ reactions to the actions of the “alt-right”.