Alt-right. A terrorist movement in the making?

[Kragholm Free States]

Nah, just very charitable. Jesus didn't force everyone else to feed and heal people for free, did he?

When did anyone force everyone to feed and treat people for free at any point in a democratically elected leftwing government though? I don't see the Nordic countries (Social democratic to their core) being a literal Hoxhaist dictatorship where nobody can go in or out and politics are done through the barrel of a gun. Hyperbolics gonna hyperbole.

What are taxes? What happens to you if you refuse to pay them?

How directly the gun barrel is applied varies greatly from state to state. Make no mistake, it's always lurking there somewhere.

[The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp]

Care to explain the justification for murdering people peacefully worshipping in synagogues and mosques?

I cant cause I dont see it as justified, my point is simply that the people who do it see themselves and others as justified in using violence to advance their ideals.... Its all about perspective

They are wrong.

The people who are doing it are wrong from an objective standpoint.

[Prydania]

Care to explain the justification for murdering people peacefully worshipping in synagogues and mosques?

I cant cause I dont see it as justified, my point is simply that the people who do it see themselves and others as justified in using violence to advance their ideals.... Its all about perspective

That's a hogwash argument though. The person who commits a heinous crime is not justified just because they think they are in their twisted world view.

[Sapientia Et Bellum]

Yeah, they were.... Whats your point? My argument still stands, terrorism is in the eye of the beholder

That's full of shit. This isn't a grey and grey war. Fascists are the scum of the Earth, and deserve to be treated no less. You sound like a Centrist who, in the interest of keeping things "fair", gives a voice to people who don't deserve one and ends up parroting reactionary rubbish.

I just believe that both sides are equally shit.... Communists have still commited more historical atrocities than "the alt right" or other Fascist movements... they are equally horrible.... but then again, I fully believe that people like you have encouraged others to hang the rich.... Violence is only ever ok in someones eyes if it brings about their own individual goals and thats honestly bullshit

[Sapientia Et Bellum]

I cant cause I dont see it as justified, my point is simply that the people who do it see themselves and others as justified in using violence to advance their ideals.... Its all about perspective

That's a hogwash argument though. The person who commits a heinous crime is not justified just because they think they are in their twisted world view.

Did I say they were justified?

[Sapientia Et Bellum]

That's full of shit. This isn't a grey and grey war. Fascists are the scum of the Earth, and deserve to be treated no less. You sound like a Centrist who, in the interest of keeping things "fair", gives a voice to people who don't deserve one and ends up parroting reactionary rubbish.

I agree.

Fascists are to me, outright evil and should be watched.

So should Communists, stop playing one side

[-MAFDET-]

That's full of shit. This isn't a grey and grey war. Fascists are the scum of the Earth, and deserve to be treated no less. You sound like a Centrist who, in the interest of keeping things "fair", gives a voice to people who don't deserve one and ends up parroting reactionary rubbish.

I just believe that both sides are equally shit.... Communists have still commited more historical atrocities than "the alt right" or other Fascist movements... they are equally horrible.... but then again, I fully believe that people like you have encouraged others to hang the rich.... Violence is only ever ok in someones eyes if it brings about their own individual goals and thats honestly bullshit

People like me? What people? I'm not a Communist, and I never indicated that I am.

Sorry man, but Marxists aren't the ones advocating for genocide. This fight isn't as nuanced as you seem to think it is.

[Gormwood]

When did anyone force everyone to feed and treat people for free at any point in a democratically elected leftwing government though? I don't see the Nordic countries (Social democratic to their core) being a literal Hoxhaist dictatorship where nobody can go in or out and politics are done through the barrel of a gun. Hyperbolics gonna hyperbole.

What are taxes? What happens to you if you refuse to pay them?

How directly the gun barrel is applied varies greatly from state to state. Make no mistake, it's always lurking there somewhere.

"Render Unto Caesar What Is Caesar's, And Render Unto God What Is God's." Sure sounds like Jesus telling everyone to pay their taxes.

[Prydania]

That's a hogwash argument though. The person who commits a heinous crime is not justified just because they think they are in their twisted world view.

Did I say they were justified?

No, but you're saying their perspective is one to consider, and it really isn't. Of course the person who shoots up a synagogue or mosque thinks they're the hero, but that person is clearly deranged. Normal people don't go "well we should consider the cold blooded murderer's point of view" because normal people recognize that the cold blooded murder is out of their f'ing mind.

[Prydania]

So should Communists, stop playing one side

Cool story. Thread's not about communism. It's about a broad social-political movement that's spawned numerous domestic terrorists across the west who have targeted ethnic and religious minorities.

Your flaw is your assumption that anyone who has an issue with the far right MUST be a leftist sympathetic to communism. And no man, just no. Communism is a failed abomination of an ideology but you know what? That's not what we're talking about right now.

[Sapientia Et Bellum]

Did I say they were justified?

No, but you're saying their perspective is one to consider, and it really isn't. Of course the person who shoots up a synagogue or mosque thinks they're the hero, but that person is clearly deranged. Normal people don't go "well we should consider the cold blooded murderer's point of view" because normal people recognize that the cold blooded murder is out of their f'ing mind.

Understanding the murderers point of view is the only way you will understand how to stop the murder besides using violence yourself... Since when did extensive research into why someone did something and believed they were justified in order to stop the future spread of violent ideologies become a bad thing?

[Kowani]

I cant cause I dont see it as justified, my point is simply that the people who do it see themselves and others as justified in using violence to advance their ideals.... Its all about perspective

That's a hogwash argument though. The person who commits a heinous crime is not justified just because they think they are in their twisted world view.

Moral nihilism for the win!

[Sapientia Et Bellum]

Im just saying that terrorism isnt terrorism to those who believe in it and its worthwhile to do a deep dive into why they believe they are justified cause usually its a whole lot fucking more than just "batshit insane".... No political mass murderer has done it under reason of insanity, they have a point that they want to make and we gotta entertain that point whether we like it or not.... we are doomed to repeat the 1930s if we ignore these individuals and dont try to figure out why they are doing what they are doing

[-MAFDET-]

No, but you're saying their perspective is one to consider, and it really isn't. Of course the person who shoots up a synagogue or mosque thinks they're the hero, but that person is clearly deranged. Normal people don't go "well we should consider the cold blooded murderer's point of view" because normal people recognize that the cold blooded murder is out of their f'ing mind.

Understanding the murderers point of view is the only way you will understand how to stop the murder besides using violence yourself... Since when did extensive research into why someone did something and believed they were justified in order to stop the future spread of violent ideologies become a bad thing?

There already is extensive research. The rise of the Alt-Right is by and large the result of white privilege's decline. White people, particularly men, are having to come to terms with society becoming increasingly less tailored to support them above all other groups. The hateful rhetoric of our President gives a voice to these bottled up feelings.

And no, I'm not saying ALL white people are like this.

[Kragholm Free States]

What are taxes? What happens to you if you refuse to pay them?

How directly the gun barrel is applied varies greatly from state to state. Make no mistake, it's always lurking there somewhere.

"Render Unto Caesar What Is Caesar's, And Render Unto God What Is God's." Sure sounds like Jesus telling everyone to pay their taxes.

Yes, because otherwise Caesar's men with swords would come and kill all his followers.

Jesus is not demanding they pay taxes to him so that he can continue to feed and heal people free of charge, is he?

[Zizou]

Everything that's taken to an idiotic level of extreme has the potential to become a terrorist movement.

[The Lone Alliance]

I haven’t used 4chan for a while and do you actually know what they have to say about this or are you straw manning.

I'm not strawmanning.

If not 4chan then 8chan. Or some other echo chamber.

Your statements are just more proof that Kojima was right.

I half wonder if the reason the Alt RIght took over the chans was because they were banned from everywhere.

I mean the internet has always had a handful of racist troll types on every website, that did change around the early 2010s, which I partly blame from the rise of Safe space culture.

If you think about it NSG is an outlier when it comes to political arguments, we actually allow alt right types to (within limits) debate.

[Prydania]

No, but you're saying their perspective is one to consider, and it really isn't. Of course the person who shoots up a synagogue or mosque thinks they're the hero, but that person is clearly deranged. Normal people don't go "well we should consider the cold blooded murderer's point of view" because normal people recognize that the cold blooded murder is out of their f'ing mind.

Understanding the murderers point of view is the only way you will understand how to stop the murder besides using violence yourself... Since when did extensive research into why someone did something and believed they were justified in order to stop the future spread of violent ideologies become a bad thing?

As I said in the thread dedicated to the recent synagogue shooting? This is exactly the argument Justin Trudeau put forward when he said we needed to "understand" radical Islamic terrorists. And many Tory voters, myself included, found that response to be utterly limp-wristed and ineffective. So to see people on the right advocating that very same position for white nationalist terrorists is both sad and amusing.

[Bezkoshtovnya]

Time be honest I dont really understand the concept of pride in just "being white". Taking a measure in some sort of civic pride in a cultural background (like being proud of ones Scottish, or Polish backgroundfor instance) I can understand, but what is the point of taking generic pride in ones skin color? That to me is the difference between black pride and white pride. Black pride deals with the culture and ethnic background of African-Americans and taking pride in this distinct cultural and ethnic back ground and not just simply about race, while white pride is essentially just taking pride in your race in a generic sense.

That's the kicker, isn't it? White nationalists like to talk about the lack of pride there is for a white person's sense of ethnicity but that's easily proven false. Polish, Scottish, Irish, Italian, Dutch, German, Greek, etc... cultural festivals are a dime a dozen in the US and Canada. You want to experience your ethnic background? There are ways to do it that don't involve genocidal politics/advocating violence against ethnic minorities.

Indeed. It is almost as if it has very little to do with personal pride in ones background, and it is actually more about racial superiority than anything else.

[Czechoslovakia and Zakarpattia]

When did anyone force everyone to feed and treat people for free at any point in a democratically elected leftwing government though? I don't see the Nordic countries (Social democratic to their core) being a literal Hoxhaist dictatorship where nobody can go in or out and politics are done through the barrel of a gun. Hyperbolics gonna hyperbole.

What are taxes? What happens to you if you refuse to pay them?

How directly the gun barrel is applied varies greatly from state to state. Make no mistake, it's always lurking there somewhere.

If there are no taxes at all, then you can never hope to pay down the ever so accumulating debt for all the military, financial, social, educational, infrastructural, and diplomatic initiatives and programmes that come with human civilization, short of destroying every single government apparatus there is and instituting a Ancapistani utopia. Don't the conservatives wanna balance the budget and prevent any needless debt? If so, you need to find a way to get the money to get a good surplus. It's simple. Even the Being Libertarian (A stopped clock is right twice a day) blog acknowledges that taxation is not theft:
https://beinglibertarian.com/taxation-not-theft/

[Communist Zombie Horde]

I’m not anti-Christian but I hate the Christians who make religion and excuse for supporting socialism and promoting left wing ideas as well as helping illegals across the border.

We are upset with you too, racist.

We despise your views.

So now I’m a racist because I’m not a leftist

[Czechoslovakia and Zakarpattia]

Understanding the murderers point of view is the only way you will understand how to stop the murder besides using violence yourself... Since when did extensive research into why someone did something and believed they were justified in order to stop the future spread of violent ideologies become a bad thing?

As I said in the thread dedicated to the recent synagogue shooting? This is exactly the argument Justin Trudeau put forward when he said we needed to "understand" radical Islamic terrorists. And many Tory voters, myself included, found that response to be utterly limp-wristed and ineffective. So to see people on the right advocating that very same position for white nationalist terrorists is both sad and amusing.

Murderers are not negotiated with. They are punished.

[Communist Zombie Horde]

"MuH 10000000000 GoRillion dead bodies from creepy evllulz luvdeeztsz"
Asides from Rosa Luxembourg, I never saw a social democrat kill anyone in human history. Maybe you are conflating Stalinism and Leninism with the Left as a whole?

>Holodomor
>Pol Pot
>China

Lol what the fuck. You're just acting like a commie. As a fellow socdem you disgust me acting that way, ignoring facts.

Can’t ask a commie to talk about the largest murders ever

[Kragholm Free States]

What are taxes? What happens to you if you refuse to pay them?

How directly the gun barrel is applied varies greatly from state to state. Make no mistake, it's always lurking there somewhere.

If there are no taxes at all, then you can never hope to pay down the ever so accumulating debt for all the military, financial, social, educational, infrastructural, and diplomatic initiatives and programmes that come with human civilization, short of destroying every single government apparatus there is and instituting a Ancapistani utopia. Don't the conservatives wanna balance the budget and prevent any needless debt? If so, you need to find a way to get the money to get a good surplus. It's simple. Even the Being Libertarian (A stopped clock is right twice a day) blog acknowledges that taxation is not theft:
https://beinglibertarian.com/taxation-not-theft/

It is theft in that it is confiscation of property under duress. Now, I don't oppose some degree of taxation, for the simple reason that at some point practicality must override principle and there are crucial things that need to be paid for somehow. All I was arguing is that charity should not be conflated with socialism, as it all too often seems to be by socialists.

[Sapientia Et Bellum]

As I said in the thread dedicated to the recent synagogue shooting? This is exactly the argument Justin Trudeau put forward when he said we needed to "understand" radical Islamic terrorists. And many Tory voters, myself included, found that response to be utterly limp-wristed and ineffective. So to see people on the right advocating that very same position for white nationalist terrorists is both sad and amusing.

Murderers are not negotiated with. They are punished.

Lol, hang the rich right?

Anyways I do agree, jail all revolutionaries regardless of ideals