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Postby -MAFDET- » Mon Apr 29, 2019 2:48 pm

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I don’t see your point. Not only were Europeans adept at colonizing other civilizations, but they were also highly proficient at murdering each other. Here’s a fantastical scenario; imagine that some non-white empire across the sea had developed maritime technology advanced enough to reach Europe, and began their own slave trade. Are the Europeans in this fantasy world at fault for having something done to them that they have committed against each other for centuries?

To place the fault for slavery on the backs of black collaborators rather than the white Europeans who orchestrated the slave trade in the first place is a way of deflecting responsibility.


They didn't orchestrate it. The Arabs got to that first, last time i checked.


The Atlantic Slave Trade was the product of European empires, my man. That is basic history.
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Postby Kragholm Free States » Mon Apr 29, 2019 2:48 pm

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White colonialism is not context for things that were happening centuries before white colonialism.


I don’t see your point. Not only were Europeans adept at colonizing other civilizations, but they were also highly proficient at murdering each other. Here’s a fantastical scenario; imagine that some non-white empire across the sea had developed maritime technology advanced enough to reach Europe, and began their own slave trade. Are the Europeans in this fantasy world at fault for having something done to them that they have committed against each other for centuries?

To place the fault for slavery on the backs of black collaborators rather than the white Europeans who orchestrated the slave trade in the first place is a way of deflecting responsibility.


If some non-white empire across the sea had developed maritime technology advanced enough to reach Europe and began their own slave trade, they would be morally wrong for doing so. If Europeans had been enslaving each other for centuries before this non-white empire arrived, and then started selling their own slaves to the non-white empire, the Europeans in this scenario would also be morally wrong.

As I said, the actions of colonists do not absolve nor even provide context for the actions of the colonised before they were colonised.
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Postby Skarten » Mon Apr 29, 2019 2:48 pm

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No, you didn't. And repeating, saying that you won an argument does not mean you won the argument.


Yes we did. It's not my fault you're angry at a source for percieved biases and now you're angry because you were proven wrong.


No, you didn't. You still have done nothing but say "just go and search for the sources yourself bruh lol"

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Postby Torrocca » Mon Apr 29, 2019 2:49 pm

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Yes we did. It's not my fault you're angry at a source for percieved biases and now you're angry because you were proven wrong.


No, you didn't. You still have done nothing but say "just go and search for the sources yourself bruh lol"


Hun, you got a source which you've spent the past several pages merely crying about being biased and doing nothing else to refute the point being made. Facts don't care about your feelings.
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Postby Kragholm Free States » Mon Apr 29, 2019 2:49 pm

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They didn't orchestrate it. The Arabs got to that first, last time i checked.


The Atlantic Slave Trade was the product of European empires, my man. That is basic history.


We're not talking about the Atlantic Slave Trade specifically, we're talking about slavery in general. Slavery doesn't become more or less evil because there's an ocean involved.
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Postby Costa Fierro » Mon Apr 29, 2019 2:50 pm

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So then perhaps most of your post was a bit...lacking?

If you want me to write a thesis on every post I make then at least give me a scholarship.


I'm not asking you to write a thesis, I'm asking you to share what you think multiple factors are.
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Postby Bear Stearns » Mon Apr 29, 2019 2:51 pm

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Skarten wrote:You sitll didn't awnser my questionings of this statement.

What a bizarre reality we live in, where only white people are held accountable for the stuff they've done historically.


What great historical crimes have black nations committed?


Slave trade, numerous genocides against other blacks, several attempted genocides of Arabs, the usual.
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Postby Skarten » Mon Apr 29, 2019 2:51 pm

-MAFDET- wrote:
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They didn't orchestrate it. The Arabs got to that first, last time i checked.


The Atlantic Slave Trade was the product of European empires, my man. That is basic history.


The atlantic slave trade kinda,but it's dumb to think that was the only slave trade route, or even the only trade route in africa. Or the first one. Or the last.
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Postby Bear Stearns » Mon Apr 29, 2019 2:51 pm

-MAFDET- wrote:
Skarten wrote:
They didn't orchestrate it. The Arabs got to that first, last time i checked.


The Atlantic Slave Trade was the product of European empires, my man. That is basic history.


It was begun by Arabs and blacks, and then the Portuguese expanded it.
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Postby The Black Forrest » Mon Apr 29, 2019 2:51 pm

Skarten wrote:
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The Atlantic Slave Trade was the product of European empires, my man. That is basic history.


The atlantic slave trade yes, but it's dumb to think that was the only slave trade route, or even the only trade route in africa. Or the first one. Or the last.


Where did he suggest it was the only slave trade?
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Postby Armed republic of clowns » Mon Apr 29, 2019 2:51 pm

-MAFDET- wrote:
Skarten wrote:
They didn't orchestrate it. The Arabs got to that first, last time i checked.


The Atlantic Slave Trade was the product of European empires, my man. That is basic history.


Slave trade implies a transaction at the beginning.

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Postby Gormwood » Mon Apr 29, 2019 2:53 pm

Skarten wrote:
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If you read Mein Kampf, you would know that is what Hitler thought of communism.


Can't get much more nazi then Mein Kampf.


Read my statements. Not everyone who's against jews is an nazi. I mean, last time i checked a lot of Muslims are pretty anti-jew, but are they considered nazis

I remember an old bullshit meme about some Palestinian imam who supposedly talked Hitler into going through with the Holocaust as if the Nazis were content to leave Jews alone beforehands without Muslim encoragement. And that imam is frequently cited as proof of Muslims being Nazi allies.
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Postby Badb Catha » Mon Apr 29, 2019 2:53 pm

-MAFDET- wrote:
Kragholm Free States wrote:
White colonialism is not context for things that were happening centuries before white colonialism.


I don’t see your point. Not only were Europeans adept at colonizing other civilizations, but they were also highly proficient at murdering each other. Here’s a fantastical scenario; imagine that some non-white empire across the sea had developed maritime technology advanced enough to reach Europe, and began their own slave trade. Are the Europeans in this fantasy world at fault for having something done to them that they have committed against each other for centuries?

To place the fault for slavery on the backs of black collaborators rather than the white Europeans who orchestrated the slave trade in the first place is a way of deflecting responsibility.


It is incorrect to say Europeans "orchestrated" the slave trade that had already existed for centuries before European arrival. Africans were selling each other into slavery for ages; most often to Arabs. Europe merely expanded the already existing slave trade to encompass their colonies in the New World - they did not create it.
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Postby Skarten » Mon Apr 29, 2019 2:53 pm

The Black Forrest wrote:
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The atlantic slave trade yes, but it's dumb to think that was the only slave trade route, or even the only trade route in africa. Or the first one. Or the last.


Where did he suggest it was the only slave trade?


He suggested it by acting like White people are the ones who orchestrated the African slave trade. Which isn't true.

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Postby Skarten » Mon Apr 29, 2019 2:55 pm

Armed republic of clowns wrote:
-MAFDET- wrote:
The Atlantic Slave Trade was the product of European empires, my man. That is basic history.


Slave trade implies a transaction at the beginning.


I don't know if this is what you're talking about, but it was a trade. The Africans sold slaves to the europeans. I mean, what did you think that happened? That Europeans began on to hunt blacks planet of the apes style?

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Postby Bear Stearns » Mon Apr 29, 2019 2:55 pm

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Read my statements. Not everyone who's against jews is an nazi. I mean, last time i checked a lot of Muslims are pretty anti-jew, but are they considered nazis

I remember an old bullshit meme about some Palestinian imam who supposedly talked Hitler into going through with the Holocaust as if the Nazis were content to leave Jews alone beforehands without Muslim encoragement. And that imam is frequently cited as proof of Muslims being Nazi allies.


I think it was more to highlight antisemitism in the Muslim world, not that Arabs are actually Nazis. That being said, many Ba'athists expressed admiration for Hitler.
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Postby Esternial » Mon Apr 29, 2019 2:55 pm

Costa Fierro wrote:
Esternial wrote:If you want me to write a thesis on every post I make then at least give me a scholarship.


I'm not asking you to write a thesis, I'm asking you to share what you think multiple factors are.

Don't quite know. I haven't delved into the subject at all, so I won't pretend I can adequately analyse everything contributing to a fostering of extremist and hateful mindsets in far-left and far-right individuals.

I'm fairly convinced disproportionately high expectations in young people is a contributor.

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Postby Armed republic of clowns » Mon Apr 29, 2019 2:56 pm

Skarten wrote:
Armed republic of clowns wrote:
Slave trade implies a transaction at the beginning.


I don't know if this is what you're talking about, but it was a trade. The Africans sold slaves to the europeans. I mean, what did you think that happened? That Europeans began on to hunt blacks planet of the apes style?

Might’ve been a mix of both?

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Postby Nakena » Mon Apr 29, 2019 2:56 pm

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I grow weary of the constant, ignorant allegation that the Alternative Right is a Fascist movement. It is not in any way remotely similar to Fascism; it is not "Fascism of the 21st Century"; it is not Fascistic. The Alternative Right is the true Far-Right - a label inappropriately applied to Futurist movements such as Fascism and National Socialism. It is the natural extreme of Conservatism and Traditionalism; it is inherently Reactionary. All you do is spread misinformation when you claim they are the same or even similar; all you are doing is trying to stoke fear by asserting a fictional connection to a long-time boogeyman of so-called 'Free World'.

The Alt-Right is a testament to the inherit decadence of the Right-wing, just as Communism is a testament to the inherit decadence of the Left-wing. In particular the Right-wing is a moral sickness; it is spiritless, materialistic, hateful. It is a cancerous tumor; a plague upon the world, just as Communism is. Were the original Fascist still alive to see this putrid monstrosity they would recoil in disgust for it represents everything wrong with the Right-wing that they tried to eradicate. I too, as a proud ideologue of Fascist Philosophy, look upon the Alt-Right with the same disgust as I do with Communism because they are the polar opposites of each other; the natural, logical extremes of their respective political spectrums.

The bizarre, illogical, ironic, and horrific admiration these Reactionaries have for Fascism and National Socialism is born out of supreme ignorance of both ideologies and their histories. They wrongly and incorrectly look at them as manifestations of the Right-wing because they have fallen in love with their aesthetic, lost faith in the free market, and find no appeal in Monarchism. So they have invented a new ideology that seeks to emulate ideologies that would have pursued their destruction because they are too blind to see the following facts:

1. The historical Futurist collaboration with Conservative groups was born out of necessity; had Futurism held more sway than Reactionary thought, they would have met the same fate as Liberals and Communists: expulsion, suppression, and extermination

2. Futurist ideologies are exactly that: Futurist. We are not Reactionary; we do not seek to return to times long past, or to glorify the ages of old, or to emulate the ancients and their ways. We seek to build a New Nation from the ashes of the Old - to create a better tomorrow; a better Future.

This conflation of Fascism and the Alt-Right is born out of the ignorance of Fascism perpetrated by biased histories by the victors of the Second World War, to which both the Alt-Right and their detractors fail to understand. The Alternative Right has no place in the Fascist State; it has no place in the Fascist Tomorrow. It is to be stamped out along with all other Right-wing and Left-wing ideologies and even those Futurist movements who fail to conform to Fascist philosophy.

I will repeat everything I have said here until it is firmly understood by all sides, and if that day never comes then I will still repeat it regardless. I will not abide by this ignorant grouping of my ideology and those of a similar strand with this degenerative movement.

And to address the direct concern voiced in the opening post: Yes, the Alt-Right's naturally stage is terrorism, the subversion of lawful authority, and violent civil unrest because - as I have already said before - it is the polar opposite of Communism; the same extreme, but on the opposite end of the political spectrum. As such, every tool of evil used by Communist 'revolutionaries' can and will be utilized by the Alternative Right's 'counterrevolutionaries'. We have already seen this in New Zealand, in San Diego, and elsewhere. It will continue until their violent, dangerous ideology is suppressed and silenced just as Communism was.



Nice post fam, but I doubt NSG cares much about it at this point about those differences.

Also how does this fit to eastern (orthodox?) christianity?
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Postby Gormwood » Mon Apr 29, 2019 2:57 pm

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Gormwood wrote:Apartheid South Africa?


So that's what it'll take, huh?

Pushing the goalpost now?
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Postby Bear Stearns » Mon Apr 29, 2019 2:57 pm

Armed republic of clowns wrote:
Skarten wrote:
I don't know if this is what you're talking about, but it was a trade. The Africans sold slaves to the europeans. I mean, what did you think that happened? That Europeans began on to hunt blacks planet of the apes style?

Might’ve been a mix of both?


Really wasn't.
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Postby Bezkoshtovnya » Mon Apr 29, 2019 2:57 pm

Armed republic of clowns wrote:
Skarten wrote:
I don't know if this is what you're talking about, but it was a trade. The Africans sold slaves to the europeans. I mean, what did you think that happened? That Europeans began on to hunt blacks planet of the apes style?

Might’ve been a mix of both?

No....inter tribal slavery was already a thing long before Europeans, and then when the Europeans arrived this continued with local leaders exchanging slaves for goods.
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Postby Armed republic of clowns » Mon Apr 29, 2019 2:58 pm

Bear Stearns wrote:
Armed republic of clowns wrote:Might’ve been a mix of both?


Really wasn't.

Ah.

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Postby Badb Catha » Mon Apr 29, 2019 2:58 pm

Nakena wrote:
Badb Catha wrote:
I grow weary of the constant, ignorant allegation that the Alternative Right is a Fascist movement. It is not in any way remotely similar to Fascism; it is not "Fascism of the 21st Century"; it is not Fascistic. The Alternative Right is the true Far-Right - a label inappropriately applied to Futurist movements such as Fascism and National Socialism. It is the natural extreme of Conservatism and Traditionalism; it is inherently Reactionary. All you do is spread misinformation when you claim they are the same or even similar; all you are doing is trying to stoke fear by asserting a fictional connection to a long-time boogeyman of so-called 'Free World'.

The Alt-Right is a testament to the inherit decadence of the Right-wing, just as Communism is a testament to the inherit decadence of the Left-wing. In particular the Right-wing is a moral sickness; it is spiritless, materialistic, hateful. It is a cancerous tumor; a plague upon the world, just as Communism is. Were the original Fascist still alive to see this putrid monstrosity they would recoil in disgust for it represents everything wrong with the Right-wing that they tried to eradicate. I too, as a proud ideologue of Fascist Philosophy, look upon the Alt-Right with the same disgust as I do with Communism because they are the polar opposites of each other; the natural, logical extremes of their respective political spectrums.

The bizarre, illogical, ironic, and horrific admiration these Reactionaries have for Fascism and National Socialism is born out of supreme ignorance of both ideologies and their histories. They wrongly and incorrectly look at them as manifestations of the Right-wing because they have fallen in love with their aesthetic, lost faith in the free market, and find no appeal in Monarchism. So they have invented a new ideology that seeks to emulate ideologies that would have pursued their destruction because they are too blind to see the following facts:

1. The historical Futurist collaboration with Conservative groups was born out of necessity; had Futurism held more sway than Reactionary thought, they would have met the same fate as Liberals and Communists: expulsion, suppression, and extermination

2. Futurist ideologies are exactly that: Futurist. We are not Reactionary; we do not seek to return to times long past, or to glorify the ages of old, or to emulate the ancients and their ways. We seek to build a New Nation from the ashes of the Old - to create a better tomorrow; a better Future.

This conflation of Fascism and the Alt-Right is born out of the ignorance of Fascism perpetrated by biased histories by the victors of the Second World War, to which both the Alt-Right and their detractors fail to understand. The Alternative Right has no place in the Fascist State; it has no place in the Fascist Tomorrow. It is to be stamped out along with all other Right-wing and Left-wing ideologies and even those Futurist movements who fail to conform to Fascist philosophy.

I will repeat everything I have said here until it is firmly understood by all sides, and if that day never comes then I will still repeat it regardless. I will not abide by this ignorant grouping of my ideology and those of a similar strand with this degenerative movement.

And to address the direct concern voiced in the opening post: Yes, the Alt-Right's naturally stage is terrorism, the subversion of lawful authority, and violent civil unrest because - as I have already said before - it is the polar opposite of Communism; the same extreme, but on the opposite end of the political spectrum. As such, every tool of evil used by Communist 'revolutionaries' can and will be utilized by the Alternative Right's 'counterrevolutionaries'. We have already seen this in New Zealand, in San Diego, and elsewhere. It will continue until their violent, dangerous ideology is suppressed and silenced just as Communism was.



Nice post fam, but I doubt NSG cares much about it at this point about those differences.

Also how does this fit to eastern (orthodox) christianity?


I am aware of the general apathy toward distinguishing fact from fiction on this board by now; it will not stop me from trying to disseminate the two all the same.

I did not mention the Orthodox Catholic Church, so I am unsure as to what you're referring to?
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Postby -MAFDET- » Mon Apr 29, 2019 2:59 pm

Kragholm Free States wrote:
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I don’t see your point. Not only were Europeans adept at colonizing other civilizations, but they were also highly proficient at murdering each other. Here’s a fantastical scenario; imagine that some non-white empire across the sea had developed maritime technology advanced enough to reach Europe, and began their own slave trade. Are the Europeans in this fantasy world at fault for having something done to them that they have committed against each other for centuries?

To place the fault for slavery on the backs of black collaborators rather than the white Europeans who orchestrated the slave trade in the first place is a way of deflecting responsibility.


If some non-white empire across the sea had developed maritime technology advanced enough to reach Europe and began their own slave trade, they would be morally wrong for doing so. If Europeans had been enslaving each other for centuries before this non-white empire arrived, and then started selling their own slaves to the non-white empire, the Europeans in this scenario would also be morally wrong.

As I said, the actions of colonists do not absolve nor even provide context for the actions of the colonised before they were colonised.


And yet, it is not black people but white people who continue to benefit from the parasitic system created by European imperialism. Once again, deflecting responsibility to black people is hand waving where the true fault lies: European empires. Nobody denies that it occurred, but the scheme has only ever benefited white Europeans and Americans.
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