China's list of 48 extremist tendencies

[Petrolheadia]

Wait what???

It is a fact that I have nothing but the deepest loathing for authoritarians, the shit they pull, the people they leave for dead, the societies they wreck, the mentalities they twist into acquiescence, the intelligences they silence, just so their narrow vision of peace and order at the cost of everything else is put in place...

...yes.

Because we all know that disorder is helpful to societies...

[Sanctum and Ultima]

what the heck? It's saddening and maddening that the top 3 nations by population are anti-Muslim to their core.

They're also developing well, while Islamic countries are often plagued by relicgious violence.

Islam is not a force for the good.

Tell that to the people killed by the Cultural Revolution, to the people living in the Indian slums and to the people who died in the Trail of Tears.
Muslims didn't do a genocide during their conquest of Mecca from the Quraish tribe. True story. If you guys did that, probably you'd genocide them.

[Nyoronet]

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[Purpelia]

Okay but hear me out; Why would they write that list in english?

For the same reason why it would be published in a western newspaper. Seriously, this is propaganda at its finest.

[Petrolheadia]

They're also developing well, while Islamic countries are often plagued by relicgious violence.

Islam is not a force for the good.

Tell that to the people killed by the Cultural Revolution, to the people living in the Indian slums and to the people who died in the Trail of Tears.
Muslims didn't do a genocide during their conquest of Mecca from the Quraish tribe. True story. If you guys did that, probably you'd genocide them.

Could anybody remind me when these events happened, and if they are supported by the state?

Also, if we're talking about the athrocities, let me repeat the 9th and the 19th letter of the English alphabet twice.

[Western Vale Confederacy]

At least with that you can choose not to eat or go frolicking. Here, not doing either marks you as an outcast, fit only for liquidation.

How people get to want this on others, let alone themselves... it's too terrifying to contemplate at length.

Those comfortable with oppression like this rarely imagine it's their face under the boot.

In the end, I think this is going to backfire on China. Oppressing people this hard is a bad idea, especially Muslims in the era of global Jihadism. I think an ISIS style insurgency of Uyghur and foreign Muslims, possibly with the support of foreign states, is a very likely result of the policies in Xinjiang.

*sips coffee*

Aaa, the "Authoritarianism = Ultra-Nazis" meme, such a classic, yet so...pathetic.

[Astoriya]

They're also developing well, while Islamic countries are often plagued by religious violence.

Islam is not a force for the good.

[citation needed]

For ones not plagued by religious violence, look no further than Oman, Malaysia, Brunei, the Maldives, Comoros, and... that's as far as I can remember.

what the heck? It's saddening and maddening that the top 3 nations by population are anti-Muslim to their core.

I'm not too sure whether India & America are "anti-Muslim to their core".

[Sanctum and Ultima]

Tell that to the people killed by the Cultural Revolution, to the people living in the Indian slums and to the people who died in the Trail of Tears.
Muslims didn't do a genocide during their conquest of Mecca from the Quraish tribe. True story. If you guys did that, probably you'd genocide them.

Could anybody remind me when these events happened, and if they are supported by the state?

Also, if we're talking about the athrocities, let me repeat the 9th and the 19th letter of the English alphabet twice.

The conquest of Mecca was done by Prophet Muhammad (PBUH) and ISIS? You think that one wack organization universally hated by literally everyone, even Muslims, does represent Islam? Blyat please, your atrocious spelling just screams "underage". Don't worry son, you'll grow out of it.

[Scomagia]

The only other article where this story is found.

As the story seems to be relatively thin on the ice, it raises some more questions...

A lot of the items on the list, including beards, are mentioned here, too: https://usun.state.gov/remarks/8698

[The Grims]

They're also developing well, while Islamic countries are often plagued by relicgious violence.

Islam is not a force for the good.

Tell that to the people killed by the Cultural Revolution, to the people living in the Indian slums and to the people who died in the Trail of Tears.
Muslims didn't do a genocide during their conquest of Mecca from the Quraish tribe. True story. If you guys did that, probably you'd genocide them.

So where are the Meccans now ?

[Duhon]

It is a fact that I have nothing but the deepest loathing for authoritarians, the shit they pull, the people they leave for dead, the societies they wreck, the mentalities they twist into acquiescence, the intelligences they silence, just so their narrow vision of peace and order at the cost of everything else is put in place...

...yes.

Because we all know that disorder is helpful to societies...

Had the Chinese leadership not seen the slightest titter of Uyghur protest (or, hell, Uyghur difference) as a sign of impending rebellion, and instead worked to pacify the populace through means other than those it uaes now, Xinjiang's ethnics (or Tibet's ethnics for that matter) would be a lot more reconciled with Chinese rule, and there would be no need to spens what must be billions in an effort to neutralize Xinjiang as a breakaway threat.

[Sanctum and Ultima]

Tell that to the people killed by the Cultural Revolution, to the people living in the Indian slums and to the people who died in the Trail of Tears.
Muslims didn't do a genocide during their conquest of Mecca from the Quraish tribe. True story. If you guys did that, probably you'd genocide them.

So where are the Meccans now ?

Those ancient Meccans? Converted to Islam

[GrarG]

These rules exist for one purpose alone; to justify and facilitate the imprisonment and ultimately the deprogramming of the Muhammadans within the restive Xinjiang region. This grand experiment that the Chinese government has embarked on is a far more humane solution than the one proposed by Western far-right groups, which include either the deportation or outright extermination of Muhammadans with their societies.

As such we non-Muhammadans should watch with a purely objective eye to see if the result of the policy justifies the obvious and troubling human rights violations and the not inconsiderable financial costs. In the long run, removing Islam from their society may well be the best thing for the Uyghur people, though the key question remains whether or not it is even possible.

Because this cause is just and good, not only for the stability and peace of the Chinese state, but also for the souls of the Muhammadans themselves, then the list itself is also a good thing. That said, the use of such lists is usually expanded within totalitarian regimes to include less 'spiritually' but more 'politically' difficult groups so, finger's crossed that doesn't happen soon.

[Petrolheadia]

So where are the Meccans now ?

Those ancient Meccans? Converted to Islam

So I guess it's OK to deislamize the Chinese.

[Duhon]

At least with that you can choose not to eat or go frolicking. Here, not doing either marks you as an outcast, fit only for liquidation.

How people get to want this on others, let alone themselves... it's too terrifying to contemplate at length.

Those comfortable with oppression like this rarely imagine it's their face under the boot.

In the end, I think this is going to backfire on China. Oppressing people this hard is a bad idea, especially Muslims in the era of global Jihadism. I think an ISIS style insurgency of Uyghur and foreign Muslims, possibly with the support of foreign states, is a very likely result of the policies in Xinjiang.

Given how closely monitored the typical Uyghur is, I doubt an insurgency is going to happen now, let alone one instigated by -- god forbid -- fucking ISIS.

[Sanctum and Ultima]

Those ancient Meccans? Converted to Islam

So I guess it's OK to deislamize the Chinese.

Through no coercion, son. Also, study for your exam on addition and subtraction before messing around in NSG!

[Petrolheadia]

Could anybody remind me when these events happened, and if they are supported by the state?

Also, if we're talking about the athrocities, let me repeat the 9th and the 19th letter of the English alphabet twice.

The conquest of Mecca was done by Prophet Muhammad (PBUH) and ISIS? You think that one wack organization universally hated by literally everyone, even Muslims, does represent Islam? Blyat please, your atrocious spelling just screams "underage". Don't worry son, you'll grow out of it.

And I guess Americans love the Trail of Tears, Indians love slums and the Chinese like hardcore Maoism?

What's wrong with my spelling.

[Skyhooked]

Many of those tendencies fit me. (Not all, cuz I ain't islamic sort. Allah ain't my god.) Besides, I am sorta anarchist, so hush, hush, hush chinese maoist communists, here comes the boogeyman!

Now, seriously, totalitarian way has many risks. Condemnation, possible justified rebellions, and wasting lots of valuable resources on enforing many rules. Corruption is inevitable too. Only those caught will be killed. They should have done that more... peacefully? With bread and circuses, filled with propaganda.

[Sanctum and Ultima]

Many of those tendencies fit me. (Not all, cuz I ain't islamic sort. Allah ain't my god.) Besides, I am sorta anarchist, so hush, hush, hush chinese maoist communists, here comes the boogeyman!

Fun Fact: The "eating before breakfast" thing was referencing to Muslims eating before dawn before fasting.

[Duhon]

Many of those tendencies fit me. (Not all, cuz I ain't islamic sort. Allah ain't my god.) Besides, I am sorta anarchist, so hush, hush, hush chinese maoist communists, here comes the boogeyman!

Now, seriously, totalitarian way has many risks. Condemnation, possible justified rebellions, and wasting lots of valuable resources on enforing many rules. Corruption is inevitable too. Only those caught will be killed. They should have done that more... peacefully? With bread and circuses, filled with propaganda.

This is peaceful, mind. A life-lived-in-graveyard peaceful, but still.

[Mystic Warriors]

Some are beyond moronic and are fear based, a few I get.

[Astoriya]

Some are beyond moronic and are fear based, a few I get.

Like what, if I may ask ?

[Mystic Warriors]

Some are beyond moronic and are fear based, a few I get.

Like what, if I may ask ?

The ones about religion, I understand the fear. Just not compatible.

[An Alan Smithee Nation]

If only we in the West had done more to tackle the welding menace.

[Purpelia]

I don't really see why people are seriously thinking an Islamic insurgency is going to take root in China. It's not like China lacks the means or will to just exterminate any such movement to the last fighter, supporter, relative, ideological ally, student that think's they are not bad but just misunderstood, baby berthed by such people and their pets. Something the west could frankly stand to learn from.