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Novus America
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Postby Novus America » Thu May 30, 2019 8:23 am

LiberNovusAmericae wrote:
Hammer Britannia wrote:Why do Tankies still exist again?

Actually, I understand why Tankies Exist. I just wonder why they still hide under the banner of Liberation when they're much worse than the Capitalist they're fighting.

Some people simply want power, and they want to cloak their selfish desires behind a cloak of "good" intentions.


"The Party seeks power entirely for its own sake. We are not interested in the good of others; we are interested solely in power. Not wealth or luxury or long life or happiness: only power, pure power. What pure power means you will understand presently. We are different from all the oligarchies of the past, in that we know what we are doing. All the others, even those who resembled ourselves, were- cowards and hypocrites. The German Nazis and the Russian Communists came very close to us in their methods, but they never had the courage to recognize their own motives. They pretended, perhaps they even believed, that they had seized power unwillingly and for a limited time, and that just round the corner there lay a paradise where human beings would be free and equal. We are not like that. We know that no one ever seizes power with the intention of relinquishing it. Power is not a means, it is an end. One does not establish a dictatorship in order to safeguard a revolution; one makes the revolution in order to establish the dictatorship. The object of persecution is persecution. The object of torture is torture. The object of power is power. Now do you begin to understand me?"
George Orwell, 1984
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Zombie Ike/Teddy Roosevelt 2020.

Novus America represents my vision of an awesome Atompunk near future United States of America expanded to the entire North American continent, Guyana and the Philippines. The population would be around 700 million.
Think something like prewar Fallout, minus the bad stuff.

Politically I am an independent. I support what is good for the country, which means I cannot support either party.

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Nyasira
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Founded: May 16, 2019
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Postby Nyasira » Thu May 30, 2019 10:34 am

There is insufficient evidence to suggest that there are NK concentration camps. I'm simply sceptical of the news that paints an enemy of the West as some hellhole. You know, the same news that reports that everyone in the DPRK has to have the same haircut as Kim Jong-Un or the same news that accused the DPRK of saying they found unicorns when they never said that. Excuse me if I'm not blindly believing the first thing told to me.

Also, a gulag isn't a 'concentration camp'. It's a prison.

Also, if you made that silly insensitive comment you made earlier to Native Americans whose ancestors were killed, and who still face discrimination today, I'm relatively sure they wouldn't appreciate it.
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LiberNovusAmericae
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Postby LiberNovusAmericae » Thu May 30, 2019 2:55 pm

Nyasira wrote:There is insufficient evidence to suggest that there are NK concentration camps. I'm simply sceptical of the news that paints an enemy of the West as some hellhole. You know, the same news that reports that everyone in the DPRK has to have the same haircut as Kim Jong-Un or the same news that accused the DPRK of saying they found unicorns when they never said that. Excuse me if I'm not blindly believing the first thing told to me.

Also, a gulag isn't a 'concentration camp'. It's a prison.

Also, if you made that silly insensitive comment you made earlier to Native Americans whose ancestors were killed, and who still face discrimination today, I'm relatively sure they wouldn't appreciate it.

With Nazi style horrors, those gulags are concentration camps. I don't care to convince you of this because if I were to show you evidence, you'd still deny. You are a denier in the same manor of a Nazi denying the holocaust.

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Morvan
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Postby Morvan » Thu May 30, 2019 3:35 pm

LiberNovusAmericae wrote:With Nazi style horrors, those gulags are concentration camps. I don't care to convince you of this because if I were to show you evidence, you'd still deny. You are a denier in the same manor of a Nazi denying the holocaust.


The main source of "horror" stories from the Gulags comes from one man, Solzhenitsyn, whose own wife called his work "camp folklore". When the Gulags were closed, 3 Million people left. And this wasn't the first time people were released if you were sick, elderly, or incapable of working, you were set free. In the Nazi Death camps, if you were sick, you were killed, elderly, killed, incapable of working, killed. No one was released from the Death camps. So if you want to go and disrespect every single victim of the Nazis by comparing their suffering to prison, well just remember that there's a distinct difference between those who started the Holocaust and those who ended it.
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Soviet Tankistan
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Postby Soviet Tankistan » Fri May 31, 2019 8:25 pm

Nyasira wrote:There is insufficient evidence to suggest that there are NK concentration camps. I'm simply sceptical of the news that paints an enemy of the West as some hellhole. You know, the same news that reports that everyone in the DPRK has to have the same haircut as Kim Jong-Un or the same news that accused the DPRK of saying they found unicorns when they never said that. Excuse me if I'm not blindly believing the first thing told to me.

Actually, there are around 15 haircuts to choose from. Although, you and your entire family could get sent to concentration camps. I don't think they use the death penalty at that stage. I would still reccomend that you don't even use sarcasm against their idiot leader if you go there, assuming you aren't a North Korean that somehow has this degree of freedom.
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Nyasira
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Postby Nyasira » Sun Jun 02, 2019 3:53 am

Soviet Tankistan wrote:
Nyasira wrote:There is insufficient evidence to suggest that there are NK concentration camps. I'm simply sceptical of the news that paints an enemy of the West as some hellhole. You know, the same news that reports that everyone in the DPRK has to have the same haircut as Kim Jong-Un or the same news that accused the DPRK of saying they found unicorns when they never said that. Excuse me if I'm not blindly believing the first thing told to me.

Actually, there are around 15 haircuts to choose from. Although, you and your entire family could get sent to concentration camps. I don't think they use the death penalty at that stage. I would still reccomend that you don't even use sarcasm against their idiot leader if you go there, assuming you aren't a North Korean that somehow has this degree of freedom.


If you sincerely believe this tripe then you are either trolling or extremely gullible. Either way there is no point continuing this conversation with you.
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The Xenopolis Confederation
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Postby The Xenopolis Confederation » Sun Jun 02, 2019 4:27 am

Nyasira wrote:
Soviet Tankistan wrote:Actually, there are around 15 haircuts to choose from. Although, you and your entire family could get sent to concentration camps. I don't think they use the death penalty at that stage. I would still reccomend that you don't even use sarcasm against their idiot leader if you go there, assuming you aren't a North Korean that somehow has this degree of freedom.


If you sincerely believe this tripe then you are either trolling or extremely gullible. Either way there is no point continuing this conversation with you.

Quick question about your sig; how can you be a pro-LGBT anarchist and at the same time be MLM and pro-Jingping. And also, how can you be a Maoist and a Jingpingist?
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Tetradimensional Overworld
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Postby Tetradimensional Overworld » Sun Jun 02, 2019 4:29 am

Hammer Britannia wrote:Why do Tankies still exist again?

Actually, I understand why Tankies Exist. I just wonder why they still hide under the banner of Liberation when they're much worse than the Capitalist they're fighting.

The same reason as why laissez-faire capitalists exists.
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Duhon
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Founded: Nov 21, 2018
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Postby Duhon » Sun Jun 02, 2019 4:29 am

The Xenopolis Confederation wrote:
Nyasira wrote:
If you sincerely believe this tripe then you are either trolling or extremely gullible. Either way there is no point continuing this conversation with you.

Quick question about your sig; how can you be a pro-LGBT anarchist and at the same time be MLM and pro-Jingping. And also, how can you be a Maoist and a Jingpingist?


Both worshipped themselves, encouraged others to worship them, and brooked no contradiction for long?

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Nyasira
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Postby Nyasira » Sun Jun 02, 2019 11:01 am

The Xenopolis Confederation wrote:
Nyasira wrote:
If you sincerely believe this tripe then you are either trolling or extremely gullible. Either way there is no point continuing this conversation with you.

Quick question about your sig; how can you be a pro-LGBT anarchist and at the same time be MLM and pro-Jingping. And also, how can you be a Maoist and a Jingpingist?


1) Being pro-[insert noun here] doesn't mean supporting every single thing they do. For example, I support libertarian socialists and Marxist Leninists, as you can clearly see in my signature.

2) I am not strictly an MLM; I support those who are MLMs though.

3) I don't get how I can't support LGBT rights whilst approving of Jinping. This has come up numerous times now. Has Xi Jinping committed some kind of anti-LGBT genocide in the past few weeks or something that I haven't heard of?

4) You can very much be a Marxist-Leninist-Maoist, and be pro-LGBT rights. Filipino Maoists are conducting the first same-sex marriages in the Philippines, for example. There is nothing inherent to MLM that conflicts with LGBT rights.
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Nova Cyberia
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Postby Nova Cyberia » Sun Jun 02, 2019 11:15 am

Hammer Britannia wrote:Why do Tankies still exist again?

Actually, I understand why Tankies Exist. I just wonder why they still hide under the banner of Liberation when they're much worse than the Capitalist they're fighting.

The same reason Nazis still exist. Shitty ideologies will never die.
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